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Thanksgiving for the (actual) "crazy Ron Paul people"

I frequently read comments on the Daily Paul regarding the apparent infiltration of the Liberty Movement and DP by various fringe elements, the so-called "new age" folks. Being an honest and informed citizen, I know how it feels to be part of the fringe, so please read no implied judgment in the use of the word "fringe."

Most readers need no further explanation to conjure up the image of the fringe people under consideration. They are the folks who believe in planet Niburu (with respect to Mr. Nystrom's rules, I will not check the spelling of the planet's name). Some of them believe that lizard people walk among us (I have to admit that when I see Ed Schultz on MSNBC or Bill O’Reilly on Fox News, I find myself considering the plausibility of their theory; have you ever really looked good and hard into the eyes of those guys?).

Other members of that fringe have ideas about “bigger picture” changes afoot, or they spend time trying to connect the dots asking “what does it all mean?” like caricatures of stoners. Some of them will probably comment that certain mind-altering substances help human beings to perceive the world in a way that our mind typically does not permit (by the way, I would agree, since that is what it means to take a “mind-altering” substance). They also populate the ranks of the former and current hippies, the anarchists and the everyday libertarians who believe that people must and will change for the better. Admittedly, I align myself philosophically with this fringe in the sense that I believe any chance of the Liberty Movement succeeding requires a sea change in the attitudes and behavior of people: humanity needs a moral compass, and this is not a change that can be effected through the political process.

So why are there so many of these "new agers" attaching themselves to the Liberty Movement? Why are there so many folks who wake up to liberty and eventually move to the new age fringe? Like many of you, I ended up here because I naturally pursue truth. I try to embrace truth when it challenges my previous beliefs, even beliefs long held. I try to seek truth in the shadows when those with the spotlight would divert my eyes to falsehoods. I don’t accept authority that is founded on anything other than truth. I rebelled against teachers when I thought they were wrong, nuns when I thought they misunderstood the true message of their religion and occasionally peer pressure when I thought my peers wrong.

For anyone else out there like me whose journey has taken them here, we have seen the manner in which institutional structures have pulled the proverbial wool over our eyes for a lifetime. Worse, we see the desperation with which many of our friends try to avoid removing the wool from their eyes (perhaps because deep in the core of their subconscious they fear the changes that come from accepting the truth).

In an apparent paradox for someone like me who believes in the pursuit of objective truth whenever possible, I have come to the conclusion that virtually anything is possible. Throughout history, daring to go out on a limb for the truth has been a perilous endeavor. The non-fringe did not take kindly to the fringe that thought that the world was round, that all humans are endowed with rights, that doctors should wash their hands between medical procedures, that sleep was something other than the process of returning blood from the feet to the brain (these last two are actually true, believe it or not; perhaps we should start a thread of incredibly irrational ideas that institutions and societies clung to at the peril of those who challenged the ideas).

After discovering that the foundation of my American experience is a steaming pile of lies and deceit, how can I accept that anything is outside the realm of possibility just because it is not a widely accepted theory? Planet X colliding with earth? I hope not. Lizard people among us? Probably not ready to accept it, but that is different than ruling it out. Age of Aquarius ringing in a change for the better in all of humanity? I could live with that (and I could use some of what you’re smoking, provided that there are no agents of former admitted drug using presidents watching!).

So, from one man to all of the fringe types, thank you for your thoughts and your involvement. You have enriched my life over the past year. Many call you crazy. Some of you probably are crazy, but so are most geniuses who live with the unfortunate burden of being ahead of their time.

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Awesome comment.
I am inspired by the phenomenon of how truth seeking is somewhat cross discipline ( meaning that when one seeks it honestly it will lead to areas outside of the initial inquiry ).

For me and discovering the Ron Paul movement it worked somewhat in the reverse direction. I think it all began with a dissatisfaction with the values and life choices that were on offer by mainstream society, progressed through a fierce desire to know myself ( or rather to know what it is that I DO want ), and reached a place where I now see truth and wisdom as open mindedness ( or the lack of judgement ).

Once on the path you will inevitably go further and further down the rabbit hole, so finding out about Ron Paul was only natural.

Freedom is a byproduct of acceptance - judge not.

Your comment is equally awesome.

"truth-seeking is somewhat cross discipline"....amazingly on point!

I started off on a spiritual quest. NEVER intended to get into politics, or economics, or history...and definitely not "conspiracy"...but it was just a natural progression to examine each, as they are all interrelated. The education I've gotten through my own exploration should have earned me 3-4 additional degrees with the amount of time and attention I've put into it. Wouldn't have wanted those pieces of paper anyway...the knowledge, the wisdom, the awakening to the lies, all obtained through my own initiative to seek truth, is the ultimate reward. Having an 'inquisitive mind' seems to be a common attribute among RP supporters.
I honor that trait.

So, Here's to the Crazy Ones!! God love you all!


"...one of the crazies?" How about King Crazy? lol!

The rest of us nut cases are merely jesters in your delightful court!
Long live the King!
May you and yours be richly blessed, Nystrom!

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

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Ha ha - thanks fishy

You too.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

Same to you, Michael

Thank you for your spark that created and fostered this community, of which I am so grateful to be a part. I just wish I had found you all sooner! My moral compass and philosophy were missing some key ingredients that I found here in links, original thoughts, comment sections, signature blocks, etc. It’s nice to reflect on the pivotal year that is passing while looking forward to all the learning and progress we will make here next year…

…and a bump for the book that has leapfrogged my queue and is next in line after Joel Salatin!

Unlearning and self-teaching since 2008. Thanks, Dr. Paul!

I've had a thought that might

I've had a thought that might sound out there but certainly not to this crew. First off, I'm from the sunny south & my mother was big into Civil War history. She was the typical southerner who loved to "fight the war" philosophically (from a southerners perspective) even though it's been 100 years later. Well, I was thinking that if southerners still fuss about it 100 years afterwards, could not Great Britain be pretty sour about losing the Revolutionary War? I'm sure they were. We also had the War of 1812 against the British. And it was only 101 years later that the Federal Reserve was started. I haven't read "Creature from Jekyll Island" yet and not sure how much British influence was in that room but could it be possible that at the time, Britain knew they couldn't win with their military but opted to do it financially? I know it has evolved into something much bigger but it's just a thought. I think we're the rag tags that try to think of other possibilities just for fun. Really enjoyed your article!


That book is a must read, by the way. I have read several Fed books. Some are outright conspiracy books, while others focus on the history of destruction wrought by central bankers (I would put Secrets of the Temple by William Greider in this latter category). Creature balances the two very nicely. Loaded with factual information and history, but not fearing to be bold enough to ask the questions that should be asked in light of the facts.

The British play a major role throughout the narrative posited in Creature, even appearing in the backstory of the Morgans and Nathan Mayer Rothschild, though I suppose that should not be a surprise given London's status as a world financial center (or centre, for our British friends). Interesting idea, though. Investigate!

Unlearning and self-teaching since 2008. Thanks, Dr. Paul!

Happy Thanksgiving

That's it. I'm doing everything over in fringe now.

Thank you, jg

I admit I'm way out on the fringe but wouldn't couldn't be anywhere else. A Greater Awareness to some is scary only because it makes them uncomfortable where they are. One of my all time favorite quotes because I see so many of us in it:

"Here's To The Crazy Ones. The misfits. The rebels. The trouble-makers. The round pegs in the holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules, and they have no respect for the status-quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify, or vilify them.
About the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius.
Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world - are the ones who DO !" ~ attributed to Apple Computers ~

Great quote

The more I think about it, the more value I see in the fringes of our fringe. In fact, a pretty good sign that a movement like this has been infiltrated or hi-jacked will be the disappearance/alienation of the fringes OR the dominance of one particular fringe. This is what we witnessed with the TEA Party, which the Koch brothers and Fox News were quick to take over, causing the organized left (MSNBC) to paint them a certain way. OWS had some pretty similar origins (passing through the area, I used to see numerous Ron Paul signs), until the right needed to paint them as dirty, lazy, doped up college kids in Che shirts rallying against Central Banking in favor of Central Planning. There is some truth to that characterization, but it caused us all to focus on the wrong aspects of the movement.

Unlearning and self-teaching since 2008. Thanks, Dr. Paul!

Re:Thanksgiving for the (actual) "crazy Ron Paul people"

Thank you so much for that, a great and witty article.

I would like to post it on another forum with full credit given to the author but wont do so without expressed permission.

Thanks again, Naton



Glad you enjoyed. Please use as you will. Happy Thanksgiving.

Unlearning and self-teaching since 2008. Thanks, Dr. Paul!

Hear my prayer, O LORD, and give ear unto my cry; hold not thy..

Hear my prayer, O LORD, and give ear unto my cry; hold not thy peace at my tears: for I am a stranger with thee, and a sojourner, as all my fathers were.

As for the mind altering

As for the mind altering chemicals, here's one of my favorite poems, author unknown.

To fathom hell
or soar angelic
take a pinch
of psychedelic

I know who wrote that!

Dr. Walter Bishop from Fringe...

[ha, ha...it just fits him so well...anybody else watch Fringe?]

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Sorry -

Accidentally posted new comment instead of responding to fishyculture.

Unlearning and self-teaching since 2008. Thanks, Dr. Paul!

Happy Thanksgiving OP.

Anything is possible, and one of my favorite answers to questions I don't know is, "I don't know". There was a time that I thought I knew everything, but that was long ago and much less exciting:)

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

Plato says Divine Madness/Craziness is the Best Way of Life

Here are few quotes from one of the most beautiful texts of human history, that is, Plato's Phaedrus. This text is all about madness, or one could say craziness, in its positive sense. I recommend it for everybody to read.

In this text, Socrates for example says about madness:
"there are two kinds of madness, one arising from human diseases, and the other from a divine release from the customary habits." (265a)

"in reality the greatest of blessings come to us through madness, when it is sent as a gift of the gods." (244a)

"And we made four divisions of the divine madness, ascribing them to four gods, saying that prophecy was inspired by Apollo, the mystic madness by Dionysus, the poetic by the Muses, and the madness of love, inspired by Aphrodite and Eros, we said was the best." (265b)

For example, "he who without the divine madness comes to the doors of the Muses, confident that he will be a good poet by art, meets with no success, and the poetry of the sane man vanishes into nothingness before that of the inspired madmen." (245a)

According to Plato philosophy as the love of wisdom is important dimension of this madness of love. In Symposium, Plato says through Socrates of love [Eros] is "a famous hunter, always weaving some stratagem; desirous and competent of wisdom [philosophy], throughout life ensuing the truth; a master of jugglery, witchcraft, and artful speech." (203d-e)

Link to Plato's Phaedrus: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%...

"Air is the very substance of our freedom, the substance of superhuman joy....aerial joy is freedom."--Gaston Bachelard--

I tip..

my tin-foil hat to you.

"Of course I'm crazy .... "

" .... but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."
- R. A. Wilson

You nearly made me cry.

About 15 years ago, I was put on an antidepressant, and it gave me suicidal thoughts. Having been trained in detecting drug reactions, I KNEW it was the drug. But no one believed me. I was "diagnosed" with increasingly scary-sounding conditions the more I insisted it was a drug reaction. I took myself off them too rapidly and had a complete psychotic breakdown. To the "professionals" this was more evidence of my insanity.
It took about 5 years for the "black box "warning stuff to start - now every bottle of SSRIs says right on it that it may cause suicidal thoughts. Guess what? I am still "crazy." Since it was NOT on the bottle of pills I took, it did NOT happen to me. I have been told this is not quite so many words by a PhD in psychology (or psychiatry, I don't even try to keep them straight.) 6 of 7 siblings also wrote me out of their life for not taking my pills like the doctors told me. They were instructed NOT to be supportive of my (as I suffered suicidal thoughts) because that was "enabling" me.
Years roll along... They have now admitted that adults are just as at risk as teenagers - did you ever see that study? It went unmentioned in the media. The warnings now include that the drugs cause psychosis if stopped too quickly. But people who "love" me still will not speak to me, I am just crazy. It has been a few good years now, I seem to (finally!) be free of those thoughts - it is like living with the worst evil stepmother ever, right in your brain. I no longer get the adrenaline dump with the shaking and crying, I finally have restored some control over my "fight or flight" response. It has been a helluva a long battle.
Now I promote aquaponics and work on my farm. None of my family even knows, they wrote me off as crazy and I do not expect to ever hear from them again. They never once even called my husband to offer him support.
Ron Paul had a huge effect on my recovery. Learning the big truths made my little life make a lot more sense. So I tried to share the love r3volution message, and they all wrote off everything I said as mere psychosis. I told them to buy silver at anything under $20. CRAZY! I told them to look into various well documented scandals, such as the Franklin scandal. Can't bother to check, if I say it, it is crazy. I went to the RNC as a delegate - if anyone was proud of my efforts, they never bothered to tell me so. That would have required admitting that I was somehow sane enough to function and that does not fit their "crazy" motif.
I lost my daughter to a former Air Force man. I did not gain a son in law, I lost a daughter and she gained a man who thinks it is fun to play with his son's penis. No, no, it is OK. My objections were merely proof of my insanity. I have a son who wrote me a 5 page letter declaring he will never forgive me for the screaming and yelling (while I was having a psychotic drug reaction.) I am crying now... I will spend this Thanksgiving with my husband. I used to host dinners for nearly 30 people. Rather than giving thanks that their mother survived the poisoning, they will be giving thanks that I am not at their table.
Your "thank you" is the only one I will get, probably for the rest of my life.
And I actually clicked this thread prepared to ask you to be careful with the word "crazy."
Now then, lets laugh. About those shape shifting lizard people. At the RNC, our State Chairman came rushing over to Mark and I after Sarah Palin was "revealed" as the VP. (You just can't call that an announcement, it was a reveal.) His hands were literally circling around, like Scrooge. His beady little eyes were nearly glowing. And when he said "SSSSoooo, how do you like SSSSSatah?" I think that was a forked tongue that he was liking his lips with.... LOL!!! Seriously, I don't really believe that stuff either, but I, like you, give anything a 5% chance. And after watching Norm the Worm in action, I'll give the lizard thing 6%.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

ecorob's picture

all i know is that...

i've had you as a "friend" here for about 2 or 3 years

because of that your posts are listed in my private account so I never miss anything you say

i have respected your opinion for a VERY long time

Happy Thanksgiving, fishy...you will always have a seat at my table

God Bless you.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

ecorob, let me try to thank you for that.

What I tell myself is that my Creator put me through all this and kept me alive for some reason, and the only reason I can seem to get out of it is so that I may continue to speak truth. The only prayer I say regularly is "May I be a flute with which that the breath of the Divine may make music." To know that you can hear the music in spite of a terribly warped flute... I can't find the words.
May God bless you and yours, and if the day comes that I might sit at your table it will be considered a blessing from God.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

That is heart-breaking to hear

I know how therapeutic it can be to exchange thoughts and ideas with the folks on this site and the real life DP-ers that I have met. My friends and family merely think I am too much of a preacher, and I only get the occasional eye-roll when I ask if any of them think, for example, that Superstorm Sandy was partially or wholly engineered. I can't imagine how tough it must be to be right at the cost of losing your family. Most people would just say to "put politics aside," keep your thoughts to yourself and try to be more acceptable to them. I would never begrudge a person that approach, but I completely understand how difficult - if not impossible - it would be to stifle the truth for the sake of fitting in.

It really is a very sad thing to hear. That said, your story makes me want to smile, too. If you were not a strong person, if you didn't have such conviction, if you didn't care about truth, you probably never would have kicked the poison they gave you. I hope everyone else is as inspired as I am by people like you who persevere despite losing so much for the crime of knowing. It is refreshing to see that kind of strength in a human... rare thing these days.

Thanks to you, and a wonderful Thanksgiving to you and your husband from one member of your "extended" family!

Unlearning and self-teaching since 2008. Thanks, Dr. Paul!

Thank you, and JackieK and omaleta.

It has been a long road, and not an easy one, but I am where my Creator put me, so I assume there is some reason for all this. I feel like I am "quested" with getting the truth out about the SSRIs - most people who went through what I went through are no longer alive to tell their story, so maybe what I feel is a variant of "survivor's guilt" but I feel driven to warn people about that poison. It becomes a bit much for me at times, so the Creator turned me on to aquaponics, which gives me a very positive project to share, too. Something about closing doors and opening windows...
For what it is worth, I did try to put politics aside with my family, but they had already cut off contact with me and never noticed.
Started my day today with a bundle of cyber-support- you guys are awesome. Thank you, and may your holidays be blessed with love and laughter!

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

Oh fishy!

I'm so sorry you went through all that! I want to thank you too for all you do for freedom. I am a huge believer that anti depressants are terrible and like you, I had to find out the hard way also. Bless you, and have a wonderful Thanksgiving. I'm so happy that you have a supportive husband by your side, in sickness and in health. That's a huge blessing for you to count this year:)

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

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Have a wonderful Thanksgiving fishyculture!

You sound perfectly healthy to me.

If you see something, say something, the government is listening.
Silence isn't golden, it's yellow.

I'm sorry for what you went

I'm sorry for what you went through. I personally think the drugs of psychiatry can be much more harmful than helpful and that it's an evil industry on the whole.

I just wanted to say, more and more I find the only things worth focusing on are solutions, not problems. When we have solutions to problems, no one will think we are crazy anymore. Aquaponics, farming, suburban permaculture (that's my thing), etc., are solutions. Don't participate in what you see as evil, but more importantly, build what is good. It will affect more than just you eventually. One of the best things is to try to make problems into solutions. A problem such as waste, can be turned into a needed input for something else. If we turn all our problems into solutions, they won't matter any more.

Having a supportive spouse is something I am thankful for. Happy thanksgiving.