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I would like an explanation

I would like an explanation of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpNd6G5AlXc&list=UU1yBKRuGpC1...

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

Hey thanks, do you have a

Hey thanks, do you have a link to the DP post about this? I saw the headline today bud didn't click on it in time.

I do not fully understand the story. Was it Walmart's factory? Were they Walmart employes? That is the part I want to understand because I shop at Walmart...I was even planning on going to Walmart tomorrow.

It is hard to imagine how anyone could lock the exits and cause people to burn to death and then hear someone say...they needed the jobs. So what if they needed jobs. They needed to be treated like humans at their jobs. The whole thing is sickening and sad.

I have been to China

and my wife is a Chinese National... I would say that China is overall freer at the citizen level, but institutionally more restrictive.

Sales taxes don't exist.
Property taxes don't exist.
Want to start a small business? Very easy in China.
Want to start a big business? That is tough.

One Child? That is a failed policy and no longer practiced.

I may be wrong... but when I asked the answer I seemed to get is that there is taxation but big business pays those taxes, along with hefty costs to get started.

I see China following policies of the West more and more, but when they Stimulate, you must understand that China has 2.2 Trillion Dollars in the bank, where we are 16.4 Trillion in Debt. So stimulus is really stimulus, NOT artificial, like in the West.

I do see things in China that I don't like. Since the State provides the housing, the people act like renters. They don't keep up the property so well. Most of the time, its just in
need of a coat of paint... but citizens/residents don't do this
on their own accord.

I visited NE China in Harbin. Harbin is an industrial oriented
area of 8 Million people. I was unusual as a visitor there,
but was treated very nicely, was spoken to frequently in English,
and never felt unsafe. Police were visible, but not prowling,
intrusive and bothersome. I noticed no video surveillance in the
public, and I was not molested in the airports, other than in the
US.

We would walk along the river in the evening, and one evening
we were approaching a plaza and a gong (or bell) was struck and music began to play. Spontaneously people moved onto the plaza from the broad walkway along the river... and began to dance. Seemingly everyone interested in doing so had a red folding fan
and though dressed in day clothes, the dance took on the feel of
a production. I was spellbound... even those that did not enter
the plaza danced where they stood. Among those on the plaza were
old and young (maybe 8 years old) and there was lots of laughter
and joy.

Shopping was an interesting proposition too. As the price marked
on items was seldom the final price. My Fiance helped me here
and haggled on everything other than normal groceries (which
were very cheap).

These people have not forgotten how to live. Our evening walks
were amongst great crowds... the highways and shopping areas
were likewise crowded, but being outside, dancing and singing
were everywhere. In America, our streets are lonely, our
children are hidden and supervised, and yet less prepared to
enter our culture's work environment.

While China does have issues with its government, and things
like Tiananman square do happen... we have nothing to be proud
of with our May 4 Massacre at Kent State. Neither we nor they
are unique in this regard. We, perhaps (well we used to) talk
more openly about these things, but that is the biggest
distinction I see in how the governments act.

Well, that's my 2cents... sorry for the ramble. I went to
China newly awakened by RP and the DP in summer 2008, so
my eyes were more widely opened for the trip.

Except that China taxes more

Except that China taxes more than the US does....

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

My fiancee is Chinese as well, from Tianjin. She tells me that..

it is indeed freer in China, regarding to your average day-to-day living. Though she is now a naturalized US citizen she still longs to go back...and we talk of going together to retire someday (if not, my old country).

You mentioned on things that you noticed in your visit to China, that is quite similar to my old country as well (minus the state housing of course, less on the police presence, ditto on less government intrusion and is a "democratic" country)..including the haggling on stuff. I truly believe the vast contrast vs the US really has to do with the "cultural" aspects, and that includes the definition of "free".

Free?

Awesome images. Still China is not free, for many many reasons. One very easy example: One child.

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One word :

One word :

EERIE.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Looks like property rights are improving and holding up pretty..

well so far (in odd and somewhat illogical consequences, based on this article), in "communist" state capitalist PROC.

Full freedom definitely is still ways off and is a slow process to fulfill, but it would seem that they are on the right track.

China is the model that the

China is the model that the elite aspire to for America ~

"Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose. The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history."– David Rockefeller

Left up to them, they'd march us straight into communism with all the same atrocities perpetrated by Mao in China.

Blessings )o(

China is NOT freer-!-I understand your disgust with American

government. But, we are heading toward the brutal communistic rule imposed on China in the 1950's--I thought that's what the RPrevolution was all about--to change our course. Not about hating America to the point that we praise other horrible regimes over our own.

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China and the USSA--Human rights?

I certainly hope that we Americans are to be spared the horrors that government and politics inflicted on the Chinese people during the XX century, especially under Mao.

But the trends in our society are (thus far) pointing strongly in a truly unspeakable direction, and the trends in China, while unclear and ambiguous, give some grounds for optimism where freedom, private property and local sovereignty are concerned.

I hope that we are successful, and that the future holds no Stalinist or Maoist horrors for us, but a lot of things can go wrong with the likes of Obama as President--and McCain or Romney are no improvement--and we may find that human rights comparisons between this country's wretched government and the all-too similar one which is headquartered in Beijing was premature!

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is not to be attacked successfully, it is to be defended badly". F. Bastiat

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, finally they attack you, and then you win"! Mohandas Gandhi

No longer amazing that posts

No longer amazing that posts such as yours would get a down mark. Libertarians and real believers in freedom while not as scarce here as they are in say the local supermarket, are not the norm one would think in a place like DP unfortunately. My plus will hopefully last for a few minutes longer in balancing that out.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good things is my religion. Thomas Paine, Godfather of the American Revolution

Ask the millions of

Ask the millions of Vietnamese Families who have all experiences in one form or another the brutality of what the usa did to that poor country and then talk to me about what "direction we're heading" in.

We have inflicted pain on millions around the globe while simultanousy brainwashing the young into thinking this is patriotic or worse, dumbing them down to viewing a tour overseas as just part of what it takes to get a job or go to school cause it sure isn't patriotic and certainly is murder.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good things is my religion. Thomas Paine, Godfather of the American Revolution

I agree that the US has done horrible things--but saying things

like "China is freer" is just stupid. Which is better--Hitler or Stalin? NEITHER!

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

look at the downvotes you're getting

I think the liberty movement must be dying fast.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Day One after road opens...

Some vehicle plows straight into it.

Building condemned.

Cute older couple gets nothing.

Bet on it.

Pandacentricism will be our downfall.

And here are a few way China is NOT freer than the US

While I am happy for this elderly Chinese couple who have managed to stay in their home, I think we have a few things to continue to celebrate here in this land of from sea to shining sea:

since 49-78 million of our fellow countrymen have not been murdered in our own land by any of our leaders in the last century as done by Mao in China: http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html

since currently in the US, women who have more than one child are not forcibly violated so their unborn can be evicted by murder as done in China: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/15/world/la-fg-china-ab... this number is not included in the 49-78 million deaths listed above.

since currently in the US, Christians worship freely without government torture or persecution as done in China: http://www.persecution.net/china.htm

Additionally, before we begin to espouse the wonderful civil liberties in China, perhaps it would be a good idea to view a list of a few more topics regarding human rights in China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_People%27s...

I have even heard of people wanting to jump to their deaths because of labor situations: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/xbox-factory-workers-th...

and

How many 15 year olds are forced to labor in China? http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-china-child-labor-2012...

so that we in these free United States can enjoy our video games?

I question the intent of this article...yes we have imminent domain problems here; yes, we are seeing an attack on civil liberties, but thank God we have not had to suffer as the people of China have

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Hahaha right, we lock people

Hahaha right, we lock people up for using a plant and inflict pain and murder on MILLIONS around the globe.

I think you missed the point by a mile

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good things is my religion. Thomas Paine, Godfather of the American Revolution

Threatening fake suicide over a crappy job for media attention?

Every year, 38,000 Americans don't just threaten to kill themselves, they do it.

More and more Chinese are getting jobs with better pay every week. How about here? Are the Chinese Chinese kids being enslaved to pay 16 trillion dollars of debt? Um, no.

Your link cites obstacles to Union control of private companies as a human rights violation which is complete horse hockey.

The blurb about China having due process issues while the USA is executing 16 year olds without due process for crimes like being related to a bigmouth that Obama doesn't like is double horse hockey.

So Mr. Bear, How the Hell am I going to get to sleep now? We had chicken instead of turkey for a change and I can't get my Ambien prescription refilled for another week because I live in America!

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

bear as in she-bear

I am not a Mr.

Are you serious complaining about eating chicken and not getting your Ambien perscription refilled because you live in America?

Here, enjoy this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re-education_through_labor

I guess..

..you're trying to tell me about how the United States has waaay more people wrongfully in prison, per capita, than the "Communist" Chinese?

Or maybe you're comparing the American system of 12 years government indoctrination and compliance education to the 2-3 years re-education programs of the Chinese?

Chicken just doesn't have the turkey tryptophan snooze factor and I can't get Ambien because the whole hafta get a prescription for every little thing is an American authoritarian phenomenon.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

I hear ya Cd.

I traveled to a lot of countries. The US is the least free. Most get freedom and rules or prosperity confused for some reason.

Apparently China has far stronger property rights than us. The article actually shows more than one example of these strong property rights. Their lack of building codes is amazing to me too. Our government would've kicked the couple out just for having a building so unsafe and unsightly not to mention the lack of proper parking.

I guess no one scrolled down the article to see the multiple examples of this same situation in China.

There was another article there too about a family living in a public bathroom stall. I wonder how that would go over here. The child would be sent to child services and the couple thrown in jail for that kind of heinous crime.

They have the one child policy, but we have property owners paying for schools and the government giving away money the more kids you have. If your single you get even more. They both seem a bit messed up to me. I think I would chose the first scenario though, if I had to pick. I think the folks who have kids should pay for their own kids schools. Then maybe they would not have so many. As it is we have the poorest and single people having most of the children. Survival of the least fit, hmmm.

And our entire medical industry is a racket. No other country has such harsh rules. And we ain't seen nottin' yet. I am sick to think of what this new Obamacare will be like. In Spain, Morocco, Israel, Argentina, Tanzania, and Mexico you just go to the pharmacy, tell them what you need, and viola. I paid $8 to get tested for malaria and my malaria medicine. Ya gotta love those prices.

No

I am trying to tell you that China has the highest capital punishment rate and that re-education can mean torture and slave labor.

I am sorry that you were not able to have turkey yesterday. I wish I could help you. Our church delivered thanksgiving meals to folks in our community. Other members had people over to their house who were going to be alone. I spent the day at my mom's. Their church hosted a community thanksgiving dinner free of cost. There is goodness left in the United States. There are people who give and give freely.

I think if we fail to see any goodness at all left here in this land from sea to shining sea we will surely fall at the hands of those who are ruining liberty.

I would probably not be alive today if my family was Chinese. Both my father's side and my mother's side followed Jesus Christ. They probably would have been killed during the cleansing. I would never have been born and not have been able to smoke pot and take acid at school during my compulsory free education.

However, it seems both you and I manage to read and write, so perhaps we were given some type of gift. I am not saying everything is good here, but what I am trying to say is that the Chinese people have had it a lot worse, and hopefully by God's grace we will see Liberty Delivered here in these United States.

What do you think would have been the likelihood of a Ron Paul rising in China? Do you remember Tiananmen Square? We have much to be thankful for. I am thankful for you and the opportunity to speak with you this Thanksgiving Weekend.

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Thankyou!

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Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

*UPDATE* House in middle of

*UPDATE* House in middle of road in China razed!

http://news.yahoo.com/video/raw-home-chinese-road-demolished...

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

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