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Rand Paul: New Personhood Law Will End Abortion ‘Once And For All’

U.S. Senator Rand Paul, a Tea Party favorite, is advocating for Congress to make a new law, a “personhood” law, called the Life at Conception Act,” establishing that human life begins at conception, and extending the 14th Amendment to all fetuses.

Paul in the audio message calls law “legal mumbo jumbo,” yet tells supporters, “we in Congress have the right to legally define when life begins,” regardless of what the truth is.



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Thanks for the education. I

Thanks for the education. I kinda thought some of the tea parties got co opted by the tea party express as the Repubs tried to railroad that movement.

Anyways, I have thought I was part of the Liberty Movement and I am 100% with Ron Paul in all areas. IMO, there is a big difference between SOME of those that call themselves Libertarian and true Liberty.


The libs cling to that too!lol
"the tea parties were hacked!"..

maybe a few of them were, those would be the ones who say they are a tea party leader and who have no CREDULITY wih tea partiers!

There are 5 tea parties within a 30 mile circumference of my house.
There are 239 tea paries in Texas.
Maybe 5 have been co opted and their time is nill.
The libs here use this as an excuse not to join one by saying they were all co opted.
They are stuck on maddow and maher!
The tea parties have put so much fear in the establishment it is a rude awakening for them.
We had them committing FELONIES all over the ENTIRE country to keep the tea party down.
They have failed and it is changing.
Ron Paul did his job and has won.
He just needs to collect his prize.

He has awakened too many people.
The gvt cant stop it no matter how hard they try it will only get bigger.
dont get me wrong, we need the liberty movement, but dont link it to ron paul.
link it to howard dean or dennis kucinich, those are the liberty movements heros and it could be worse!!lol
we will have 2 legitimate sides, who really love our country.
now we have 2 sides that hate us.
we need the libs- but we need them on THEIR OWN side, not here confusing paul constitutional conservatives!
libs bury the constitution. seldom is it mentioned here anymore.
they want to change the subject to prolife vs pro choice when they know which side RP comes down on.
They think they can grasp pauls msg with out being prolife.
this is a common lib mistake.
They need to seek out dennis kucinich and maxine waters, not ron or rand paul.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

Thank You Again

for the education! Wondering, what do you think of Campaign for Liberty? They call me, they send me stuff, I have not been inclined to respond. Last thing I got from them was an invoice for my contribution to be paid. I didn't like it. But I need to do something to get ready for 2016. Something more than what I am doing. Are you involved in your local GOP as well as tea party?


Like ron paul i work solo, but i was a member for 4 yrs, never did anyhing but be a memeber!
I quit 6 and mos ago and forgot why!!lol
something they did. but i forget it ticked me off and i quit..

something to do with garytardfest.
I think they went to it or c4l speakers were at GJtardfest and i didnt like it because paulfest/gjtardfest was intentionally designed to bring he paul mvmt to a stand still and it certainly helped.
anyone who went or supported paulfest is NO paul supporter as far as Im concerned and are the otherside.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

He can say whatever he likes but the Tea Party is split

right down the middle just as ProudAmericanFirst has stated.. maybe not to the extent as he implies though.

Just be careful of which side you join with.. ya know many neocons talk a good game.... If they're wearing Liberty gear or they've supported Dr.Paul etc,etc.. I'm sure you can weed the good ones out from the bad ones.

If you're looking to get involved, maybe try the Oathkeepers or The Tenth Amendment Center..



Both very worthwhile groups and real Patriots.

Edit: Oh and hey Big Girl!!!

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Hey Big Boy!

I was wanting to ask you a question about your ID. rp4pres: can that stand for either Ron or Rand? I began to wonder as I saw you made a comment here on this Rand post. I know you are a purist and there are some who have trouble with Rand and I think it was funding Iraq or something of the sort. I can't remember exactly.

mdefarge is part of a tea party organization. She explained to me how the party was divided. I can't remember all the ins and outs right now. Thanks for the links. What do you think about the John Birch Society?

So I have just talked to you about 2 things I can't remember exactly. Too bad I have such poor retention.

It stand for Ron

Rand has some work to do before a purist like me will vote for him. :)

I like them, they have been a staunch voice for Liberty for as long as I can remember.

Good speech here.


As for Rand on this topic, I'm torn... I don't like the Feds stepping into too many things and would rather have the states deal with issues the way things were meant to be.

I am however a staunch believer that Life and the act of making life which we cannot deny as truth if one is being honest and not selfishly self-centered in nature, well there is no other truth other than that.

If you don't understand that, you miss the foundation of Liberty and it doesn't have to have anything to do with religion. It's natures own, natural law.

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Thank you for the Birch Link

I knew your ID was for Ron, but wondered what you thought about Rand. I respect your opinion and would like to have eyes open if Rand should run. If you don't mind saying, what are some things that Rand needs to work on...after all, you are partly responsible for my write in of Ron Paul instead of coloring Goode's dot :)

I hope it's okay to answer this tomorrow?

It's late and time for bed but I didn't want to leave you hanging.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Yes, sleep tight :)

You are so thoughtful to remind me of the hour...and if I don't hear from you tomorrow, I will catch up with you a week before the 2016 election LOL :)


do you have an msnbc link for your statement?
how do you know if the tea party is fractured?
really. how do you know... Im a member and we took out 4 est candidates this year in pauls district and replaced them with tea partiers. 4 out of 12 offices.

have you ever been to a tea party? even once?
why not??? i know i know..
"because it has been co opted". we need a liberty movement now!!lol

are you a member of either of those two groups??

libs HATE tea parties for the same reason neocons do.

the tea pary stands for smaller gvt and continues to put people in office and raise MORE money then any mvmt going today,

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

I don't think you're a member of anything

It's obvious to anyone that has eyes by the way they vote and for who they vote for. By the time I came into this politically, they had already been co-opted. I also have a few customers that are Tea Partiers and they're neocons.. They usually have this mantra when we've discussed their group.. "TEA means Tax Enough Already and they'll tell you that taxes are their biggest issue"...

I also have a few friends that left the group because of the way things were going.. they weren't happy about what was being put forth by the leaders nor who they were choosing to back.

I watched this past election as a number of so called Tea Party groups backed everyone under the sun EXCEPT Dr.Paul.

I saw how he was treated by the various groups..

So I watch actions bud.. anytime a group of self-proclaimed "fighters for the Constitution" step up to vote for Newt..

That's a sure bet the group has been compromised or they're attention to do so. That goes for Cain too and Bachmann and any other fake ass Liberty lover.

Personally I wouldn't shed a tear if everyone like them were slowly drained of life..

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

"the tea pary stands for smaller gvt"


There is a difference between fact and fiction.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul


yes because the end result of higher taxes is ALWAYS bigger, more intrusive gvt.
If the tea parties are against taxes, then by default they are automatically for smaller gvt.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016


Tea party is fractured beyond pathetic.

Vote the person, not the party. Focus on voting records, not opinions.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul


you should look at who is entering local offices around the country.
The tea party is the only thing going.

besides by you saying that to bear makes me know for SURE you have NEVER been to a tea party and take your info from maddow and maher!lol
while you flip the tv for your info, the tea partiers are getting elected into office!

rand had enough money to go after three RANKING democrats in their OWN districts!lol He knocked them so hard they called LINDSAY!
and LINDSAY came to their aid!!!lololol
I would NOT call that fractured.
When has this EVER been done before??? by a "tea partier" no less!!!
he had the BIG $$$$ to do it, so what does that mean???huh???


and many of the ones entering office have no prior voting back ground. so studying heir record is mostly useless because they can always flip and many are doing that now.
look at taxby, king and now grahamtaxer! now they love taxes as revenue for a bigger gvt. they have never voted for a tax increase hat i know of and now theyve flipped.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016


I like old sayings, such as this one: "Quit while you are ahead".

I agreed with your post above Bear's. But I disagree with your response to mine.

Tea party is everywhere. However, like Occupy, they are mentally adrift. They are in fact fractured, as I have first hand knowledge, I have and do attend meetings.

A percentage may or may not be 'Ron Paul' republicans. The goal is to increase those numbers, by bringing in from the outside, and also by educating the existing members. The latter is more difficult. Many of the tea party are in fact establishment. They have voted anyonebutobama, and are now discussing candidates that do not line up with Liberty. I have let my voice be heard. While some of what I say is well received, it is still like speaking to a wall.

Debunking what I say is not accurate, or productive.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul


ok maybe that was harsh.
but if the tea party is fractured how come they win?
how come they raise money and win?

true many of them are going to school right now and thats what we are there for but to say the tea party is fractured simply because "possibly" 50% do not agree with our foreign policy, but DO agree with everything else is harsh as well.
there is discussion going on, they are seeing their own fortunes go down the toilet.
they will be he ones to save the country and they will wake up.
Once the tea party realizes the full scope as a whole, the country will make the turn.
That is happening now.

The tea party still has to be schooled but to say they are fractured is not correct.
they have money and they are putting people in office and not solely alligning with the GOP and buck them often.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016


By fractured, read your own post above Bear's. That is where you and I agree.

It is fractured because the original intent of Tea Party was to find solutions that could not be found within the two-party duopoly. Over time that has dissipated. Many in the tea-party are in fact establishment and are a huge $$ force. The majority are NOT Liberty-minded, Ron Paul republicans. Many tea-party backed santorum in this state. Others backed romney. They all abandoned principal and came together under anyonebutobama. Thus my statement.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul


the largest state convention, Texas with 16k people boo'd KBH when she simply mentioned romneys name in her retirement speech given at the beginning of the convention. romneys name was never mentioned againg for the ENTIRE three days.
Paul spoke the first day and his applause was heard from three blocks away.
The energy the tea parties have is unmatched.
They are coming around.
You will see what i mean.
i know what youre saying but the est is tired.
they are making mistakes and they are LOSING in several places.
It is only a matter of time.

You have no idea what is happening behind the iron curtain.
none of them trust each other and know with out a doubt their "friends" would slice their neck in a hot minute and none of them trust anything or anyone.

They are finding out they are expendable and they want their jobs!
They are so confused.
the tea party mission is not confused, the est's mission is.

they are being forced out and are committing felonies while they go.
It is only a matter of time.

I see it so clearly. The tea party has set its roots and its roots are US. Im not confused, and neither are you- and neither is the tea party.
The neocons and libs are confused.

Thats why we will win. I see it and so do you.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016


We both can see the light at the end of the tunnel :-)

I do not know where you reside, I am sure that your area and others have different experiences. Some are fortunate to live in conservative surroundings.

I am not so fortunate. My area is predominantly democrat, mixed with many mccain republicans. The 'tea party' here, as they so proudly call themselves, will back whoever the establishment promotes. That is my fight, I will not stop.

One thing is for sure; once the Ron Paul [Liberty] bug has bitten, there is no going back. The difficult part is to open their ears.

Stay strong and true 1777free4all :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Maybe you just have really shitty ideas.

I'm certainly noticing that.

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Abortion is bad - wish Rand had left this alone .. no POTUS run

he just intends to fight for what he believes in as Senator. Anyone pro-actively pro-choice can not win the White House - but then again candidates saying that states should decide are just dodging and the general electorate wants abortion safe, legal and even have other people paying for it through taxes.

I think abortion is bad and should only be excerised when conception results from rape or a doctor is of the opinion that having the baby will harm or cause the death of the female. However, I think abortion is bad and I do not believe that millions of abortions are the results of rape, incest or healt of the mother issues.

I agree with Rand on the Supreme Court ruling, but I wish he would have just left it alone. H eis willing to fight for what he believes in - have to give him that.

So will Rubio or Krispy Kreme be the GOP nominee?

Hmmm... It makes me all the more a Rand supporter!

I am glad he did not leave it alone. Someone needs to speak up for the innocent unborn. Why not a president? Seems to me Reagan was pro-life, not that I am advocating Reagan…but my husband has a pro-life bumper sticker on his car in between his two 2012 Ron Paul stickers.

That sticker reads: “I have noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born – Ronald Reagan”

Unfortunately, I was a late comer to Ron Paul, but I will be there ready to campaign for Dr. Rand Paul.



"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

In case of rape is okay?

The case against abortions is that it is the taking of a life against its will. It is not the fetus/baby's fault that it was conceived from a rape, so it seems very inconsistent to say you are okay with taking it's life under the circumstance of a rape, but not in other circumstances.

The mother's health being at risk I can see because that is considered self defense, rather than murder.

Rape is a crime - so the conception would be the result of a

crime - that is the difference. Your argument therefore lacks basis when that issue is considered.

it is not that babies fault

it is not that babies fault that its dad is a scumbag. The baby does not deserve a death sentence.

even if

even if you pin the crime of rape on the baby, the penalty for rape is not death. it is a sensitive issue, but we have to consider what is at stake.

Fine....do you intend to

Fine....do you intend to impose the maximum penalty for murder on the woman who has an abortion? How about [punishing a woman who smokes while pregnant? If so, where do you intend to find the police to enforce these regulations?