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Iowa GOP Debates Fate Of Its Famed Straw Poll... Actually Branstad Wants It Done Away With Before Rand Paul Wins In A Landslide

The 2011 Iowa straw poll told the national Republican Party that Mitt Flip Flopp'n Romney was no good for them.

But the establishment didn't listen to Iowans and now they are blaming the straw poll participants for not selecting the their biggest loser nominee of all time? But isn't that a good thing that Romney lost there? Doesn't this give the poll credibility... "Like see I told ya so!"

In this respect the Iowa Straw Poll was a complete success and should be used to easily catapult Rand Paul to the top in 2016 given his father's name recognition and top finish in 2012.

Isn't this what Governor Branstad and other establishment types are really afraid of, why don't they just say it, and why is the establishment wanting to retire their old mainstay magic trick (The Iowa Straw Poll, the poll that put W. Bush in power) before the next big election rolls around?



From WSJ...

'Still, other top Iowa Republicans bristled at Mr. Branstad's suggestion that the sun had set on Ames.

"Gov. Branstad is wrong, and this is not a decision he will make, anyway," said A.J. Spiker, chairman of the state GOP. "It is a decision the party and the candidates will make."

Mr. Branstad pointed to Ms. Bachmann's rapid rise and fall in 2011 as Exhibit A for why the straw poll no longer makes sense. Her campaign invested heavily in the one-day event, busing in thousands of supporters from around the state and hiring singers such as Randy Travis to entertain them in a huge tent.

She beat Rep. Ron Paul (R., Texas) by 150 votes in the straw poll but never caught fire among the broader set of GOP voters in Iowa, placing sixth in the January caucuses.'

More here...


WSJ is of course owned by News Corp parent of Fox News. They are going all out to shut the Iowa Straw Poll down now that it is not controlled by the lackeys of Carl Rove and the establishment.

Ron Paul people now own the Iowa Republican Party top down. With that we own its famous straw poll, and the establishment is now going into all out damage control and fits of rage, even 3 years before the next big event, in hopes of discrediting the outcome that they can no longer fix and to discredit what they can not control. This is the first time in decades that they will not be able to screw with the result and they a scared.

The pee is running down their legs now.




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Seems to me

the Straw Poll is good for Iowa's economy, and won't go away because of that. I think the corruption is obvious, and where the politicians would rather do away with the event rather than the corruption.

Virtually everyone here missed the boat on Ron Paul Straw Polls

Make sure to read to the bottom of this for my updated comments.

I stayed on top of this from the very beginning for 2012 manually recalculating every damned Official GOP Straw Poll in all 50 States the entire campaign in hopes that some here would see how this could be used to our advantage. I never saw it anywhere else. But in case I missed it thanks for anyone that shared it.

Ron Paul Poll Statistics Being Blacked Out By MSM Use As An Activism Tool

I found these poll results on facebook and after investigation felt that they were so important in telling the true story of how Americans are voting overwhelmingly across America I had to share them.

We all know that most polls we see in the media are paid for with questions geared ala Frank Luntz to produce the results wanted.

Well these are telling a much truer picture I believe. Please share them as part of your activism in helping to get Ron Paul the nomination and Presidency.

Taken from wikipedia.


These GOP straw polls were always the gauge of a candidates STRENGTH and SUPPORT historically in both parties but now with Ron Paul dominating them they are brushed off and not really mentioned in the MSM and certainly not a total number of wins for each candidate.

Here is the factual truth. All documented with newslinks at the bottom of the wiki page.

These are the Ron Paul straw poll results the media won't talk about:
(Paul has taken 1st Place in approximately 50% (edit: actually was near 50% at one time but overall took 1st 44.6%)of all GOP Sponsored Polls So Far)

Straw Poll Finishes for All Candidates

(1st, 2nd & 3rd)

Paul 29 - 8 - 2
Cain 14 - 9 - 2 (dropped out of race 12/3/11)
Romney 6 - 11 - 14
Santorum 2 - 1 - 8
Bachmann 1 - 6 - 5 (dropped out of race 1/4/12)
Perry 0 - 7 - 2 (dropped out of race 1/19/12)
Gingrich 2 - 11 - 8
Huntsman 0 - 1 - 0 (dropped out of race 1/15/12)

2nd - New Hampshire GOP 2012 Straw Poll - (1/22/11)
1st - DC CPAC Straw Poll - (2/10-12/11)
1st - Online Phoenix Arizona Tea Party Straw Poll - (2/27/11)
1st - Combined Phoenix Arizona Tea Party Straw Poll - (2/27/11)
3rd - Onsite Phoenix Arizona Tea Party Straw Poll - (2/27/11)
1st - Republican Liberty Caucus of California Presidential Straw Poll - (3/20/11)
1st - New Orleans Republican Leadership Conference Straw Poll - (6/16-18/11)
1st - Clay County Iowa Republican Party Straw Poll - (6/19/11)
2nd - Ames Iowa Straw Poll - (8/13/11)
1st - New Hampshire Young Republicans Straw Poll - (8/20/11)
2nd - Georgia State GOP Straw Poll - (8/27/11)
3rd - Maryland GOP Straw Poll - (9/9/11)
1st - Pre-Debate Cincinnati Tea Party Straw Poll - (9/12/11)
1st - Post-Debate Cincinnati Tea Party Straw Poll - (9/12/11)
1st - California GOP Straw Poll - (9/17/11)
1st - DC Values Voter Straw Poll - (10/7/11-10/9/11)
1st - LA County RPLAC Straw Poll - (10/13/11)
1st - Charleston County Republican Party - (10/18/11)
1st - Ohio GOP Swing State Straw Poll - (10/22/11)
1st - Des Moines Iowa Voters NFRA Presidential Straw Poll - (10/29/11)
1st - Des Moines Non-Iowa Voters NFRA Presidential Straw Poll - (10/29/11)
2nd - West Alabama Straw Poll - (10/29/11)
1st - Illinois GOP Straw Poll - (11/5/11)
1st - Charleston County Republican Party Straw Poll - (11/14/11)
1st - San Diego GOP Straw Poll - (11/14/11)
1st - Missouri Tea Party Straw Poll - (11/15/11)
1st - North Carolina Republican Straw Poll - (11/19/11)
2nd - Rockford, Illinois - Winnebago County GOP Straw Poll (11/19/11)
1st - Dubuque, Iowa - Dubuque Tea Party Straw Poll (12/1/11)
1st - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma - Oklahoma GOP Straw Poll (12/5/11)
2nd - Chatanooga, Tennessee - Hamilton County Young Republican Straw Poll (12/8/11)
1st - Des Moines, IA – Drake University Straw Poll (12/10/11)
1st - Pasco County, Florida – Pasco County GOP Straw Poll (12/13/11)
1st - Cedar Valley, Iowa – Cedar Falls Tea Party Straw Poll (12/13/11)
1st - Boise, Idaho – Idaho Republican Party Straw Poll (1/6/12)
1st - Saddle Up Texas Straw Poll (1/14/12)
3rd - Connecticut GOP Straw Poll (1/20/12)
1st - Arizona Republican Party Presidential Straw Poll (1/28/12)
2nd - Idaho Straw Poll (2/4/2012)
I will update the statistics as they come in.

Total Straw Poll Results shows who the real winner is.Wikipedia actually had a running total in the beginning and when it showed Paul dominating early on they removed that. So I would monitor the page and manually change the 1st 2nd and 3rd place winners. Now that they have prematurely crowned Romney they put the cumulative results back.

1st Place Wins

1.Ron Paul 29 (44.6%)
2.Herman Cain 17 (26.2%)
3.Mitt Romney 6 (9.2%)
4.Rick Santorum 3 (4.6%)
5.Michele Bachmann 2 (3.1%)
6.Rick Perry 2 (3.1%)
7.Newt Gingrich 2 (3.1%)
8.Other 4 (6.2%)

I disagree with your premise that a win for Rand in the Iowa Straw Poll will launch him into outer space because if that's true then the fact of the overwhelming ass kicking Ron Paul gave in these official GOP straw polls show have been reason enough just to have cancelled the Tampa charade by the miniscule (6) 1st place wins by Romney as opposed to the overwhelming (29) 1st place wins by Paul.

Until people are willing to spread the word hard with stats like I compiled here and all electronic means of voting in Straw Polls,Primaries and General Election are eliminated you'll still be up shit creek w/o a paddle. We have 1-3 years to rectify this.; )

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

spread the word..

actually, I think the polls you have here should be shared on all the GOP central committees. Thank you.

Truth,Freedom and Peace 2016 and 2012 and 2013.....

Why must we wait for politicians to do what we can all do now?.If we win enough people over,we will win.I believe the politicians will only give in once the number of principled,informed citizens is overwhelming....I really believe it is as simple as that.We can make progress every single day if we focus on winning hearts and minds.Here is a suggestion on how to do it:We get one or two great short ads/videos that promote our shared values of truth,freedom,and peace.Maybe have a few quotes of Ron Paul in there.Just picture a short video explaining why we should bring our troops home,have sound money,cut taxes and spending,balance the budget,end the drug war and give power to the individual while promoting truth,freedom,peace,non-aggression and voluntary humanitarian help to our fellow man.Then we have a money bomb only to DIRECTLY purchase airtime for said ad/video.We vote with our dollars on which video is best.Then we have a "time bomb"(lol) where we all donate our time and focus our efforts spreading the video on facebook,twitter,youtube etc.Keeping it front page on the DP would surely help.Then we fine tune our efforts to make sure we are winning people over.And as long as we see it is working,we NEVER stop.With the "time bomb" method,we could make our message go viral on the internet,nationwide and worldwide,without asking people for money.With the right videos and a united effort by us,I am convinced this would work.In my opinion,this is how we win.Anyone got a better idea?I'm all ears.


Really nice post to read while watching the Macys Parade on T-giving!
and it is definitely a good summary of the PURE CHAOS going on inside the GOP, at ALL levels.
All the authoritarian haters are ripping each other apart, not really sure which one they can trust!!! You can bet they are all stabbing each other in the back, all the while BOTH Drs. Paul look down at them from above.
Little demons will get what they have coming, one can be sure. I know they are realizing whats coming for them- about now- and the more they try and squelch, the BIGGER it gets!
The best part, if anything bad happens to either Paul now, they will have an instant American Icon- bigger then ELVIS, the Beatles and Michael Jackson- COMBINED!

Thanks for writing this thread.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

In Liberty!

Stay free my friends!

"I, __________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."


There is no duration defined in the Oath

Again a Rand Paul propaganda piece

Great that the people who reside in Iowa get rid of the liar polls. That has nothing to do with the fact that Rand Paul will never get my vote. Im seeing more and more of these sneak propaganda pieces for Rand Paul. I dont forget so easy.



I really dont think Ron nor Rand would want your vote.
In fact, I bet you BOTH would tell you to get lost.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016


I live in his congressional district, worked next door to his office for years and helped him in every way possible not only recently in his presidential bids but in a predominatly democrat south texas I fought hard and for decades yet you can make such statments as if you know me. Rand is a traitor and will never ever get my support. His slap in the face endorcement was as slap in my face. I dont care a stitch about What Ron Paul was in the know about or where his campaign was. Rand told me that he supported Mitt thats all that needs to be said. I just wonder how many paid blogers are posting Rand propaganda bought and paid for so as to sway the libertarian support back to the GOP. Well no matter I will never support Rand even if he walks on water.



you are exhibit A!

"I will never support Rand even if he walks on water"

I rest my case.

liberal democrats misunderstand ron and rands msg all the time.

but thank you for all your work in OUR district getting ron relelected.

The rest of us will take it from here.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

People are getting lost.

People are getting lost. Can't you tell? Check the site's traffic vs the neocons. we have lost the momentum. Is that what you want, or do you want to deal with the problem and get over it?



The only ones getting lost were never home with us in the first place.
They do not understand life, liberty and the constitution.
norr do they understand strict conservative fiscal policy.
They have confused themselves by going after Pauls message of Peace but leave the rest of his msg behind or seek to change it.

There are many liberals who have been mistaken in thinking Ron Paul is one of them. They are finding out that Ron Paul is a Republican.
He is not a lib, nor is he libertarian. He has ideas that fit into most Americans' views- but he is a Republican and chooses this vehicle on our ride to all out liberty.
No liberal can wrap their head around that and thats why they must be expunged from the Paul movement because they hold no values Paul does except peace. We can not achieve lasting peace unless you understand pauls entire message and are with it 100%.

so the ones who are getting lost are the ones who need to be dropped.
They seek to distract, divide and change the theme dr paul worked so hard to create. after obama, libs think dr paul is one of them.
he is opposite and they dont understand their confusion is deep and they can not grasp conservative thinking. Just like conservatives cant grasp liberal thinking process.
They need to find a candidate with a msg they can get with and actually vote for instead of trying to change either Drs Paul message.

Liberals can infect a conservative candidacy.
Dennis Kucinich almost brought ron paul down in 07 by attaching himself to rons campaign and saying they were friends and they think alike. they do not think alike at all. neither does barney frank or bernie sanders think anything like paul. they have no idea and do not agree with paul yet their supporters seem to lust after pauls msg but cant understand how he wants to achieve it and seek to change it.
cant happen.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

I do understand the message.

I do understand the message. That's why I am upset that the message was betrayed by Rand. From the traffic stats, I'm obviously not the only one. Just go talk to people on the streets about what Rand did. They are not happy.

Is that really so hard to understand???

Why can't we simply face the mistake and help advocate for damage control? Ignoring it and making up stuff isn't going to work. (Not saying you made anything up, I agree with you on a lot of things. My point is that the problem is a big one that needs to be dealt with).


rand paul has done more in 1 yr to further ron pauls msg then any other single person alive today- either in or OUT of gvt.
name one person other then ron paul who has furthered a more fiscal, constitutional, limited, conservative gvt then rand paul.
Name one vote he has made that ron would not have.
Not everyone will like ron and rand. not everyone will understand.
we are the ones here that like them both and there is no substitute for either as a leader of our movement.

and like I said, rand is only a problem for liberals who have attached themselves to the ron paul mvmt but seek to change the msg and the party used.
cant let that happen.
The ones who are against rand do not have to be involved and can leave.
but the rest of us will stand by rand and his father- regardless of what misinformed liberals and libertarians do.
Ron said to join the republican party.
liberals and libertarians would never do that and there in lies the problem. They would rather try and change the msg.
so rand is only a problem for libs, the rest of us get rand.
republicans get rand and that is all that matters to him, at this point. He is not out to educate liberals. Rand is out to educate the GOP, if libs jump on then they should hush and enjoy the ride.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

I have supported the Paul family with my sweat and hard...

I have supported the Paul family with my sweat and hard earned money ever since I caught my first glimpse of Ron in Freedom to Fascism.

I have supported Debra Medina from the beginning and was there with her the day Glenn Beck sought to accuse her and destroyed her campaign.

At the same time I was a volunteer working with Debra 2009/2010 going straight after Rick Perry, I was also supporting Rand's senate run from before he even announced.

I sat through Rand's speech in person at the RNC this year and it was the hardest thing I have had to watch in a long time, a Paul reading from a tele-prompter.

But as hard as that was Rand had it right (and we had it wrong) and you sir are doing the work of Glenn Beck 2010 fighting against Rand and undermining me in 2012. To hell with you. Rand took a chance and Romney lost. We lost a small battle but we will win this war God willing.. and because of what Rand did we now have a new foot hold with a candidate that is an honest man and we can clearly see where we have to go whereas with Ron it was not clear how to climb up there.

I dare you to say these concerns to his father's face! Ask Ron Paul what he thinks of Rand! I tell you this has been discussed among them. I tell you (Do I even have to tell you?) that Rand has Ron and Carol's full unwavering support for his attempt at a strategy to save our country and our constitution or are you just too stupid to accept that?

Rand is one of us and you sir are more than frustrated. You sir are working against us and against Ron Paul's principles. You are full of hatred and absent love/charity.

Maybe you would like to see Paul Ryan or Jeb Bush in 2016. Who would be better than Rand? You are a complainer without a solution. Offer a solution or shut-up please.

Those who have complaints about Rand, Jesse Benton and Doug Wead should have the courage to tell Ron Paul that he screwed up and cast all the blame on our good doctor for hiring and or associating with them. Maybe Ron should disown his son. You would like nothing better than this, for father and son to have a falling-out (but it will never happen). I can taste that bitter sentiment in your speech.

But the fact is that all of these men have been key to giving Rand a new, higher foot hold into the party. Listening to you it almost sounds as though you are afraid he might make it all the way to the top, your speech is swiping at his foot trying to knock him down and make him fall.. when the truth is that thanks to Ron, Rand, Jesse, Doug Wead, and others in Ron and Rand's campaigns... well Rand now has a straight shot to the top and a way to get there that Ron never had. Can you even acknowledge what Ron and Rand have overcome to get to where we are today? Is the glass half full or half empty? I say we have way more today than we ever expected. We will take the white house in 2016 if it be God's will.

While you are talking only defeat, as for me I will not stop fighting for liberty in the Republican Party just because Ron is retiring. Did you even try to become a delegate for Ron or are you just a stiff Libertarian?

This only the beginning for me and Rand is the one that I am really getting behind (while also supporting others for lessor office as well). And whoever Rand puts on his staff, that person has my full and unwavering support.

May God give us a President in Rand Paul that is willing to use the power of the presidential pardon to lift and remove the yoke from our necks and to do so with a simple stroke of the pen.






bingo, and thx for saying what needed to be said.

Certain ones here will vote for hillary over everyone. or howard dean..
or dennis kucinich...
they are not conservative and do not understand ron or rands use of these philosophies when it comes to gvt and how it all ties together.

good thing the majority of us see their confusion and ignore them.
paulfest was a flop and the liberty mvt will flop too.
there is only ONE true revolution. they will learn not to rename and try to change the subject.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

Rand better get on his knees

Rand better get on his knees and apologize after explaining the error of his ways if he wants a significant chunk of the liberty movement to fall in line.

You can blab all you want, but people are mad and will not forget. He can't sweep it under the rug.

Endorsing Romney was a huge mistake that he made in an attempt to play politics with the enemies of liberty.

He got burned, and you have to admit, it was just the thing Romney needed at the time. Rand fell into a trap which was baited with his own ego; Even after his father went around the country for years telling us that compromise and playing politics is what it us into this mess in the first place. Even after seeing all the corruption and fraud perpetrated against his own father, he still wanted to be the enemy's stooge. He traded liberty for perceived political power. That is traitorous on its face!

Now, there are all these revisionists around saying that Rand only endorsed Romney after Paul had quit. But,of course, we all know the truth is that Rand endorsed Romney before the convention, and right when our momentum was the strongest.

If he doesn't explain this traitorous act, he will not get the support of a LARGE part of the Liberty movement.

Playing politics is NOT a valid excuse.


Rand will upset some people but not the ones in the R3VOLution.

For Rand and Ron, there is only ONE Tea Party Revolution, all other mvmts they are not a part of and do not take their orders from.

when did it start getting called a "liberty movement?"
at garyfest thats where.
so prolife can be dropped from pauls philosophy of gvt. and other things as well.
end the fed has disappeared. right to life. right to property and small gvt with non intervention has suddenly become "intervention sometimes" and pro choice and not so fast ending the fed!!!lol

rand paul 2016 or hillary.
I think most from the liberty movement would vote for hillary over rand.
as I said, they are the confused liberals who refuse to join a tea party or the republican party, there in lies the problem.
dennis kucinich liberals seek to challenge ron/rand paul conservatives by taking over and then try to change the paul msg.
and that is why ron never endorsed or spoke at paulfest. he is hip to it and so are we.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

Playing politics after his dad has already lost is just smart.

No apology needed.


You are either a fool or a

You are either a fool or a knave.

His dad had not "already lost," the convention had not even taken place yet! It was months away and we were at the height of our momentum with expected delegate majorities in at least a fifth of the states; despite all the fraud.

Rand's move was designed by Romney to take the wind out of the sails to nominate Ron Paul. Romney played on Rand's ego by dangling the VP and Rand sold us out. It is as simple as that.

The sad thing is that it worked, and that people like you are trying to rewrite history. I wish people would either face up or shut up. The dishonesty used to achieve political agendas which are the antithesis of liberty is appalling.

People like Ron Paul because he is honest.

People don't like Rand because he was dishonest and sold out the liberty movement for some perceived political gain which ran counter to the movement.

Face facts!

Ignore this at your own peril.


You are a retard!

That is BS. Rand and his dad's campaign knew the delegate count

They knew their delegate count was not enough as soon as a majority of the states had held their conventions.

They knew but they played their cards under the table and managed to play Romney all the way to the bank.

It is too bad the delegates didn't know, but to reveal this would have undermined Rand's strategy to get a speaking slot at the RNC and project our message forward to 2016.

Again, the campaign knew the delegate counts as soon as the CD and state conventions were mostly underway.

To say we hadn't lost until the RNC took place is disingenuous. Ron and Rand needed those delegates to fight on through the RNC but at this point it was all about giving Rand and our movement a speaking slot to propel us forward strong into 2016. That is all.

The endorsement was made

The endorsement was made during the Texas GOP convention and before the National convention.

You aren't going to be able to explain that. I'm trying to make you understand what hundreds of thousands of people are thinking about Rand and you just put your head in the sand while screaming lies to others, encouraging them to do the same.

Face facts or lose the movement.


three days after the louisiana convention and broken bones, and three days before the Texas convention...
rand paul came out at 12 noon with his stated full endorsement of romeny and ron sent his disparaging email at 6pm, 6 hours later.

ron dropped out because it was the first visible sign of violence he witnessed at a convention. To me this was obvious.
so he dropped his bid for peaceful reasons. mainly to keep it!
rand endorsed romney for the same reasons and traveled to important states on behalf of romney, and got to know the establishment in each state as he campaigned for him..
it was genius if you ask me.
Im sure ron told rand exactly who to talk to in each state and gave him much needed advice.
libs here think ron and rand did not discuss their actions a YEAR prior to any endorsement!!!lol
Love when they underestimate both men, they count on it and it helps them WIN!

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016


The endorsement was made after Ron Paul sent an email to all his supporters stating that he would not have enough delegates to win at the convention.

You conspiraTARDS take this bull crap too far. Enough already.

So you speak for the movement?

I will support Rand Paul for president in 2016, donate $2400 to his campaign, and work as hard as I did for his father.

If you think Rand didn't consult his father before the endorsement you are naive. I would bet $10K (circa Mitt Romney) that Ron Paul had a heavy influence in shaping his son's strategy within the GOP. He has seen 30 years of politics and knows what it takes to become president, and Rand would never get elected using the strategy of his father.

Look at the guys positions. He takes tough stances and fights for our rights in the Senate. The guy is literally the most awesome Senator we have had in a long time.

You can quibble over perfection to your set of ideals. I'm sure the people who support Rand will not miss your vote. I was smaller government and more freedom, and a Rand Paul presidency would go a long way toward that end.

Tu ne cede malis.

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You already exposed yourself

If I recall correctly, you already exposed yourself as a Romney shill during the campaign.

If not, then you just did.

Show us this email you speak of. It does not exist.

Here it is

Here is the full

Here is the full email.


By the way, I don't care if there weren't enough delegates; we all planned to fight through the convention. This includes Dr Ron Paul as evidenced by his letter. Our goal was always to nominate Dr Ron Paul at the convention. We had achieved the numbers for that goal.

Rand had a different plan. I have talked to congressional staffers of both Ron and Rand and they all to,d me it was a mistake to endorse Romney and that Rand regretted taking the VP bait.

Ignore it all you want but people (including staffers) are really mad and have withdrawn from the movement because of this. Just check the traffic stats at Alexa ( see my post above)