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No US Sailor witnessed the bin Laden burial at sea.

http://presstv.com/usdetail/273986.html

No sailors saw it, and...

"The Defense Department previously said it did not have any photographs or video to support its claim the SEALs killed the al-Qaeda leader. It also admitted there were no images taken of Bin Laden’s body on the Vinton.

The Pentagon does not have a death certificate, autopsy report or results of DNA identification tests for bin Laden, or any pre-raid materials discussing how the government planned to dispose of bin Laden’s body if he were killed, the Daily Mail reports."

EVEN IF the "official story" held water, it means that a man who was never charged with any crimes relating to 9-11 was murdered without a trial for the crime he was not charged with.... and the citizens of the US rejoiced.




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I put together a list of top

I put together a list of top 10 facts that proves the official story surrounding Bin laden death is true.

1. President Obama announces Obama was killed
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-dead

2. CNN announces Obama was killed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdSfS3JSS-Q

3. Photo of...well, Obama monitoring the Bin Laden Mission
http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,2069208,00.html

4. “No Easy Day: The Firsthand Account of the Mission That Killed Osama bin Laden”, the book describing the raid. Very well reviewed on Amazon, a clear sign must be true.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0525953728

5. "The Death of Osama bin Laden", a documentary presented on Discovery Channel, showing the raid and the shooting of Bin Laden. Well, not actual footage but they are using "dramatic animation", as described in the trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6XDTISrZH4

6. The freedom fighters Wiki leaks and Anonymous hacked Stratfor's emails and found out Obama's body is actually in USA, get it, that's why the Gov. can's show the burial at sea. (please notice how ALWAYS Wikileaks and Anonymous end up reinforcing the Gov. fairy tales, adding of course a little controversy)
http://www.news.com.au/technology/wikileaks-stratfor-email-h...

Now, are you redy for the serious artilery? Here are the same big guns used to settle the Birth Cerificate or the Flight93 controvercies:

7. Bin Laden killed by Navy SEALS cooffe Mugs:
http://www.cafepress.com/+navy_seals_1_osama_0_mug,536334772

8. "Obama got Osama" t-shirt: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1384274/Osama-Bin-La...

9. Zero Dark Thirty, a Hollywood production meant to settle any controversy surrounding Bin Laden's death:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxC_JNz5Vbg

10. (My favourite!!!) AlQaeda confirms Osama is dead
http://www.ibtimes.com/al-qaeda-confirms-osama-bin-laden-dea...

Mistery debunked courtesy to Google, the White House, Columbia Pictures, Penguin Books,International Business times , CNN, Cafe Press, Discovery Channel, Time and Stratfor.

Better source

Your sources confirm the headline. However, the majority of information in the overall post is without sufficient evidence to back it up. There is no reliable information that tells us the pentagon has no pictures or DNA evidence. It may be true but there is no evidence of it. The link provided by the author does not prove anything.

leaked emails from the stratfor veep

Claimed that his body was on route to denver afterwards.

bin Laden’s death reported in 2001 Egyptian paper

After studying the fake videos and photos, I am convinced he died in 2001, and his funeral was even published in an Egyptian paper. I go along with the comments posted below that bin Laden’s fake death and burial at sea hoax was used to boost Obama’s political standing.

News of Bin Laden’s death. Reported Funeral mid December 2001. Translation of Funeral Article in Egyptian Paper: al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633
www.welfarestate.com/binladen/funeral /

CIA admits faking Osama bin Laden 9/11 confession video. RussiaToday
www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4a14_LVFtc

Steve Watson Two former CIA officials have admitted to creating a fake video
www.informationliberation.com/?id=30400

Seems silly but...

Since Osama was set up from the beginning to take the fall for 911, having been originally set up by the US gov., it would not surprise me at all if he is alive and well in Hollywood, CA or some other place in the US being taken care of on our dime.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

He's dead.

See post below - he was in end stage kidney disease over a decade ago.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

April 27, 2011 Obama "Long-Form" Birth Certificate released...

then, a week later, on May 2, 2011 Bin Laden "killed" in a Pakistan raid.

Back to April 27:
When I learned from the Alternative Press you could download Obama's birth certificate from the White House website and then separate it into layers (using Adobe Illustrator) into up to 9 layers I found that hard to believe. So I personally downloaded my own copy from the white house web site. I didn't have Adobe Illustrator but I put it into Photoshop and it did separate into two layers like many photos I saw in these articles. That was proof enough that it would separate. Anyway the upshot is that Obama's birth certificate was a forgery manufactured on a computer. For more on this see:

http://www.infowars.com/national-security-threat-obamas-birt...

Be sure to click on the link "deluge of previous evidence" in that article. Here's one more tidbit on the birth certificate before we look at the Bin Laden raid:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/new_obama_birth_certi...

Now fast forward to a week later when the birth certificate controversy had heated up considerably. Obama takes out Bin Laden! How convenient! Everyone forgot immediately about Obama's birth certificate.

Joel Skousen broke that down succinctly in his World Affairs Brief (www.worldaffairsbrief.com) on May 6, 2011. Note, Joel puts his comments in [brackets] when he interjects his opinions while quoting others:

BEGIN TEXT:

DEATH OF OSAMA BIN LADEN: REAL
OR FAKED?
There’s no doubt that Osama Bin Laden is dead.
But the real question is who did the US Special
Operations Team kill? Osama or one of his looka-
like? This latest and final bit of military and
political theater is merely the last in a long series
of claims, from 2002 to the present, announcing
Osama’s death. Apparently the establishment
decided that maintaining the myth of the Osama
terror threat had outlived its usefulness. They
certainly got a lot of mileage out of it. This week
we’ll discuss the many conflicts and
contradictions in the official story.
What isn’t gone, however, is the phony war on
terror. A new boogeyman or false-flag terror
event will now have to be invented in order to
continue the justification that we are at war with
the Muslim world. The only thing America can
count on is that our own government will
continue rampaging through the world under the
guise of saving it from terrorists and tyrants–that
they themselves created, provoked and sustained.
The result will not be peace, but continual
warfare in the future, and the draining of what
value remains in the American economic system.
At least we won’t have to endure more fake
Obama videos or tape recorded messages. We
have documented in past briefings the numerous
times the CIA has certified the veracity of
various threats received from Osama bin Laden,
and how various Arab experts have noted that the
voice, diction and accent of the speaker is
different from the few original recordings we
have of Osama. It became obvious that the US or
its terror affiliates were in possession of at least
one Obama look-a-like who was used to produce
whatever claims or threats the US found useful to
promote the war on terror.
Tony Cartalucci, a contributing writer for BLN,
talks about our government habit of faking
reality to sway the public: “We were knowingly
told verified lies to invade and occupy Iraq. We
were lied to entirely about the ‘spontaneous’
‘Arab Spring’ later admitted to by the US State
Department as a preplanned operation years in
the making. We were knowingly told verified
lies regarding Libya to engage in military
operations in North Africa and we are currently
being told verified lies about US-fueled uprisings
in Syria.
“Now we are told the notoriously deceptive CIA
has ‘killed’ ‘Osama Bin Laden’ in Pakistan. This
is the same CIA that planned to create fake
videos of Saddam depicting him as a
homosexual, and actually did make fake videos
of Osama Bin Laden depicting him drinking
liquor and consorting with boys. Washington
Post's ‘CIA unit's wacky idea: Depict Saddam as
gay,’ stated, ‘The agency actually did make a
video purporting to show Osama bin Laden and
his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging
bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests
with boys, one of the former CIA officers
recalled, chuckling at the memory. The actors
were drawn from ‘some of us darker-skinned
employees,’ he said.”
“Is there any reason at all for us to suddenly start
believing our degenerate criminal government
now, in light of their habitual, continuous,
murderous campaign of lies and deception
directed at both the American people and the
world as a whole?”
WEEKLY EMAIL PRINTED EDITION May 6, 2011
The WAB and other sources have documented
the decades-long CIA relationship with Osama
and his family, using him as a transfer agent
between the Saudi money and the Mujahedin in
Afghanistan, all directed by the CIA. That
relationship continued right up to 9/11 as the US
was providing Osama dialysis treatment for his
kidney disease at an American hospital:
“According to a partner at the American hospital
in Dubai, Osama bin Laden was in the American
hospital in Dubai in July 2001. Osama bin
Laden's doctor in the American Hospital in July
2001 was, reportedly, Dr Terry Callaway. And
the CIA station chief who met Osama in that
same hospital was Larry Mitchell,” as detailed in
a French TV report quoting Le Figaro and the
Agence France Presse. Obama stayed at this
hospital between the 4th and 14th of July.
Severe Kidney Disease: So how, many ask,
would Obama be able to hide out in caves, and
highly guarded homes in Pakistan without many
trips to the hospital, or the use of a portable
dialysis machine (which was not present in the
home where the US claimed he was shot)?
Osama would have required dialysis at least
every other day, and perhaps daily given the
length of time he has been suffering from the
disease. Hiding out without a dialysis machine
would have been virtually impossible.
The “Nine Lives of Obama” have been
circulating around the net touting the proposition
that there have been 9 previous media accounts
of Osama’s death. That’s a lot of hype. As you
can see from the list below, only two claim to
have intimate knowledge of Osama’s death—
two former Presidents of Pakistan, both dead.
1. December 26, 2001: Fox news reports on a
Pakistan Observer story that Osama bin Laden
dies a "peaceful death" due to an untreated lung
complication [possible].
2. January 18, 2002: Pakistani President
declares “I think now, frankly, he is dead.” [Too
early and conflicts with Bhutto’s account in
timing]
3. July 17, 2002: Dale Watson, told a
conference of law enforcement officials “I
personally think he is probably not with us
anymore,” [Doesn’t sound like a fact]
4. October 2002: Afghan President Hamid
Karzai told CNN: “I would come to believe that
[Bin Laden] probably is dead.”
5. November 2005: Senator Harry Reid
revealed that he was told Osama may have died
in the Pakistani earthquake of October that
year. [Hearsay, and unlikely]
6. September 2006: French intelligence leaked
a report suggesting Osama had died in Pakistan.
[Probably true, and coincides with the next
witness]
7. November 2, 2007: Former Pakistani Prime
Minister Benazir Bhutto told David Frost in a
major interview that Omar Sheikh had killed
Osama Bin Laden.
8. March 2009: Angelo Codevilla [best military
and intelligence analyst] stated: “All the
evidence suggests Elvis Presley is more alive
today than Osama Bin Laden.”
9. May 2009: Pakistan President Asif Ali
Zardari said "I've said before that he (Osama) --
I don't think he's alive," He also said the head of
US Intelligence told him they [the US] hadn’t
heard from Osama bin Laden in 7 years so they
presumed him dead.” [Can’t trust this as the CIA
rarely revealed anything sensitive and true to
Zardari. The CIA won’t even admit that Osama
was “their” terrorist leader].
Background on Seal Team 6: Jeremy Scahill
reports on the Black Ops Force that claims to
have taken down bin Laden: “The team of US
Special Operations Forces who killed Osama bin
Laden in a pre-dawn raid on a compound in
Abbottabad, Pakistan, were led by elite Navy
SEALS from the Joint Special Operations
Command. Operators from SEAL Team Six, also
known as the Naval Special Warfare
Development Group, or just DevGru, are widely
considered to be the most elite warriors in the US
national security apparatus.
“Col. W. Patrick Lang, a retired Special Forces
officer with extensive operational experience
throughout the Muslim world, described JSOC’s
forces as ‘sort of like Murder, Incorporated.’ He
told The Nation: ‘Their business is killing Al
Qaeda personnel. That’s their business. They’re
not in the business of converting anybody to our
goals or anything like that.’ Shortly after the
operation was made public, retired Gen. Barry
McCaffrey called JSOC’s operators the ‘most
dangerous people on the face of the earth.’”
Part of what makes them so dangerous is that
they don’t question orders as they should. If they
get a command to kill someone, they do so, like
automatons—and that’s dangerous.
Where’s the body? The US claims to have
rushed the body by helicopter for a sea burial
(supposedly to honor the Muslim necessity for an
honorable burial when burial in the earth is not
possible) which defies all reason. Why so soon?
and how was this determination made? Was there
a shortage of cemeteries in the town? Not at all.
But burial in the ground would have provided a
constant demand to exhume the body for
verifiable DNA proof.
Obama claimed they had used DNA testing, but
announced the raid and death far sooner than
such results could have been obtained—and there
is no explanation of how they had a known
sample of Osama’s DNA to compare the result
to! To do a cross match of DNA with other
family members would have taken even longer.
The US was lying, again. US media is now
covering for these improbable claims. They now
say DNA testing is “underway. It wasn't used to
confirm bin Laden's death. Instead, facial
recognition was employed.”
Perhaps, but given the fact that the US has used
at least one pretty good look-alike for Osama in
several of their faked videos, it is likely that one
of these hapless people was instructed to go into
the compound in Abbottabad—a setup for faking
the capture and death of bin Laden.
Quickly removing the body and tossing it in the
ocean is prima fascia evidence that the US did
not want anyone to have access to the body for
identification purposes—and that means it almost
assuredly was NOT the real bin Laden. And, if
the US had such reverence for the Muslim dead,
why just leave the others to rot in the compound?
Why did only Osama merit this extraordinary
courtesy?
Where are the pictures? US special forces
supposedly filmed the raid and also had still
pictures, but none are ever to be released. One
faked picture did make the rounds of the internet,
but it was a crude forgery with Obama’s bearded
lower face blended into a head that was so
damaged by explosions, it could not match the
description of a man killed with a “shot to the
head.”
The real pictures, which a few select yes-men in
Congress have seen, are never to be released.
This is supposedly out of concern for the
sensitivities of children and so as to not give rise
to more outrage by pro-Muslim groups. The real
reason is obvious: to make sure no one can
investigate US claims that it was bin Laden.
Where are the guns? The US team came into
the compound with guns blazing, saying they
feared for their lives. But, according to Reuters,
“Photographs acquired by Reuters and taken
about an hour after the U.S. assault on Osama bin
Laden's compound in Abbottabad in Pakistan
show three dead men lying in pools of blood, but
no weapons.”
Why the Large House? If you’re trying to hide,
and not draw attention to yourself, why pick a
huge house in a small town that towers over the
rest, with high walls and barbed wire. Talk about
high profile! This sounds more like a house
connected with high powered people or
governments. Perhaps it was a safe house for the
CIA’s Osama look-alike, who they betrayed
when he lost his usefulness. When Saddam
Hussein wanted to hide, he went literally
underground, but he too was betrayed.
Pakistani Accounts: The Pakistani government
is a lackey of the US. Nevertheless, stories
reported everything from Pakistani outrage to
outright collusion and assent to the US raid. The
official Pakistani government praised the US
raid, and unofficial Pakistani spokesman wove in
additional details to try and bolster the US claim
that it really was Osama that was killed:
Alarabiya.net parroted the Pakistani line that
“Senior Pakistani security officials said Osama
bin Laden’s daughter (12 years old) had
confirmed her father was captured alive and shot
dead by the US Special Forces during the first
few minutes of the operation carried out at the
huge compound...”
But the account didn’t contain one single first
hand piece of knowledge. Every journalist is
merely saying what government officials are
telling them. Why not hear from the girl
ourselves, or from one of Osama’s wives that
was supposedly there?
The Daily Mail reports: “The wife of bin Laden
is now said to be at the center of a diplomatic
custody battle because the US wants to
interrogate her but has been rejected by Pakistan.
Why would you kill an unarmed Osama and then
battle over interrogating his wife? In time, this
will look like a poorly thought out operation. The
US just killed the guy [Osama, unarmed and not
resisting] who could provide the most
information on Al Qaeda. As for interrogating
the wife, the US just wants to shut her up--and
they have to be really concerned about the 12
year old daughter.”
Alex Jones had another media coup this week by
presenting his audience with a high ranking
former official with the US State Department
who has some really important insider
confessions about false flag operations run by the
US government.
Paul Joseph Watson of Prison Planet.com has the
story: Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik is a top US
government insider, a man who held numerous
different influential positions under three
different Presidents and still works with the
Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex
Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden
died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify
in front of a grand jury how a top general told
him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside
job.
“Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a ‘conspiracy
theorist’ [he has conspiracy facts]. He served as
the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under
three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and
Carter, while also working under Reagan and
Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for
the Department of Defense. A former US Navy
Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious
Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard
Medical School as he simultaneously completed
a PhD at MIT.
“Back in April 2002, over nine years ago,
Pieczenik told the Alex Jones Show that Bin
Laden had already been ‘dead for months,’ and
that the government was waiting for the most
politically expedient time to roll out his corpse.
[I’m not buying any of the theories that the PTB
kept Obama frozen for years and then used his
corpse.] Pieczenik would be in a position to
know, having personally met Bin Laden and
worked with him during the proxy war against
the Soviets in Afghanistan back in the early
80?s.”
That expedient time for the PTB has arrived—
sacrifice the image of Osama the terrorist in
order to resurrect the failing reputation of
Obama. Paul Craig Roberts had one of the best
commentaries on the changing official story and
this and other possible agendas behind the bin
Laden news event—which has reached
grandstanding proportions:
“The US government’s bin Laden story was so
poorly crafted that it did not last 48 hours before
being fundamentally altered. Indeed, the new
story put out on Tuesday by White House press
secretary Jay Carney bears little resemblance to
the original Sunday evening story. The fierce
firefight did not occur. Osama bin Laden did not
hide behind a woman. Indeed, bin Laden, Carney
said, ‘was not armed.’ The firefight story was
instantly suspicious as not a single SEAL got a
scratch... Every original story detail has been
changed. It wasn’t bin Laden’s wife who was
murdered by the Navy SEALs, but the wife of an
aide. It wasn’t bin Laden’s son, Khalid, who was
murdered by the Navy SEALs, but son Hamza.
Carney blamed the changed story on ‘the fog of
war.’ But there was no firefight, so where did the
‘fog of war’ come from? No explanation has
been provided for why an unarmed bin Laden, in
the absence of a firefight, was murdered by the
SEALs with a shot to the head.
“For those who believe the government’s story
that ‘we got bin Laden,’ the operation can only
appear as the most botched operation in history.
What kind of incompetence does it require to
senselessly and needlessly kill the most valuable
intelligence asset on the planet? [Of course, he
wasn’t of any value to the US because, 1) Osama
was already dead, and 2) Osama was a US
operative and thus didn’t have anything to offer
the US they didn’t already know]. According to
the US government, the terrorist movements of
the world operated through bin Laden, ‘the
mastermind.’ Thanks to a trigger-happy stupid
SEAL, a bullet destroyed the most valuable
terrorist information on the planet.
“When such a foundational story as the demise
of bin Laden cannot last 48 hours without
acknowledged ‘discrepancies’ that require
fundamental alternations to the story, there are
grounds for suspicion in addition to the
suspicions arising from the absence of a dead
body, from the absence of any evidence that bin
Laden was killed in the raid or that a raid even
took place.”
The presence of a downed stealth helicopter on
the grounds does prove the existence of the raid.
Only the tail and tail rotor survived as it fell
outside the wall. Onlookers snapped pictures of
the unique stealth shapes on the tail section and
rotor as US soldiers were busy lifting it away
with a crane and putting it on a truck.
I had a subscriber several years ago tell me he
witnessed firsthand a night training mission of a
flight of these birds in central Wyoming—nearly
noiseless because of the large number of blades
they used. There was no “whop, whop” sound
but only the swishing of air, like what would
come from a huge fan.
Roberts continues: “There is no doubt that the
US is sufficiently incompetent to have needlessly
killed bin Laden instead of capturing him [Not at
all. There was no accident here]. But who can
believe that the US would quickly dispose of the
evidence that bin Laden had been terminated?
The government’s story is not believable that the
government dumped the proof of its success into
the ocean, but has some photos that might be
released, someday.
“As one reader put it in an email to me: ‘What is
really alarming is the increasingly arrogant
sloppiness of these lies, as though the
government has become so profoundly
confident of their ability to deceive people [and
control the media] that they make virtually no
effort to even appear credible.’ [Absolutely
true—and another evidence of the power of the
conspiracy we are dealing with] Governments
have known from the beginning of time that they
can always deceive citizens and subjects by
playing the patriot card. ‘Remember the Maine,’
the ‘Gulf of Tonkin,’ ‘weapons of mass
destruction,’ ‘the Reichstag fire’ – the staged
events and bogus evidence are endless. If
Americans knew any history, they would not be
so gullible.
“The real question before us is: What agenda or
agendas is the ‘death of bin Laden’ designed to
further? There are many answers to this question.
1) “Many have noticed that Obama was facing
re-election with poor approval ratings. Is anyone
surprised that the New York Times/CBS Poll
finds a strong rise in Obama’s poll numbers
after the bin Laden raid? As the New York Times
reported, ‘the glow of national pride’ rose ‘above
partisan politics, as support for the president rose
significantly among both Republicans and
independents. In all, 57 percent said they now
approved of the president’s job performance, up
from 46 percent.’ In Washington-think, a 24%
rise in approval rating justifies a staged event.
2) “Another possibility is that Obama realized
that the budget deficit and the dollar’s rescue
from collapse require the end of the expensive
Afghan war and occupation and spillover war
into Pakistan [this one I doubt strongly]. As the
purpose of the war was to get bin Laden, success
in this objective allows the US to withdraw
without loss of face, thus making it possible to
reduce the US budget deficit by several hundred
billion dollars annually – an easy way to have a
major spending cut [The PTB don’t want to ever
be restricted by budgets]. If this is the agenda,
then more power to it. However, if this was
Obama’s agenda, the military/security complex
has quickly moved against it.
3) “CIA director Leon Panetta opened the door to
false flag attacks to keep the war going by
declaring that al Qaeda would avenge bin
Laden’s killing. Secretary of State Clinton
declared that success in killing bin Laden
justified more war and more success. Homeland
Security declared that the killing of bin Laden
would motivate ‘homegrown violent extremists’
into making terrorist attacks. ‘Homegrown
violent extremists’ is an undefined term, but this
newly created boogeyman seems to include
environmentalists and war protesters.
4) “Various parts of the government quickly
seized on the success in killing bin Laden to
defend and advance their own agendas, such
as torture. Americans were told that bin Laden
was found as a result of information gleaned
from torturing detainees held in Eastern
European CIA secret prisons years ago [from the
notorious Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who
claimed way too much in his so-called
confessions—but not during his actual torture
session].”
My personal view is that the establishment
intends to get Obama reelected and this military
success story was conjured up as an essential part
of boosting Obama’s sagging image. Jack Hunter
pointed out how Obama’s new reputation as the
Osama Killer will mute the Republican historical
reputation as the “defender of the nation.” ...
/END TEXT

My own opinion is we had a false Birth Certificate that was rapidly gaining traction in the news so what better way to make Obama look like a real "American" than to take out Bin Laden with another hastily put together false event the following week!

-Bloatedtoad

@bloatedtoad: Wow! I guess

@bloatedtoad: Wow! I guess nobody can question Obama's birth certificate, huh? I honestly found this whole thing that Bin Laden was killed in a raid to be a side-show for what was going on there. Imagine: if the birth certificate issue hadn't been slighted, Obama would've probably been impeached!

I did have Adobe Illustrator

I also downloaded it myself (directly from the White House website) and opened it up in Illustrator.

I found one main layer with many consolidated sub layers organized into groups:

Groups are made up of layers, sub layers and objects (ie: other images) that have been merged together.

Within one minute of opening the downloaded file it was clear to me how fake it was.

Individual layers and the objects they contain can be moved around and switched on or off.

Drag and drop Dates, Signatures and everything.

I defy anyone to produce and upload the scanned image of a birth certificate (or photocopy of a birth certificate) where this outcome is possible, without manipulating it.

Anyone who suggests that the copy supplied to Obama was a computer generated copy and not a photocopy should read the correspondence with the director of the State of Hawaii Department of health (Loretta J. Fuddy), which states:

"I have the legal authority to approve the process by which copies of such records are made. Through that authority, in recognition of your status as President of the United States, I am making an exception to current departmental policy which is to issue a computer-generated certified copy."

Or this news release when issuing the Certificate of Live Birth:

In 2001, the Hawaii State Department of Health began computer-generating vital statistics records. Since then, its longstanding policy and practice has been to issue and provide only the computer-generated Certifications of Live Birth, and to not produce photocopies of actual records to fulfill requests for certified copies of certificates.

Director Fuddy made an exception for President Obama by issuing copies of the original birth certificate. The departmental policy to issue only computer-generated Certifications of Live Birth remains in effect for all birth records that have been computerized. Director Fuddy, in her capacity as Health Director, has the legal authority to approve the process by which copies of birth records are made.

“The exception made in this case to provide President Obama with a copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth was done according to the letter of the law,” Attorney General David Louie said. “Director Fuddy exercised her legal authority in a completely appropriate manner in this unique circumstance.”

Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator - Official Proof 1 ( Layers )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY

Of course!

whatever happened to bin Laden's dead body was done years ago. there was no body, Obama did not "get him", and now the truth is plain that the May 2011 raid and supposed burial at sea was a total fiction for the reelection of this imbecilic president.

George Bush had the evidence of his death years ago, Im certain, but then they'd have to answer questions about the Afghan mission, even though all the Al-Qaida leaders were long past captured or killed.

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"Terrorism is the war of the poor, while war is the terrorism of

Either

Obama didn't get him and he was dead long ago or he is still alive. Would not surprise me if the our gov has allowed him to live for some reason.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

EVEN IF the "official story"

EVEN IF the "official story" held water

Correcting

EVEN if the official story "held water"

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

WTF?

This is not a credible source of information. This should not be on the front page. This kind of stuff makes the liberty movement look naive and stupid. We are shooting ourselves in the foot with this kind of stuff. I would rather have some older Ron Paul videos on the front page than this garbage. It would also be a lot better for our more infrequent visitors to see.

Oh ok. Here

Boston Globe:
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/11/22/official-e-mails-detail-...

Time:
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/11/22/official-e-mails-detail-...

There. I took 4 minutes out of my day to do this for you.

Feel better now? Are these sources good enough for you to call "reliable"?

Whatever works for ya man

Your'e a big dumbass. Those

Your'e a big dumbass. Those aren't credible sources.

Asshat

I posted those for the guy that was unhappy or not satisfied with the OTHER sources that were posted.

Never mind that none of them are quote/unquote *reliable*. I posted them assuming the big dumbass moron retard sheeple bonehead would be satisfied.

Please enlighten us by posting yet *another* source that basically repeats the same story, with most of the same exact details, that YOU in your infinitely superior wisdom feel is credible.

Ok? Insulting asshat

I don't see anything wrong with mixing it up now and again

It keeps everything fresh. If it's from a reliable source..Those are few and far in between
nowadays.

Just one last kick in the nuts, then a final deathblow

Funny

Why would an individualist movement, like RP movement, reference Iranian propaganda (PressTV) as a source of information?

If Obama could have his fake papers on display without public outcry, why could not bin Laden connect his kidney dialysis machine to an electric outlet in a mountainous cave?

My theory is the following:

1. It was not a Seal team, but actually a mercenary team that carried out the move on that house in question.

- Crashed helicopter (seemed oddly modern from what could be seen)
- Surprise that there was a designation of a "Seal Team 6" to begin with in some circles
- Eventual backing off by Pakistan once they found out it was a mercenary team and not an official foreign state military unit.
- Later report of the demise of the same team at a later mission or accident. (Designed to raise the hackles of conspiracy theorists thereby drawing them off track to begin with...)

2. It either wasn't Bin Laden - or - they did get him but simply sent him back home to Saudi Arabia / Yemen again.

- All the initial photoshopped photos that eventually got withdrawn.
- Only a rear view of the old man provided...obscure.

3. The situation room photo. Critical moment - and what's the POTUS doing? Sitting off to one side almost at floor level. Sure that meeting did take place - but just so the general could show a nifty Point Presentation, trendy graph, or something less important but attention grabbing nonetheless.

=8-)

Conservative AND Libertarian!!!

Double post

Dr. Pieczenik has a hilarious take

http://pieczenik.blogspot.com/2012/11/best-bad-osama-bin-lad...

Recall that he has been saying for years that Bin Laden died a long, long time ago.

mastermind of 9-11

Has been in jail for 9 years.Bush was afraid to send him to death by trial.Obama is even more afraid to send him to death by trial.The lame stream media afraid to talk about him.The man who admitted it. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.AKA the hairy back man.Obama brags he killed Obama.Why keep this man from trial?Afraid of that bragging right Obama?

Obama killed Obama

Not being a grammar-fed, but LOVE the slip! What's one terrorist or another? If only...

No US Sailor witnessed the bin Laden burial at sea.

What a surprise...

Yep, he died in 2001

like the poster said below, look at all of the photographs and videos, there are skinny and fat, young and old Bin Ladens. We even have the technology to examine the voice data from his videos and they are not the same voice at all over the years. These are just CIA actors. Do the research. The biggest lie and scam since 9/11.

WATCH THIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBvsn2FZoTM

Hi was killed in 2001

Bin Ladin was killed by one of his lieutenants in 2001 after 9-11. He has been on ice since until Obama got rid of the body.

They shouldn't have been able to peddle this BS story

to anyone with a brain. From 9/11 on out, and certainly before, the government and media have operated with the philosophy/premise that "The masses are asses". They're mostly right.

bump

Thanks for posting Fishy.

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