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You're using the article about 15 year old interns living in dorms with room and board, working in a factory as an example of not being free or some kind of human rights violation?

I sold flower and vegetable seeds door to door when I was 8 and had two paper routes in 95 degree summer and 10 below winter starting at 4 in the morning because I wanted stuff. When I was 15 I lied about my age and unloaded railroad cars and worked two theaters at night for 85 cents an hour. I've worked or gone to school and worked ever since.

I still work 60 hours a week and enjoy it. I'll have a secure retirement and be able to travel.

Here's a clip from an article I wrote a few years ago about what American kids do with their time now.
TV 28 hours per week on the average*
Video games 8 hours per week**
Internet 10 hours per week***
Children stay inside because TV says the molesters will getcha.

A kid used to spend at least half of those 46 hours playing baseball, archery, hiking, swimming, etc., outside.

I don't care how much food you cram in a kid. If he's physically playing 23 to 46 hours per week, he's not gaining weight.


"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

What you did as a FREE US Citizen is not this:

"The basic point of the system is to provide cheap labor to manufacturers," said Geoffrey Crothall, a spokesman for China Labour Bulletin, a Hong Kong nonprofit promoting workers' rights. "Ideally, you go to vocational school to learn a trade so that you're in a good position to get a job when you graduate. In reality, the vocational schools make money by sending kids to factories. It's a fairly manipulated form of labor available to manufacturers whenever they need it." http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-china-child-labor-2012...

You had choice...do these children have a choice? I never said work was wrong. What I am saying is that these children are being taken advantage of by a system.

Did you have a forced internship?

Can you at anytime choose to change your working conditions?

Do you agree with forced labor?

Did you read the article?

"Internships usually take place during a student's second year. Teachers are supposed to accompany the interns, but Yantai students said none were present during their recent Foxconn stint.

An assignment at the LG Electronics plant across the street from the school was considered a plum internship, students said, because the tasks are largely mechanized. In contrast, the youngsters said they dreaded getting sent to Foxconn because the long hours, physical demands and monotony were well-known among the student body.

"None of us wanted to work there, but we had no choice," said another of the interns, a lanky 15-year-old with a peach-fuzz crew cut assigned to put finished PlayStations into boxes. "You can't fight the school and the system."

The boys said they were given a day's notice to pack their belongings and head for Foxconn, which picked them up in company buses for the 15-minute drive to the factory. They said they received little training before starting their assignments. The five bunked together in a dorm room they said was far more comfortable than their housing at school. They said they netted about $150 each for the first month of work — after the company deducted $80 for their lodging and cafeteria meals."

"One boy said he worked an overnight shift that started at 7:30 p.m. looking for imperfections on finished gaming consoles. Another struggled to stand after spending hours screwing together thousands of devices. The intern assigned to lug plastic cases for the product bore red welts on his neck from hoisting heavy loads onto his thin shoulders."

I wonder how many hours they worked in a months time to earn $150? I wonder if they wanted the "cafeteria" meals? They had to PAY for their room and board. $80 bucks was deducted.

Lots of free choices available for these kids. How about you? Where did you eat and sleep when you were 15? Did the state tell you where you were going to eat and sleep with little to no notice? Did someone force you to work till you could not stand?

There is a difference between free choice and semi slavery. But you must remember, you pay over 50% of your personal wages in taxes and federal regulations...the difference, you do what you want and eat and sleep where you want and you can quit anytime you want.


Lotsa questions..

This statement of yours above is an oversight.
"I wonder how many hours they worked in a months time to earn $150? I wonder if they wanted the "cafeteria" meals?
They had to PAY for their room and board. $80 bucks was deducted.

>Wrong. "Did YOU read the article?", he asked with a droll tongue in cheek condescendingly bad attitude while he rolled his eyes about the room and flopped about as if posessed with a particularly bad case of the palsies.
Ahem. They had $150 after the $80 deductions. $80 per month for room and board doesn't seem like a particularly good deal to you? Hmmm?
Gimme room and board with utilities and garbage pick up for 80 bucks a month and I'll eat cafeteria food for the rest of my life, and I'll squish the green jello out through my toothy smile, three times a day.

>So each 15 year old kid learned and earned $240 a month in a country whose current average income is $288 per month according to your CNN. http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/26/news/economy/china-middle-cl...

>What a bunch of teenaged shysters these kids are scamming these adults like this. Jeez.

>Ms. Bear? Do you really believe this statement? "Another struggled to stand after spending hours screwing together thousands of devices".
>You can't believe this statement. These are 15 year old boys. Someone in China or at the newspaper has a bad case of drama queen. The whole article was written by the same person.

Great Questions:

Did you have a forced internship?
>I was forced by law to sit idly in a government school for 8 years while the teacher worked with the dumbest kid in the class.

Can you at anytime choose to change your working conditions?
>I could not leave my mandated government classes. The Chinese students, however, were voluntarily enrolled in the program sorta like shop class is optional here.

Do you agree with forced labor? >You mean like the draft or predatory double taxation or maybe community service programs here? On topic, I believe in voluntary contracts and contracted apprentice programs.

Did you read the article? >Yes ma'am, I did. May I help you with it? ;) How many countries overseas have you been to?

Q batch two:

Where did you eat and sleep when you were 15?
>For 9 months I was locked up by the government for posession of two hits of speed, first violation. The summer after that I lived in the back seat of Rich Collin's 67 Impala, read Ayn Rand books and got high on living. I hitchhiked to Denver that August and slept on benches in front of the Capitol building and on the floor of the Nicheren Shoshu temple for a few weeks while I looked for work, enlightenment and poontang. Not necessarily in that order. Thanks for asking, that period after I got out was the most free I have ever been. I was like a cut loose balloon.
Did the state tell you where you were going to eat and sleep with little or no notice?
>Yes, exactly what bunk, cell and what seat. Until they let me out.

Did someone force you to work till you could not stand?
>No. The favorite punitive and unpaid labor was scrubbing the floors with a toothbrush. My regular janitor job while locked up paid 10 cents an hour in 1971. Just enough for cigarettes and a little weed.

You quote the newspapers like you're cuddled up with them. Do you really believe what you read in them?
>Of course, you know you can't believe the American media about what goes on in foriegn countries, it's mostly lies and lies of omission.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ


I don't know what to say to you. When I was 15 I wasn't sleeping in the back of a car. I had a part-time job as a secretary. I slept at home in my own bed in my parents house. I had free room and board.

I haven't traveled over seas. I did believe the words I read in the news paper about the Chinese kids and I felt sorry for them because they don't have a part time job and they don't sleep at home in their parent's house and they don't have free room and board in that house with their parent.

I do not agree with the premise of this post that China is freer than America because some people are living in their torn up high rise in the middle of a highway.

I suppose we see life thru different eyes. Perhaps your might consider what it would have been like to have been picked up in China for speed.

It isn't because of one elderly couple in a highway.

Although I am verrry impressed that the Chinese government respects their private property. Strong private property laws are the core ideal of a free society.

China is getting better than the USA because of the over ten thousand cases here in the USA where every level of government is stealing property from poor people for baseball stadiums and casinos and malls, to give to rich developers. To increase the tax base.


Howabout towns that property tax businesses at 20% of the property value every year, not counting all the sign taxes and sales taxes, etc. Is that freedom?

The USA has fallen to 10th freest place on the planet behind Canada, Chile, and Mauritius off the coast of Africa.

In the next 4 years the omnipotent state will tighten up the screws to generate more money, and expand drone activity striking fear into the hearts of Americans everywhere.


"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

the state owns all land-individuals can possess a land-use right



Article 9 requires that creation, transfer, and destruction of immovable property rights requires registration to be effective.

The law covers all of the three property types within the People's Republic of China, which are state, collective, and private which are defined in Chapter 5 of the law. Chapter 4, Article 40 of the law divides property rights into three types: ownership rights, use rights, and security rights. The law goes into detail about the legal rights associated with any of these three types.

The law does not change the system of land tenure by which the state owns all land. However, in formalizing existing practice, individuals can possess a land-use right, which is defined in Chapter 10 of the law. The law defines this land-use right in terms of the civil law concept of usufruct."

Two white cross tablets a lot like baby aspiring got me 9 months

In China it would be somewhere under 3 years for an adult. I haven't done anything like that in 20 years.

My experiences in South America, Europe, Canada and Mexico have convinced me that the goodness of the American people has fled and so has the special unique status the country enjoyed.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

Years ago, I finally learned that people are people--

every country has good and bad. Every government is the same the world over--good elements and bad. Because US is fighting a ridiculous 'war on drugs' that kills people doesn't make it worse than China fighting a war on children that kills people.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html


You know the west is in trouble when the thought of moving to China to be freer starts making sense.

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I think people in the west

need to get a reality check.

In think the west is in trouble when we begin to see our trouble as anything near the trouble the people in China have suffered.

IMO it is a disgusting slap in the face of the Chinese to celebrate some old people being allowed to stay in a torn up high rise in the middle of the highway after we have stuffed our faces with turkey and dessert thinking we have really bad here in the US.


Yes, including

people such as yourself.

First of all, it is not your place to feel offended for the Chinese or any other person who isn't you, so don't give me this "slap in the face" nonsense. How is cheering on their right to PRIVATE property a "slap in the face", hmm?

Try doing that here, see what happens.

I was half-joking when I said it anyway, hence the "lol".

EDIT: toned down my words a bit

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I am responding to a post that says: "Another Way China is Freer than the US" it is a slap in the face of the Chinese. They just got the right to "private property" in 2007. They cannot own land. Don't tell me that the Chinese are freer in another way than the US. I am happy for the Chinese couple whose front yard is a hwy. Yes, lets cheer on their civil rights accomplishments. Close to 80 million of them were killed in the last century. I wonder what kind of rights they had before that wonderful day when chairman mao decided everything belonged to him?

The Unborn in the excess of 1 per couple belong to who?

Thanksgiving for Americans today and tomorrow.

Will we Americans continue to be grateful for our turkey and dessert after the NEXT major economic readjustment hits (in contrast to the tiny one of 2008) and any Americans who have a few scraps of moldy bread are considered to be the the lucky ones?

Thus far almost everything that the regime headquartered in DC, along with its partner-in-crime, the FED, has been doing to make such a future for millions of us more likely! Being thankful for the American idea is one thing, supporting the government over us (as opposed to another one elsewhere) is etirely different, when one considers that the other one,(Peoples Republic of China) at least OCCASIONALLY did something right!


"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is not to be attacked successfully, it is to be defended badly". F. Bastiat

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, finally they attack you, and then you win"! Mohandas Gandhi

Yeah, you know what they say

even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Is that before of after?

You said "...when one considers that the other one,(Peoples Republic of China) at least OCCASIONALLY did something right!"

I am asking, are you referring to before or after Mao murdered up to 78,000,000 of the Chinese Population?


..is ancient history grasshopper. The Great Leap Forward was 54 years ago. It was a policy error like our central banking.

Get a look at Shanghai China in the James Bond movie Skyfall in theaters now. It makes New York City look like a dump.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

Ancient history you say?

I really don't care what their city looks like. You tell me who owns the Unborn in excess of 1 per couple?