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Would The People Of Texas Support A Sale Tax To Fund A State Militia

Interesting thought, if session should happen to take place the need for state militia would surely be needed. Where would the funding come from? This same scenario would also apply to the other states.

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three things that are not

three things that are not related

State Militias
Sales Taxes

This is pretty easy to do...
If Maine secedes from the union will they wear purple hats on thursdays?
If Alabama secedes will the price of wheat increase on a full moon?
If Florida secedes will rental cars be limited to only women under the age of 71?


We are already "taxed" by the force thrust onto us by government. I am already the militia. Taxing me for what I already am seems pointless.

From a Texas citizen: No.

From a Texas citizen:

Southern Agrarian

If States were to secede would IRS taxes apply to those citizens

If States were to secede would IRS taxes still apply to the citizens of that state which has seceded?

meekandmild's picture

you just refuse to extradite the person

that the IRS Mafia is trying to get to

Yes. Real Estate transactions are taxed by IRS & most states.

Whether you are a citizen or not. Secession of any of the Untied States individual states or territories may generate a windfall for the IRS. They would likely consider secession triggering capital gains tax.

Even w/o session, when an individual taxpayer moves out of one state into another, income tax authorities in either state wish to stake a claim: you owe them a living. To wit: pensioner moves from Connecticut to New York (both have income tax; both have laws laying claim to your pension). It is called a conflict of law. Generally, court verdicts allow the state of residence to get their cut second... After the IRS takes its pound of flesh of course.

The IRS rises above petty "conflict of law." They write their own tax regulations. Have their own tax court.

    "They have a club, & you ain't in it! - George Carlin"

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Cyril's picture

+1. On George Carlin quote

George Carlin ...

... had his eyes and ears wide open, and a functioning brain.

Yet, "they" thought he couldn't be really serious.

Of course.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Why Mr. Twain,

I was hoping someone of refined intelligence such as yours would answer my question; and because I am still lacking, can you explain to me why, if a state has seceded from a Federal Government, that a citizen of such state would still be beholden to the Federal Governing rules; i.e., those Federal Rules by which the IRS functions?

Why would not the citizen only be beholden to that independent state's rules in that case?

I do recall, though, Mr. Patrick Henry’s words (thanks to my friend Josf who gave me the link early in my Liberty Education) http://www.wfu.edu/~zulick/340/henry.html :

“1.3 I rose yesterday to ask a question which arose in my own mind. When I asked that question, I thought the meaning of my interrogation was obvious. The fate of this question and of America may depend on this. Have they said, We, the states? Have they made a proposal of a compact between states? If they had, this would be a confederation. It is otherwise most clearly a consolidated government.

1.10 The question turns, sir, on that poor little thing the expression, We, the people, instead of the states, of America. I need not take much pains to show that the principles of this system are extremely pernicious, impolitic, and dangerous. Is this a monarchy, like England a compact between prince and people, with checks on the former to secure the liberty of the latter? Is this a confederacy, like Holland an association of a number of independent states, each of which retains its individual sovereignty? It is not a democracy, wherein the people retain all their rights securely.”

(The 2 paragraphs following at that link are worth reading as well though I did not attach them for lengths sake.)

Will the people of a state that has completed secession still be beholden to the federal government because the Federal Contract, the Constitution, is with the people and not with the state?

Begging a question to Mr. Carlin’s statement: "They have a club, & you ain't in it!"

I am wondering, Perhaps we cannot get out of their club?


I take Congressman Patrick Henry's words as wise.

His request to, "give me death" not withstanding.
The IRS is an international corporation. It writes its own regulation. Has its own tax court.

"Will the people of a state that has completed secession still be beholden to the federal government because the Federal Contract, the Constitution, is with the people and not with the state? - Bear

NSF... Not sufficient funds. Look to the Civil War history. States that seceded were met with force of arms. Will citizens be beholden? Will they receive promised benefits? I don't know.

I wonder along side of you. I hope to wonder a long time... as the answer becomes so obvious to all.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

As do I

Hearsay has it (as it was a conversation with my husband yesterday which I have not verified as fact) that Texas seceded during the Civil War and then afterward rejoined the Union. That was news to me…interesting news. I am not much of a historian, but we migrated to this grand state of MO from TX.

I guess my question regarding whether the people of a secession state would still be obligated to the IRS had to do with the original question of whether people would be willing to put up with another tax in order to have a state militia. I was thinking that perhaps a Federal tax would no longer be required, so the idea may be a bit more palatable.

So the IRS is an international organization? I surely did not know that and do not exactly understand. I had thought the IRS was part of the 16th amendment and came into existence with the 1913 Federal Reserve legislation. However, I did a quick check and it seems that Lincoln and the congress created the IRS to pay war expenses…Wow…I guess that was an expensive war since we are still paying.

As far as secession, I was excited to see our State of MO had a petition at the White House and almost signed, but decided I was not going to volunteer my name to the White House. I guess I have not been pushed and shoved quite as far as that Famous Mr. Henry and his “Give Me Liberty, or Give Me Death statement, as I also am hoping to wonder a while longer as well.


"...gainst spiritual wickedness in high places" - Ephesians 6:12

Federal tax... - Bear

"I tax. Therefore, I am." - The Fed, 1913 ~ 2012 End the Fed, RIP.
Please take this in bite sizes nibbles. It covers a century of darkness. ~ Best wishes. MT

"The IRS is an international organization?" - Bear

They operate on the world stage. Most notoriously, these last two years, they forced open secret Swiss bank accounts. They do more than sit in their US Division HQs, Delaware (IRS, Inc. A Delaware Corporation).

IRS HQ is Puerto Rico. (few believe)

    "We Do Not War Against Flesh and Blood..."

    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places"
    Ephesians 6:12

IRS, IMF, and Delaware Corporation (US Division). September 2011. (believe what you will; nothing more)

You may find that the following will enhance your understanding of the differences between De Jure & De Facto governance which are the main factors currently leading this nation into chaos...

"One other minor detail that the congress overlooked is that the IRS is not a division of the Federal Government they are nothing more than a private for-profit collection agency registered in Delaware. If they come to your home you should treat them as the private [redacted]: Because despite the badges they are NOT FEDERAL agents"

Congress, the IRS, and the President work for the IMF. The IRS is not a U.S. government agency. [They are a private service.] It is an agency of the IMF. (Diversified Metal Products v. IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)

... The IRS [it seems] was covertly authored into existence as an agency chartered in Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico happens to be an "insular possession" of United States Government, Inc. ... U.S.G. Inc. (some say the IRS was created to be a "Delaware Corporation".) ... Question/answer points to some shady paperwork... unofficially / officially created IRS as an agency operating out of Puerto Rico.United States division HQ in Delaware.

[This information is secreted away by those assuming authority over you. Few records see the light of day.]

"IRS, 16th amendment, 1913 Federal Reserve" Act - Bear

Kissing cousins.

Lincoln and the Congress created the IRS? - Bear

Similar sir name. Ancestor. Not kissing cousins.


"Expensive war - Bear

Indeed. Many time over previous debt known to man.

"Patrick Henry, "Give Me Liberty, or Give Me Death statement"
A while longer as well. - Bear

Bless you.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

"For the love of money is the root of all evil..." 1 Timothy 6:1

Just when I think I understand, I find how little I understand.

I am not awake as I am still living in somekind of dreamland where those entities: "IRS Puerto Rico, IMF, and Delaware Corporation" as you have outlined them have not yet existed for me.

I do know that if one follows the trail that love of money leads one will find the root of evil. I suppose someone has found that root?

Do you have a source for this information? Or what I am really asking, is how can I learn more? Do I want to learn more?

"the lack of money is the root of all evil." - Mark Twain

"I suppose someone has found that root?" - Bear

I suppose not. Oft, there is no source to find. It is immaterial. A poor soul may be made to believe he owes some soulless thing a living... To wit, a bank. Slathers of "legal tender." No money. Legally defined as a person (A corporation is a legal but not a real person). No soul.

Imagine yourself an explorer searching for the "Immaculate Money Fountain." What would you expect to find? Surely not the IMF, a Washington DC corporation.

Thus, Ron Paul's common lament: 'We are broke. Where is source of this funding? Out-of-thin-air?'

"Do you have a source...?" - Bear

My posts. Strewn pee sized seeds. They are unique enough to brave a trail for those that seek. Small, such as they are, no disruption for those that have other purposes in mind.

"Learn more? Do I want to learn more?" -Bear

Find what is useful to you & yours. Help others accordingly.
Indubitably you do.

Now I seek rest. Regards,

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul


"the lack of money is the root of all evil." - Mark Twain

I do believe I have heard that premise before from Josf. He advocates abundance:

Joe’s Law: Power produced into oversupply reduces the price of power while purchasing power increases because power reduces the cost of production.

and sees no need that we continue to use Federal Reserve Notes to pay for our own demise but that we should each one of us creatively come up with an alternative currency. http://www.dailypaul.com/259985/liberty-day-challenge-july-4...

I think that Chamber of Commerce bucks might be a workable solution. I wonder if the Chamber has been coopted? It seems in the 50s they were very much against collectivism in the form of communism/socialism.

Anyways it seems that Legal Criminals like to keep power and competition scarce so that individuals loose power as they gain power.

Yes and the lack of money may be due to those who have a love of money where you will find the root of evil.

"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Chamber of Commerce is far from absolute power. Staff & volunteers are quite knowledgeable & helpful. As they are friendly folk, they have many friends. When starting a business, they are a good place to help you investigate what needs to be done.

As in any good book, when you read chapter & verse... good is mixed with bad.

You're advancing in your quest.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul