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Rand Paul: New Personhood Law Will End Abortion ‘Once And For All’

U.S. Senator Rand Paul, a Tea Party favorite, is advocating for Congress to make a new law, a “personhood” law, called the Life at Conception Act,” establishing that human life begins at conception, and extending the 14th Amendment to all fetuses.

Paul in the audio message calls law “legal mumbo jumbo,” yet tells supporters, “we in Congress have the right to legally define when life begins,” regardless of what the truth is.

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Funny

Funny that I still think murder is wrong, but you think sticking your nose where it doesn't belong is worse than murder. Remind me of that when someone sticks their nose where it doesn't belong and murders someone in your family. I think sticking your nose where it doesn't belong also applies to sticking your nose into another person's life and TAKING it. It's murder, period.

this issue will divide the movement

Factions of the liberty movement need to grow up ... big time!

Just because you want people not have abortions, will not stop them. What will happen is that alternate ways will be pursued....and some of those ways will be dangerous!

INFORMATION WAR.... i do not agree with abortion through evasive medical procedures.

There are many ways to induce menstruation that will curtail a pregnancy. I love humanity... and if you have not been a child of a woman that ought to have had access to the pill or abortion... YOU KNOW JACK SH*T about this issue.

The growing up is for those that miss this fundamental

concept.

If you're not willing to take responsibility for a life, then don't make it. If you do make it willingly or unwillingly through your sexual actions, then you are responsible for the care of that life.

What abortions say to the world is "Act like you want to, be as irresponsible as you like..the only repercussions are a fetus in the trash and a few FRN's out of pocket."

People should stand accountable for their actions and pay for their irresponsibility...not make another life pay.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

You're ignoring the obvious...

Can we not learn a single thing from the War on Drugs debacle? Making abortions illegal won't stop people from having abortions. It will only stop young women from having the benefit of a safe, accountable medical environment in which to have their abortions. Congress is not, you are not, actually capable of making such a serious choice on the behalf of every individual. They will make their choices without you. Leaving them to the coathanger is vendictive and barbaric.

we know

what murder is.

division is natural through advancement

Personally, I never met anyone who wanted an abortion. I've never met anyone who said, "Oh I'm saving my money because I dream of getting pregnant so I can get an abortion. I cn hardley wait to meet the doctor. I would pay more for the experience if I could. It's the most amazing and wonderful experience anyone could possibly ever imagine. Everyone should at least get an abortion once for the happiness, love, respect, joy, glory, wonderful experience it is."

You know anyone?

It's truth that the law can not prevent individual moral corruption. Like manslaughter, abortion will always exist, and this, as Ron Paul has said, should be determined by the states, not the feds, where I find Rand's personhood law, protecting life from conception, important, in removing corporate personhood, and giving those who respect human life at any age, the right to protect it.

What we don't want the feds to do is tell us what a life is worth, least they destroy what they find worthless at any age.

What gives you the right

to set the parameters for who knows about this issue? What gives you to the right to judge who needs to grow up?

Here we have a Senator, a Fine Son of the Good Doctor Ron Paul standing for life like his father did.

Ron Paul said, "Unless we understand…we must protect life, we cannot protect liberty."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkAsLPrnJGc&feature=player_em...

Ron Paul sponsored Federal Sanctity of Life Acts in 2005, 2007, 2009, 2011. What is wrong with what Senator Rand Paul is doing? What is wrong with being supportive of an effort to make human life valuable?

Who will speak for the 50 MILLION slaughtered human lives on American soil without trial or representation?

Are you qualified to speak for the 50 MILLION?

Nobody is talking about stopping people from having abortions. There is no way to stop people from murdering. But, that does not mean murder should be legal whether born or pre-born, People will do what people will do. That does not mean that everything that people will do needs to be made legal.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..." http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transc...

If the devide is over 50 MILLION human bodies, please count me on the side of life.

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Some of these people sit in

Some of these people sit in the comfort of their homes having all their needs both emotional and financial completely covered.

Many single young girls are alone, frightened, poor, and possibly mentally ill or traumatized. I feel that people should come together at a local level and provide emotional and financial support for all these girls. You don't want them on welfare or have the kids adopted and put in foster homes where they would be subjected to rape and drugs; so help them out through your churches to let them know they don't have to worry because you are there for them.

"With enough of us, around the world, we’ll not just send a strong message opposing the privatization of knowledge — we’ll make it a thing of the past." ~ Aaron Swartz

You have a good idea.

There are plenty of opportunities to help. People just need to find out what is available in their area and help.

Like this one: http://gvdoorofhope.org/ which is the one I support. There is a little boy named G***** whose mother stayed with one of our church members. Her son was born and she has her feet on the ground building a life for herself and her son. For Thanksgiving she and the lady she stayed with had a dinner at her home for people who did not have anywhere to go. She was really excited about it. That is just one story.

That being said, there is no reason why murder should be legal. 50 MILLION human lives have been slaughtered on American soil without trial or representation. I appreciate Rand's efforts. He is picking up where his father left off in the arena of life. Ron Paul sponsored Federal Sanctity of Life Acts in 2005, 2007, 2009 and 2011. He also said this: "Unless we understand…we must protect life, we cannot protect liberty."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkAsLPrnJGc&feature=player_em...

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I love the politics Rand is playing

Shore up those evangelicals, and with the liberty wing, the neocons, our NUMBER 1 POLITICAL ENEMY, will be fossils, they can go back to the dem party, where they originated and belong. We would win the 2016 primary in a landslide.

I want it said by me

that I do not appreciate anyone playing politics with the lives of the unborn. That has gone on way to long and both parties are culpable to a tune of 50 MILLION.

I do not think Rand is playing politics.

You might have a point

Even William Kristol knows what time it is. He acknowledged recently that Rand Paul would be a formidable candidate in 2016 on Fox, even though he said he doesn't like him.

How juicy was that

clip. They all looked so miserable, they know what is happening and cannot do anything about it. God it makes me so happy, and just think, we will see Dr. Ron Paul all over the country campaigning for his son.

An audit of the federal reserve......our dream can become reality.

Good for him

Life is a prerequisite for liberty. If someone with a knowledge of biology can show me how the fetuses are not human beings, then I'll reconsider my position. Fetus is just a stage in the life of a human being, as is infancy, adolescence, etc.

Yes, it's a wedge issue. I suppose slavery was too.

wedge issues to divide and conquer

And so goes the movement started by Ron Paul, subjugated with the same tactics used by republicans for years, divided and controlled. We'll debate ourselves silly over niche wedge issues like abortion and flag-burning, compartmentalizing the big-tent of liberty that Ron Paul created.

Abortion is a State issue, not a Federal one. Very disappointed today.

Something worth standing for

Ron Paul himself sponsored Sanctity of Life Acts in 2005, 2007, 2009, 2011.

Ron Paul said: "Unless we understand…we must protect life, we cannot protect liberty."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkAsLPrnJGc&feature=player_em...

IMO What Ron Paul is saying is that any life not worth protecting will soon be yours. The abortion issue is an issue because it is meant to be an issue because it is another slippery slope whereby life and individualism is snuffed out, thus the snuffing of Liberty

I do not find that the slaugther of 50 MILLION humans on American soil without trial or representation to be a wedge issue. It is a liberty issue.

You in Congress have NO rights

beyond those of every citizen of the United States, not naturally and not legally. This is supposed to be a libertarian-leaning Senator?! Congress does NOT have the right to define anything, but the obligation to represent the will of their constituencies and the interest of their states.

This is Rand pulling in the abortion amendment vote without affecting anything at all in the legal arena, the same dog and pony show he puts on for the libertarian vote with the TSA and NDAA. It is more of his DC politics. He is trying to pull together the right of center without doing anything that the left would actually be pissed about.

Have you polled his constituency?

Have you polled his constituency?

Perhaps his constituency is not satisfied with the supreme court ruling that opened the door to the legal slaughter of 50 MILLION Humans. The court, in a split vote, said it could not determine when life began so they would leave it to science. Science has now determined that life begins at conception. Rand Paul’s legislation is only bringing the court in sync with science.

The declaration of Independence says “…We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…”

My question is why do you have a problem with protecting the life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for the unborn if indeed they are created with the same equal rights that you enjoy?

Dr. Ron Paul, the CHAMPION of LIBERTY said "Unless we understand…we must protect life, we cannot protect liberty."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkAsLPrnJGc&feature=player_em...

IMO What Ron Paul is saying is that any life not worth protecting will soon be yours. The abortion issue is an issue because it is meant to be an issue because it is another slippery slope whereby life and individualism is snuffed out, thus the snuffing of Liberty.

I find it hypocritical that some “libertarians” do not understand the basic element of Liberty…Life and the pursuit thereof while doing no harm.

More power to you Dr. Rand Paul. Please protect life in all arenas.

By the way, Dr. Ron Paul sponsored federal Sanctity of Life Acts in 2005, 2007, 2009, 2011. I think Rand is doing just find in that accord.

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Self-Determination

His constituency can decide for themselves, as can every other constituency in the nation. He can even vote among them. 535 people in Congress do not have the right to deny the nation, half of the nation, or any state or citizen the right to define life for themselves. The Constitution does not give them that right, but does expressly grant all rights not expressly given to the federal government to the states and the people. They are not to be our rulers.

It takes one quick glance at any two people to determine that they are actually not created equal. The DoI was written by well bred, well fed white men, who were quite clear on the fact that some people (actual people, walking around on their own) did not have or deserve the same rights they granted to themselves. It also has no legal relevance to the actual question.

Even if someone managed to twist the law along the way to read into the constitution that Senators have the right to make decisions about what happens between my legs or my wife's, I plainly deny its validity. You can define life for yourself. You may not define it for me. People disagree on this. The belief of the majority must not trample the right of the minority to make decisions about their own lives.

A ban on abortion brings the court in line with religion, not science. Science cannot define when life begins. It can reveal understanding about the process, but it is up to the individual to examine the process and determine their own beliefs. If you don't want an abortion, don't get one, but stay out of my pants. Surely I have some liberty left in there somewhere.

The point of protecting liberty, is not to prohibit the free choices of others just because they believe differently from what you believe, but to protect everyone's right to choose for themselves.

tell me Mr. Senator, if you will

how many will the Iranian sanctions kill?

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus

Tell me Ed Ucation, if you will

are you good with the slaughter of 50 MILLION Human Lives on American soil without trial or representation?

Now, can we not encourage Rand Paul to do the right thing in all arenas? Why not celebrate the effort to end the legal murder of human life at home and at the same time work to end the murder and suffering of human life abroad.

What a perverted version of reality!

Let's try them. Un invited, you latch into a woman's uterus, where you fester causing months of sickness until you burst out alien style. Parasitic blood, guts and all without the permission and against the will of your host. The media can by no stretch easily brand them clearly psychopathic dangers to society. Off with their heads.

People "abroad" have the right to govern themselves as they see fit, btw. It isn't your job to govern them. You're quite the dictator, no?

What should the punishment be for these women?

Should we execute 50 million women, or give 50 million women lengthy prison sentences?

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First of all there is no way

First of all there is no way to know the number of women as some have multiple abortions. That being said, the question to ask is did those women or their doctors do anything illegal? If not, nothing should be done.

Maybe I'm wrong about this, but...

...the Constitution already protects life. It's a God-given/natural right... not something the states get to define. Man ultimately has to defend each life, and draws a line whether on purpose or unintentionally.

The Supreme Court drew a line in 1973. There is no difference between them drawing a line, and Congress drawing a line, other than where the line is drawn. So the argument that man can't "pass a law" defining life is ridiculous... it already has.

I believe Dr. Paul's position has been to have the unborn declared as "life," providing them protection under the Constitution. And then it would be up to the states to decide what the PENALTY for abortion would be. That's completely different than letting each state decide the definition of life.

I'm starting to think the founders were wrong about this.

If it is a natural right, then why weren't the hundreds of thousands of people the US kills born with it? If it can be taken away, it is a privilege, at best a legal right, granted to some and not others by the law and the actions of society, not god.

Time to think again

Just because you have something does not mean that someone will try to take it away.

Are you thinking that you have a “privilege” to be alive granted by a “government?”

Were you not created with life. Who has the right to take it. Were you created with eyes? Does someone have the right to pluck them out? What about your hands. I assume you have hands. Are they a privilege to be taken away, or are they a natural created right attached to your body?

Have you read the Declaration of Independence lately?

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transc...

Being alive is a privilege, yes.

I was created by a doctor, literally, from the very beginning.

Some people were born without hands. Were they born with less rights. As an x-Marine I can assure you that your life is a privilege that can be taken away, just like parents take away the tv. Your eyes too. If I want to, I can take them from you, and there is probably nothing anyone could do to stop me. Society and their rights come only after the fact.

Picture you are presented with a gun in your face on the sidewalk in the middle of the night. You're cool, so you smile and say you were born with the inalienable right to life. Someone pulls the trigger. You die. No more rights to anything. Society goes on to discuss what other after-the-fact rights they want to protect with punitive action for those that break the rules. At least you'll still have your hands.

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Thank you for your service as a Marine.