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Marco Rubio Is Not Sure How Old the Earth Is

I saw this link at the web site reporting on the tampon extracting nazi police story...

http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/2012/11/marco_rubio_i...

"In the Q&A, Rubio was asked how old he thinks the Earth is. His answer: "I'm not a scientist, man."
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"Turns out Rubes isn't a scientist. He's just a deep thinker, man. Also, he's a Pandering McPanderpants. "

Ahhh... Pandering McPanderpants... Rubio, say it ain't so!

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What difference does this

What difference does this issue make when its not something that's dealt with at the federal level? It's an issue for local school boards to deal with. There's plenty of things to criticize Rubio on, but his own personal religious beliefs have nothing to do with his job as Senator.

not at federal level?

Last time I checked, there was a federal Dept of Education. it would suck -- to me anyway -- if somebody like Rubio had the power to influence the DOE to force states to teach creationism/young earth in science class, else lose funding for the state.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

pandering to the red states

will cost the party in 2014 and beyond. Funny thing is the GOP thinks Rubio will attract the "Latino" vote. They are so simple that they don't recognize that most Latinos are Mexican and Puerto Rican and will NOT be interested in voting for a Cuban. All "Latinos" are not the same. Cubans are not Mexicans, but how would a bunch of old white cloistered fossils figure that out.

You've just insulted...

fossils.

But I agree.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

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Non-Perishable Food for Thoughts ?

"I know one thing, that I know nothing."

-- Socrates (per Plato's account)

"Faith indeed tells what the senses do not tell, but not the contrary of what they see. It is above them and not contrary to them."

-- Pascal

"Quantum mechanics is certainly imposing. But an inner voice tells me that it is not yet the real thing. The theory says a lot, but does not really bring us any closer to the secret of the "old one". I, at any rate, am convinced that He does not throw dice."

-- Einstein in letter to Max Born (4 December 1926)

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Religion and science do share...

Religion and science do share some facts but any answer can only be a biased guess.

RickStone

I dunno. The process is

I dunno. The process is entirely different. If an experiment is not repeatable or data doesn't support a hypothesis, the idea must be scrapped or modified. Further, a good theory in science must be able to make accurate predictions. Religion does not work this way. Information is taken up only which supports the dogma. Information to the contrary will be ignored or demonized. Their hypotheses are perpetually immovable, until the dogma becomes socially untenable and embarrassing, then the leaders will all of the sudden have a epiphany, spoken to them by god.

So, the process works exactly the opposite in science and religion. Further, science usually seeks to prove things through testing. Religion deals with something it's participants are all to happy to have unprovable. Religion seeks little new information except that which was laid out 2000 years ago. In the mean time, it interferes with inquiry when it feels threatened,

You asked me "What if"

Rp you asked me what if the Bible isn't true etc.

Here is what I say to that:

What if?
Many throughout the ages have had that in their mind and perished in their sins.
What about you rp?
Don't fall for the lie that there is no God.
Even without the vast evidence of the Bible and what is written therein, there is evidence everywhere of a Creator!

Look at some simple things such as a ....shoe, or maybe a golf ball, or a chair, how about a pencil with eraser?

They ALL had someone who designed it and then someone made those things according to the simple design for each its purpose.

You cannot deny that!

Now, look at these things that are infinitely more complex:

Look in the mirror, look at the human body and how all these things function: the eye, the ear, the digestive system, the immune system, the organs, the brain, the heart, the muscle structure and its functions, on and on, look at a fly and its makeup through a microscope, look out into space with a telescope...look at the water cycle, the seasons, the very food that we eat and all that we have comes from the earth....LOOOOOOK EVERYWHERE!
Do you really believe this all happened by mere chance with nobody at the helm or design table?

Are you really foolish enough like so many that believe that all these incredibly magnificent and extremely complex things in the body and plant and animal life came from nothing?

What do you think keeps this earth turning and the sun burning?

PLEASE rp, tell me you don't believe that utter nonsense of evolution!

The very creation speaks of a Divine creator!
The heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament tells of His handywork. Day unto day utters speech, and night unto night speaks of knowledge, there is no place on earth where their voice is not heard!

How can anyone deny that truth!

If you die unsaved, you will have NO CHANCE EVER to be forgiven.
You can NEVER say, I didn't know, or was NEVER told.
Don't gamble with your soul and eternity rp PLEASE don't be so foolish like so many others who will die in their sins.

Time is short....Eternity is not!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

PS. Your bible and God

PS. Your bible and God profess a pretty crappy approximation of Pi. 3 to 1?! Seriously? Stupid.

There are quite a few

There are quite a few problems with your arguments. I don't have time to address them all, but I'll take the major ones.

You list objects created by a more complex being. Pencils, watches, whatever. Evolution does not work in that way. Evolution actually creates more complicated beings, so your analogy is bad...not to mention the obvious infinite logical regression of "if everything needs a creator, who or what created the creator?" The second MAJOR and all too common misunderstanding about evolution is that it is a process of chance. It is NOT RANDOM CHANCE! The process is the opposite of chance. Third, what do you know of eternity? You speak of things as if they are definite truth and you have zero evidence. I could claim that there is a little green bean between far off galaxies that loves dogs and gives them eternal life and wants us to eat more carrots. If I say it with enough certainty and teach my children who are not yet old enough to control their bowels, and I scare enough people into believing it, and if I amass enough money, I could have millions of people vehemently claiming it is true. The green bean talks to them and guides them. If you do not accept the divinity of the green bean, you are going to die forever. Prove me wrong.

"that utter nonsense of evolution"

I guess some people that have the limited ability to understand science find it easier to just rely on religion to explain things. They would not be the ones to get in a boat and sail around the world to show that the earth is indeed round. Just look around, clearly the stars and sun revolve around the earth, right?

When confronted with logic, just quote scriptures, then you can never be wrong. Everybody who doesn't believe in your god and the way you perceive the world is a fool, right?

Holbrook, you assume that because one believes in evolution, or science, that the person is atheist and doesn't believe in a higher force at all. That's a foolish and narrow minded assumption. Perhaps our idea of a 'maker' or 'god' is just not the same as your pompous idea of one.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

good answer.

I was going to postulate that my belief in a god is based on science.
specifically the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
your response was much better.
peace.

If he voted for NDAA, it

If he voted for NDAA, it doesn't matter how old he thinks the earth is.

I don't know either.

It could be anywhere from 4.4 to 4.58 billion years. Hard to say.

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"Fully half the quotations found on the internet are either mis-attributed, or outright fabrications." - Abraham Lincoln

I've never really understood why people care

how old the earth is. It doesn't prove or change anything.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

THIS is why we care...

Let's say you're a biologist and you specialize in the study of bacteria. Say the bacteria that is now infecting and killing people in epidemic proportions. You must find out every single thing about this bacteria that you possibly can... how it survives, what medium it does best in, what its lifespan is, how to kill it.

If you're a geologist, you may be looking for precious metals, or oil, or water, or determining when the next earthquake will be, or the next volcanic eruption. To do your job, you need to learn every single thing you can about the earth, even if it doesn't seem directly relevant.

The most important aspect of geology is *TIME*. When did this happen, how long ago was this layer deposited, and when did that fault cut through it.

Geology is a very old science, and has been continuously refined for hundreds of years. While there still is refinement to be made, the dating of things has become quite reliable and *relatively* accurate. If you can determine the age of something that's 10,000 years old, within a few hundred years, that's an acceptable margin of error. If it's billions, within a few 10s of millions is doing great.

It's important to me to know what a candidate believes, because creationists show a lack of understanding of things, either because they are too lazy to study the science, or they are too dogmatic to believe science even when confronted with clear and logical evidence. While it may not rule the candidate out completely if he/she makes up for it otherwise, it's a big factor to me. It's an indication of their intelligence.

For the record, even though Ron Paul said in front of that group of evangelicals that evolution is a theory and he doesn't "accept it, as you know, a theory", I really believe that deep down he really believes it more than the literal biblical account, or the Adam & Eve fable.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

The Lord says to believe His Word!

When you stand before Almighty God in ALL your sin and shame, you who have denied the vey existence of the Most High God, you who have mocked His Word, you will be utterly speachless and in great fear!

You will then KNOW what He told you in the very Word of God is Truth!

It will be too late for you and all the foolish who say as you do.

You will be cast into eternal damnation for your unbelief and lies!

You will perish in your all your sins!

Hold to your foolish beliefs of man and foolish teachings of man who holds himself above God, and live as you will with the lie that there is nothing to fear, there is nothing or nobody to give an account to and that all is well.

God will have the last word when He judges you and pronounces sentence upon you and then cast you away from His very presence with all the unbelievers and mockers!

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE ON THE FENCE ABOUT THIS:
God tells you to repent of your sins and turn your heart to Him now, while it is still the day of salvation! Ask that He have mercy on you and save you in Christ Jesus name.

If you seek Him with all your heart, you will surely find Him.

When you take that last breath, your eternity will be sealed!

Do you really want to believe the UTTER FOOLISHNESS of the ungodly teachings of sinful man and face Almighty God on that soon coming day, standing GUILTY before Him?

Tomorrow may be too late for you, it will be too late for many on earth.

Time is short, Eternity is not!

I pray that there would be even just one here on this forum, that would come to the Truth and believe on Jesus Christ today and be saved!

I am now finished on this matter

Peace

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

your god sounds like a monster

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I've researched you holbrook...

and found actual video:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=529_1256689296

You're the chick in the white robe holding the gourd at the end.

If there is a god, he won't judge people on how much time they waste praising him. Do you think he's that arrogant and egotistical? I doubt it, he's God, for Pete's sake!

He will judge on the mark that we have left on humanity, the good we've done for others, the kindness that we've shown to those less fortunate, the way we treat others, the way we bring up our children. I'm VERY comfortable that I'll have a place in heaven, probably ahead of you.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

This is why they care

The ungodly unbelievers want to say it's 10 kazillion years old and that nobody created everything, but rather it just came from..... nothing.

How utterly preposterous!

They say this and teach this so that they can then say "phooey" on the Bible and what is written therein including and especially the soon coming day of judgment upon all the unbelievers and mockers of God's holy Word.

We are ALL accountable for our sins and they don't want to accept this even though they know deep in their heart it's true!

That is what they are attempting to avoid....foolish, very foolish!

Only through believing in, and living for Jesus Christ can anyone be forgiven.

The Bible says about all mockers and unbelievers "Though hand join in hand, they shall not go unpunished"

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him"

Only the wise will take heed to those very sobering words from the mouth of God.

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Actually, the intellectually

Actually, the intellectually inquisitive are working daily to figure out where everything came from. Nothing is one option. There are many more.

SteveMT's picture

“Cambrian Explosion” = burst of life over just 20M years.

Explaining this away by pure evolution is like the difference between induction and deductive reasoning.

Does the Cambrian Explosion pose a challenge to evolution? [Yes, IMO.}
In a Nutshell

The “Cambrian Explosion” refers to the appearance in the fossil record of most major animal body plans about 543 million years ago. The new fossils appear in an interval of 20 million years or less. On evolutionary time scales, 20 million years is a rapid burst that appears to be inconsistent with the gradual pace of evolutionary change. However, rapid changes like this appear at other times in the fossil record, often following times of major extinction. The Cambrian Explosion does present a number of interesting and important research questions. It does not, however, challenge the fundamental correctness of the central thesis of evolution.
Continued at:
http://biologos.org/questions/cambrian-explosion

Why SteveMT, pray tell...

does the Camrbian Explosion pose a challenge to evolution?

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

SteveMT's picture

Rolling the dice faster or slower does not change the odds.

If an "extinction event" indeed speeds up evolution, change should really takeoff once we've incinerated ourselves and everything else on the planet. That will not occur, IMO. The earth would simply become another dead planet. Like the Big Bang theory, evolution will eventually also be shelved as another one of man's erroneous thought processes.

Your invalid assumption, SteveMT, is..

that extinction events kill all life and then life starts over from ground zero. That's never been the case. Extinction events, like an asteroid impact, kill off large populations of some things. The survivors fill the void and from the lack of competition, among other reasons, their numbers increase quickly. There has never been the claim that all life on earth has been wiped out, and new life started over again.

Even without major extinction events, there are many global environmental changes that could favor one species over another. Some flourish, some go extinct naturally. Humans could, leaving plenty of other animals to flourish.

So Steve, and I hope you'll answer this, are you saying that God put ALL species that have ever existed, on the earth at the same time? Or did he come back frequently and put new species on the earth?

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

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I'll try to answer, BugMan.

I understand what you are saying that no total extinction events have occurred since life first began here. Got it. The point I was trying to make was there was a burst of life over a relatively short period of time, like a mini-creation, during this Cambrian Explosion. If life was able to start on earth from nothing once, just given sufficient time and repeated rolling of the dice, why not again after we have offed ourselves or after some other cataclysmic event? It's just a matter of time and chance, if nothing else special was involved. The question is did life begin here as a random event, i.e. deterministic forces of matter? In other words, the same life generating process that occurred on earth would occur in the same way on another earth given the same circumstances in a different part of the universe. If it was no big deal here, why not a second time somewhere else? We believe that there is a high probability of a lot more life out there in the universe. The distances are just too vast to locate it.

To you question: A God-controlled evolution is my best assumption. The genetic code links all earthly life together, from bacteria up to us. That is the best evidence for evolution that there is. The same code links everything together. However, ontogeny does not recapitulate phylogeny as put forward by Haeckel. Even with a protein that is only 20 amino acids long, there is not enough carbon on the planet to have even one molecule of each possible protein of this length existing at the same time. In other words, there were "preferred sequences" that were used not just pure random events. Hemoglobin is over 500 amino acids long. The possible functional molecules for something this large would be even more restricted. My belief is that there was at least some divinity involved with life starting here. Hawking and perhaps you also would disagree.

Hawking - “The question is: is the way the universe began chosen by God for reasons we can’t understand, or was it determined by a law of science. I believe the second,” Hawking writes in The Grand Design.

“If you like, you can call the laws of science ‘God,’ but it would be a personal God that you could meet, and ask questions.”

The earth is approximately

The earth is approximately 10,000 years old.

Yes. Moses Lead the People

out of Egypt on the back of a Tyrannosaurus Rex which was conveniently left out of the bible

The dinasours died out after

The dinasours died out after the global flood. They couldn't adapt to the new atmosphere on the earth.

How do you know that? It's

How do you know that? It's not in the bible.