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Mainstream News: "How Safe Is Fluoride In Our Water?"

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http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/abc11_investi...

My Blog:
http://golden-rule.org/2012/11/16/how-safe-is-fluoride/

DURHAM, N.C. (WTVD) — Corey Sturmer didn’t know much about fluoride in his drinking water until a year ago, when his dentist told him he has fluorisis, a condition that causes white spotting, yellowing, browning of the teeth, and erosion of the enamel.

“I asked my dentist … is there fluoride in the drinking water? And he said, yeah … it’s good for your teeth. So then I began to wonder, if it’s so good for your teeth, why am I, at 25 years old, having all these issues with my teeth?” Sturmer said.

Sturmer was a college athlete. He eats healthy food and exercises. He started doing research and found evidence that convinced him fluoride might not be as safe as he was led to believe. He came across an I-Team story ABC11 did five years ago in which a Durham dentist told us he believed we’re getting too much Fluoride.

“Fluoride in the water is essentially a drug. It’s an uncontrolled use of a drug,” offered dentist Michael Fleming.

Sturmer said what he learned made him take action.

“That motivated me to reach to you and to continue spreading the word and building up the website and talking to people,” said Sturmer.

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I Stopped Using Toothpaste

I brush my teeth with household baking soda and salt (2 parts baking soda, 1 part salt). It's cheaper than toothpaste and not toxic if accidentally swallowed (unlike toothpaste). I haven't had any cavities and my gums remain a healthy pink color and my teeth are relatively white.

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Zero cavities

Unfluoridated water here. We had to take the pills a handful of times in elementary school, then it stopped (backlash, I guess). I really had poor discipline in brushing my teeth when I was younger, but in the past few years I have started to care. My teeth used to be super sensitive to sugar and cold stuff because of being a young idiot and not brushing, and drinking nothing but soda and other sugar drinks. They still are, but not as much since enamel doesn't grow. I don't ever have dental cleanings and I don't floss. I started buying fluoride-free toothpaste like a year ago. The only problem I had with my teeth was a rotten wisdom tooth, but because it was half buried under the gum for years. Teeth are supposed to be ivory, or off-white, not blinding. Whitening crap combined with the fluoride just guarantees that you need to constantly visit the dentist for life.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

2 children,

unfluoridated water, good dental hygiene, 2 fillings between them.

I live and work in Raleigh,

I live and work in Raleigh, luckily for me my company has reverse osmosis filters on every floor.

It's the only place I get my water from.

The Revolution Continues..

Strong, deliberate statements made by top medical folk.

  • "I would advise against fluoridation.. Side-effects cannot be excluded .. In Sweden, the emphasis nowadays is to keep the environment as clean as possible with regard to pharmacologically active and, thus, potentially toxic substances."
    - Dr. Arvid Carlsson, co-winner of the Nobel Prize for Medicine (2000)
  • "The American Medical Association is NOT prepared to state that no harm will be done to any person by water fluoridation. The AMA has not carried out any research work, either long-term or short-term, regarding the possibility of any side effects." - Dr. Flanagan, Assistant Director of Environmental Health, American Medical Association. [letter]
  • "I am appalled at the prospect of using water as a vehicle for drugs. Fluoride is a corrosive poison that will produce serious effects on a long range basis. Any attempt to use water this way is deplorable." - Dr. Charles Gordon Heyd, Past President of the American Medical Association.
  • "Water contains a number of substances that are undesirable, and fluorides are just one of them" stated Dr. F. A. Bull, State Dental Director of Wisconsin, speaking at the Fourth Annual Conference of State Dental Directors.

    These are strong, deliberate statements. They are made by the top medical authorities in our nation based on the latest medical research.

  • Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

    Ain't in school. Not since 5th grade.☠ Fluoride is toxic poison!

    Fluoride is a compound of fluorine.

    How toxic is "just" fluoride compared to lead or arsenic?
    Please read these two charts on toxicology. Note:

    • Scale on right is very toxic to extremely toxic.
    • Scale on the left is "parts per billion (ppb).

    "It is not what you don't know that will hurt you. It is what you know for certain, that just ain't so. - Mark Twain
    ______________________________________________________________________

    Fluoride: Label Of A One Tonne Bag Of Sodium Fluorosilicate Delivered To One Of The Treatment Plants

    ☠ Added to public water supplies supposedly as medicine ( toxic poison; please read the label) ☠

    "I never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain
    ______________________________________________________________________
    ☠ Danger! ☠ Handle w/ care! ☠ Do not drink! ☠

    Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

    "How Safe Is Fluoride In Our Water?" How about NOT SAFE AT ALL

    Fluoride in any quantity should NOT be consumed. It's a toxic substance to the human body and ingesting it is just plain stupid. Even more idiotic is intentionally putting fluoride in our water supply... Yeah, lets intentionally poison ourselves little by little.. that's a smart move...

    What a bunch of dopes who think fluoride is ok... its not ok and never will be... but let's keeping helping to dumb down the population by continuing to add it to the water.. just like Adolf Hitler's government did in the 30's... What a f'in coink-i-dink!!!!

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    I too am in Dental School

    ... and the funny thing about this topic is that the most substantial information we've received about water Fluoridation came from our "Community Dentistry" class. They've stuffed multiple lectures down our throats containing statistics to support water fluoridation. Most of my classmates call the course, "communist dentistry."

    Here's my opinion. Without fluoridated toothpaste/mouth rinse/topical varnish a large part of the population develops dental caries (cavities) more quickly. The collectivist's solution was to place 1ppm fluoride supplement to the public water system. The truth is that this has certainly reduced the demineralization of enamel for the average joe, but at what cost and is that the most effective way?

    In leyman's terms, our enamel is constantly remineralizing (like our bones) and the ions have the opportunity to be replaced with -OH or with -Fl. Fluoride increases the wear resistance of our enamel if it is steadily used to remineralized our teeth.

    So, what we know is that...
    1) Fluoride = stronger enamel at the atomic level.
    2) Too much fluoride is not good (just like everything else). When we receive our fluoride from the water supply, we ingest it systemically, not topically.
    3) Topical fluoride is available in toothpaste, varnish and mouth rinse in every town.

    Personally, I believe that fluoride should be removed from the public water supply because it not only forces us to ingest it directly (systemically = actually swallowing it) but because it works its way into our bodies in an indirect systemic manner. (If you prepare food using the public water supply, then you're receiving quite a bit more than you think).

    Fluoride is like most things. There are clear benefits to using fluoride, but quantity and method are very important factors. Last point, if you're not brushing, the decay will be so sudden and rampant that a fluoridated water supply will be of no benefit. I say we place fluoride in toothpaste and mouthwash with labels. There would be zero price difference and we would all have the opportunity to steer our own ship.

    Right on you are having the same experience as me.

    Hey if you need some ammo against overzealous public health officials I have a good essay for you. I wrote it last year with another libertarian dental student for our "communist dentistry" course (haha) and it is geared toward dentists. We described how water-fluoridation is a blatant violation of multiple segments of Nuremberg Code.

    I honestly think it is irrefutable.

    http://www.dailypaul.com/187406/dental-students-against-publ...

    Excuse the double post, but...

    ... I went ahead and read your essay. Absolutely spectacular. In fact, I will print this and hand it to a couple professors this week. Seriously, I give you a 10/10. Very well done.

    **Phenomenal** I will take a

    **Phenomenal**

    I will take a look at it tomorrow (I have my last final of the semester in the morning). The liberty message has spread like wild-fire with many of my classmates, and I'm sure you've experienced similar changes with your group. Thanks again for the link. I'll check it tomorrow.

    I was watching the video..

    and of course at 2:22 Ron Paul sign in his front yard!! haha.. But, what an awesome cause and it looks like where even starting to get a growing support on this. Keep fighting!!

    There are millions of people in this country

    who wear DENTURES!Why do they need to drink fluoride.Does it make plastic teeth stronger.

    Now THAT's A Good One!

    You really gave me a good chuckle on your comment!

    Amazingly NO ONE has to my knowledge ever addressed that issue, and you're right...it must make those plastic teeth stronger! (It probably creates a more deadly mix....plastic + fluoride!)

    "Bad men cannot make good citizens. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom." Patrick Henry

    The collectivist answer to this is "the greater good."

    I have heard this issue addressed. It is justified that the harm is so low to the people who don't "need" water fluoridation that it greatly outweighs the overall benefit to society. This of course is ridiculous, as there is no such thing as "the greater good" because everyone has a different idea of what the greater good is, but collectivists are somehow able to do the necessary mental gymnastics.

    I brought this up with a public health official in Ohio and she actually took it a step further and said, paraphrasing, "well fluoride really isn't a medicine. It' an element, like iodine or chlorine in the water. It doesn't count as mass medication." This is dead-wrong, but it is how she justified it.

    **My response to the "greater good" argument is this: if we are acting in the name of the greater good, and we are justifying that it is right to harm one person to help a larger number of other people, why don't we take it a step further? There are thousands and thousands of people who need organ donations. Why don't we just sacrafice someone in our society and donate their organs to needy people? We could transplant their eyes to the blind, kidneys, skin, lungs, heart, et cetera. We could help many people at the expense of one. This would help the "greater good," right?

    ***Also, about the dentures argument, there is a weak science argument that I have also heard for justifying fluoridated water to edentulous (toothless) people...

    Bacteria biofilms accumulate on denture teeth and there is a weak link between dental plaque and and systemic health (particularly cardiovascular.) The fluoride ion, in addition to hardening enamel, plays a small role in interfering with the transport and intracellular process of the pathogenic Strep. mutans bacteria. Theoretically this could benefit patients with dentures, but it has never been clinically demonstrated. I don't agree with the argument, just playing devil's advocate.

    Fluorine is element #9. Periodic Table of Elements. Halogen gas.

    Fluoride is a compound. Its common form is calcium-fluoride.

    Fluorine is an element. It is highly toxic. It combines readily with all elements except a couple of noble gases (as I recall). If nothing else nearby, fluorine combines with itself creating a fluoride (F2).

    Look at this wonderful Periodic Table of Elements (in color; interactive; vivid historic photographs; wonderful narratives)

    Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

    I meant she was wrong about the medication

    I didn't mean she was wrong about fluoride being an element. I should have said "mineral." That is the actual word she said. She was technically right about this classification, but her ethical reasoning was terrible. I should have been more clear.

    I meant that her argument about fluoride not counting as a medication was dead-wrong. Obviously putting fluoride in the water supply as a medical treatment means that it is medication. DUH.

    Sorry for the confusion.

    Thanks.

    A little less confusion won't be missed at all. I have so much on nearly every topic.

    By the way, in an innocent comment on two atoms of fluorine, F2, I called a fluoride. Apparently, fluoride is technically referred to one part fluorine + something else.

    Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

    That is one way to describe fluoride

    It has do with a phenomenom called oxidation states. This is related to the idea of "one part fluorine + something else," but if you talk about any atom that is not fluorine, chlorine, or bromine, this description doesn't work anymore. This is because fluorine only has one oxidation state it can go to. (Though it can theoretically have different oxidation state I don't think scientists have made this occur, yet).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxidation_state

    When well schooled folk tell of oxidation, I see or hear rust.

    Thank you again. Your words are clear.

    I have heard the fluorine is used oft in medicine as a carrier. Fluorine combines w/ most anything (including drugs). Our body chemistry readily strips off the fluorine (hopefully at the doctor's prescribed time) to take our medicine... leaving a free fluorine atom to have its way with us. There in lies the problem, fluoride on the rampage. How to You Solve a Problem Like Ridding Yourself of Fluorine?"

    [How Do You Solve a Problem Like Maria?] A short 23 second clip from the Charleston Light Opera Guilds Production of The Sound of Music.

    Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

    From the Editor's Desk: fluorine combines with itself as F2 gas.

    If nothing else nearby, fluorine combines with itself creating a fluoride fluorine gas (F2).

    Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

    You are mostly correct.

    The diatomic F2 is not called fluoride. This is the elemental form and it is called fluorine (gas), and it is a covalent bond between the two atoms. Similiarly, Two chlorine atoms covalently bonded is called chlorine (gas). Generally the suffix "ide" is reserved for the anion of the elemental form and can in most situations be thought of as in an ionic bond with a respective cation, such as hydrogen, sodium, or calcium. (There are exceptions, particularly with chlorine compounds which were discovered and named long before modern nomenclature.)

    I'm only nitoicking to help clear up some of the widespread confusion people have about chemistry.

    Thanks. I prefer your explanation.

    Helpful to know. Many scientific sites & dictionaries define Fluoride as a compound containing elemental Fluorine. Some mention F2 as a fluoride. I was thinking along the line which you wrote when I added, "Halogen gas." When I wrote, I contemplated how much to add into the post, without confusion. I know more about literature...

      "Generally the suffix "ide" is reserved for an ion of the elemental form. There are exceptions, particularly with chlorine compounds which were discovered and named long before modern nomenclature." - Delysid

    Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

    The aim is to lower the population

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    accident post

    Thank you for posting this,,

    The world needs to ask questions. If we do not we are truly asleep

    I prefer my tooth paste and mouth wash to be Rat Poison Free

    ABSOLUTE POISON..zero need for this crap anywhere. You want the cleanest teeth imaginable..baking soda and 3% H2o2!! A dentist cant get them any smoother and white & You CAN NOT find any thing more healthy to rinse your mouth out with then H2O2.. no such thing as a cavity or gum disease..can not happen if you use this. An awesome poison free Tooth Paste is made by "Kiss My Face" all natural tooth gel made with aloe and peppermint..5 STAR. Research the evils of that Rat Poison..it has nothing good to offer you..never has and never will. AVOID AT ALL COSTS.

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    I would love to agree with you but facts are lacking here

    Rodenticides primarily use vitamin k antagonists like warfarin and difenacuom, NOT a fluoride anion. Some chemicals that are used as rat poison have a fluoride functional group, but this is very different chemically than the fluoride salts used in toothpastes.

    Caries and gingivitis can still occur even with use of hydrogen peroxide. It isn't a miracle potion. It's better than using nothing, but it isn't necessarily any more effective at preventing caries and gingivitis than fluoridated toothpaste. It is a good supplement. The physical act of brushing and flossing is still the most important treatment.

    If you prefer Kiss My Face by all means use it, but please don't use scare tactics to make your point. If I was not a part of the liberty movement and I heard someone ranting about "fluoride is a rat poison" I would probably just disregard them.