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Time for the Unthinkable: a Third-Party

How to Take the Ron Paul Revolution to the Next Level

Nelson Hultberg | AFR

In the aftermath of the sickening travesty that Obama's reelection represents, pundits on the right are building up their strategic juices to project how conservatives and libertarians can "take over the Republican Party" and begin taking the country back.

My answer to them is: It will never happen! Oh, we can take the country back, all right, but not through control of the GOP. The ideological sycophants that comprise the GOP couldn't take back a sack of sunflowers from spinsters in a rest home.

Far too many pundits on the right have ceased to think. Irrationality saturates their minds regarding how to confront the political leprosy that Obama represents. This is because they believe we must, now and forever, work within the statist establishment. This is grievously in error. The present political insanity in America mandates a new direction, a dramatic new strategy. Dare I say it? We need a THIRD-PARTY to provide an escape from the GOP's debilitating lack of chutzpah.

Conservatives desperately need to purge the me-too welfarists from their command centers. But tragically all we hear today from “respectable” voices on the right is the same me-too welfarism we've heard for over four decades about how the GOP must "become more inclusive" and "build a bigger tent." Translated, this means we need to shelve our principles in favor of more compromises with the leprosy of the liberals.

"But most important of all," say the respectable voices, "never are we to abandon the Republican Party for a Third-Party. That is a sure recipe for handing the country over to the liberals. We must always work within the two-party system.”

Actually the above Republican boilerplate is correct if one wants to preserve the present Demopublican system. But we at AMERICANS FOR A FREE REPUBLIC don't want to "preserve" the present system. We want to destroy it – for the same reason one wants to destroy smog and mendacity and slavery.

Today's political system is a corrupt monopoly, and it has to be broken. Thus the title of our book, Breaking the Demopublican Monopoly. But one cannot do this by joining the system and trying to reform it "from within." That's like trying to reform the Mafia by joining their organization and reasoning with them to give up their criminal ways. Their criminality is their livelihood, and they would no more abandon it than wolves would abandon the attacking of deer. The Mafia can only be fought from without. And likewise Demopublican statism can only be reformed from without.

Why "Reform from Within" Can Never Work

Numerous libertarian and conservative groups in America (e.g., the Republican Liberty Caucus, the John Birch Society, etc.) advocate “working within the system” and have been trying for the past 50 years to infiltrate the Republican Party with their visions so as to change its goals. Three or four new congressmen are elected every two years by the efforts of these and other right-wing advocacy groups, but unfortunately the overall number of libertarian and conservative legislators in the GOP never grows. This is because during that two years an equal amount of congressmen who came to Washington in favor of the freedom cause have slid into the "good ol' boys club" and have started voting for more and more spending schemes.

Why? Because our political system is corrupted by the progressive income tax system. This forces new, incoming libertarians and conservatives to almost always compromise with congressional liberals on spending policy. As fast as we send freedom advocates to Washington they are bought off. Here's why:

IRS statistics show that 50% of American citizens pay zero income taxes. This has led to what is called, in economic parlance, "infinite demand for government services." In other words, if services are free to large amounts of voters, they will want all they can get. This is basic human nature. So under our present tax system, 50% of the American voters want more government spending every election year. Add in the guilt-obsessed liberals in upper income classes, and you have a guaranteed 60% of the electorate pushing relentlessly for more spending every election year. Thus all politicians going to Washington conclude early on that they will never be reelected if they push for less government spending.

Therefore almost all libertarian and conservative politicians end up crossing the aisle and voting with the Democrats to boost government spending every year. They know they have to in order to be reelected. This is why all advocates of "working within the system" have never made any headway in slowing the runaway freight train of government growth. The system is corrupted by the progressive income tax.

Solving the Tax Dilemma

The only way to end this dilemma is to end the income tax. This is the single most important goal of the 21st century – purging this tyrannical tool of statism from our land. Unfortunately it can’t be done overnight, but it can be done over the next decade if we are resourceful.

The first step toward abolition of the income tax is, of course, to generate in the people a strong desire to get rid of it. But we can’t do that as long as 50% of American voters are exempt from paying it. The majority of voters will continue to support this hated tax as long as it applies only to the upper 50% of income earners in the country as it presently does. Thus if we truly want to get rid of the income tax (rather than just protest about it), we need to first destroy its progressivity of rates. This is the only way to get a majority of voters to vote against it.

This means we must totally flatten our present progressive tax structure to a simple 10% equal-rate tax with no exemptions whatsoever. (Please keep in mind, such a flat tax is not our ultimate goal. It is merely a temporary expedient to bring about our ultimate goal of total abolition.)

The 50% of voters who presently don’t pay must be required to pay. This would immediately end the income tax’s popularity among all voters, and it would end the "infinite demand for government services" that progressive tax rates bring about. The 50% of the voters who presently pay zero income taxes for their services would very quickly lose their desire for more services if they had to pay for them out of their own pockets. This would bring about widspread demand for reduction of government services rather than their constant expansion. Most important of all it would create widespread demand to lower the rate of the tax every year. Millions of irresponsible voters would suddenly become quite responsible. They would begin demanding massive cuts in spending so that their tax rates could be cut from 10% to a more tolerable 5%. At this time the flat income tax could then be replaced with a national sales tax of about 8%. The IRS could then be ended. This could be done over the next decade or two.

(Please note: The present Fair Tax will never be salable to voters at today’s level of government spending because its rate is 23%. Total government spending must be reduced first, which only an equal-rate income tax can bring about.)

There will be many who disagree with such an incrementalist approach. “Why not just abolish the income tax right away,” they reply? Why do we have to go in stages to end this hated tax? Because the voters have to be induced to end the tax, which can only be done by requiring them to pay it. In addition no presidential candidate can be elected at this time by advocating total abolishment. Ron Paul is a perfect example. As noble as his cause was (and is), the voting public marginalized him because they feared him. They feared him because he spoke the truths of freedom in language that meant ending the welfare state overnight.

For example. The income tax presently takes in $2.1 trillion in annual revenue for the Federal Government. To end it immediately would mean ending $2.1 trillion in annual government services tomorrow, which is very scary to the voters. Yet a zero income tax as quickly as possible is what Ron Paul campaigned on, and it is one of the main reasons why he got only 12% of the vote. He scared too many of the voters.This fear creation needs to be avoided for 2016. If a political reformer is to genuinely shake up the Demopublican system and end its despotic grip on our lives, then he needs to get into the national TV presidential debates like Ross Perot did in 1992 where he can stand on that stage and tell 70 million American voters how the Demopublican candidates are destroying the country via the income tax and the Federal Reserve. This cannot be done if our “freedom candidate” is marginalized by the people. And he will be marginalized if he speaks of abolishing the income tax overnight.

To gain entrance into the national TV presidential debates, our freedom candidate needs to get 15-20% in the polls. So we need to work smart instead of working emotionally. This means not scaring the American people into marginalizing us.

This also means that working within the Republican party and participating in the GOP nomination debates will never do the trick. The nomination debates only go out to about 10 million viewers on the cable channels. They are viewed primarily by political junkies. But the big debates in the fall between the Democratic and Republican candidates are viewed by 70 million viewers on the major networks. This is where the course of the country is decided. This is the big leagues. And if we are to save America, this is where we must take our stand. But this can only be done by a nationally known candidate running as an Independent. The GOP will never nominate a true “freedom candidate” who speaks of phasing out the income tax.

Would a phasing out of the income tax by eliminating progressive rates be salable to American voters? Yes, if it was explained properly to them. In our book, Breaking the Demopublican Monopoly, we show that a 10% equal-rate tax, when combined with a computerized 4% auto-expansion of the money supply for the Fed, would result in a minimum 16% annual increase in the standard of living for all American citizens. Thus the lower income classes who would have their taxes raised from zero to 10% would still net a 6% annual increase in their standard of living. What’s most important is that these two pillars of reform would light up the sky of productivity and wealth for everyone. They would bring back millions of jobs and hundreds of billions of dollars in investment capital to America.

Like the income tax, the Fed is not going to be eliminated overnight; Ron Paul concedes this. But the Fed can be phased out over the next decade or two. And the first step is to end the FOMC’s power to arbitrarily expand the money supply. We must force the Fed by law to keep money creation at the same rate as goods and services are growing; this would create zero percent price inflation annually. Milton Friedman’s 4% auto-expansion plan for the Fed would accomplish this. It would end the terrible debasement of our currency while we sell the voting public on the need to end the Fed totally over the next decade.

We at AFR call this reform of the tax and monetary systems the "Two Pillars Strategy." And we corroborate it with statistics from the U.S. Department of Commerce, the Federal Reserve Bank, and wise economists such as John Williams and James L. Payne. This demonstration could be simplified so it is understandable to 70 million voters who tune into the national TV presidential debates.

What Needs to Be Done

To bring this about the National Independent Party is being launched. But we are not just another third-party like the Libertarian and Constitution Parties. This is because we will not marginalize ourselves by advocating the immediate abolishment of the income tax and the Fed. Our “Two Pillars Strategy” is incremental; thus our candidate will not scare the voters and will easily get the crucial 15-20% in the polls to qualify for the national TV presidential debates where he can educate 70 million voters. This, neither the Libertarian nor Constitution Parties (with their 1% vote tallies) will ever be able to do. Consequently one should think of us as not just a political party, but as a dramatic gathering place for the patriots of America, a "gathering of eagles" that can alter the annals of history.

Here's a good way to view the National Independent Party: In the early 1770s, the patriots of Boston (led by Samuel Adams and John Hancock) were meeting in the local taverns every few weeks. But by 1772 their numbers had grown so strong that they overflowed the largest of taverns. Some other place had to be found to bring them all together. Adams and Hancock found that place; it was called the Old South Meeting House. It held up to 5,000 patriots, and this is where the American Revolution was launched. The Patriots met there from then on to plot their strategy, to invigorate their spirits, and to exchange ideas. As a result, the Old South Meeting House in Boston is today a famous landmark.

This, in essence, is what the National Independent Party (along with its website) will be. It will be the Old South Meeting House for the new patriots of today. And there's not just 5,000 of them out there that can be brought together. There's probably a million of them who would join the Party. What kind of money contributions would come from a million passionate patriots determined to end the insanity that is consuming America? It is not unrealistic to expect $50 million contributed to the cause of restoring freedom. Fifty million dollars would buy a lot of major advertising going into 2016. That would make our Gathering of Eagles a mighty powerful force for change in America.

Our most important goal for 2016 and beyond is to convince a major libertarian/conservative politician (such as Rand Paul, Allen West, Jim DeMint, etc.) to run an independent campaign and get into the national TV presidential debates where he can then educate 70 million voters about the crucial need for genuine tax and monetary reform to stop government growth. He can do this, like Ross Perot did in 1992, by giving 30-minute lectures on national TV the night before each of his three debates. How would this TV time be paid for? By the candidate's support groups and by the million patriots in the National Independent Party.

Such a campaign would be unbelievably dramatic. It would electrify the nation. It would break the Demopublican monopoly of ideas that is stultifying the system and destroying the greatest country in history. We believe that such a candidate could garner 38% of the vote and win in a three-man race, but even if he didn’t win the White House, he would act as a powerful magnet to draw the two major parties back to sanity because the people would be told the truth. Truth is the most powerful force in the world. It brings down empires.

In conclusion, it's important to understand that the third-party that AFR is proposing is not a "conventional" third-party. It is a reincarnation of Sam Adams and John Hancock's Old South Meeting House. It is a reincarnation of the Sons of Liberty. It will be a million-man army of patriots to take the Ron Paul revolution to the next level. And it will bring in tens of millions of dollars annually to further the cause. That's a powerful lot of persuasion.


Nelson Hultberg is a freelance writer in Dallas, Texas and the Director of Americans for a Free Republic His articles have appeared in such publications as the Dallas Morning News, The American Conservative, Insight, The Freeman, and Liberty, as well as on numerous Internet sites such as The Daily Bell, Financial Sense, and Safe Haven. He is also the author of a soon to be released book on political philosophy, The Golden Mean: Libertarian Politics, Conservative Values. Email him at:

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The Republicans

used to be a 3rd party. Whigs anyone?

When the Whigs split ways ideologically, the party died and people left instead of trying to re-ripen a rotten tomato.

Think "Diebold".

Third parties, for how much ever we agree with their positions, cannot defeat the Diebold machines. I still say the best way to go is with both of the crapy, major parties. Whether Dem or GOP, would depend on what you are trying to accomplish. Some liberals would agree with many of our positions but, would not consider themselves part of the GOP because of other issues. They'd do well infiltrating the Dem Party. We need allies in Congress on both sides of the aisle and a takeover of both major parties is the best chance all freedom loving Amercians have at this point in time.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

thinking Americans all should register Independent...

...aka No Party Affiliation. We can continue our Ron Paul movement within such no-promised-affiliation staus until the next primaries in 2015, where our Ron Paul movement candidates for President will emerge.

I like what Nonna said.

This going Independent has already been a trend, check the statistic. (I therefore totally hate the idea of an independent PARTY).

What has been the major preoccupation of the System candidates as the elections unfolded in 2012? Guessing and pleasing the independent voters. What if 70 percent of Americans are independent in January 2015? In every state. Please help me imagine this game.

Registered independent but with strong "movements" within.

Independent "Party" erases the meaning of the word "independent" voter. Not my cup of tea. Or coffee.

Ron Paul ... forever.

I like Nelson Hultberg. He makes good points

... and I always listen carefully and respect what he has to say.

The core of what he is saying about the income tax and infinite desire for free government services is dead on.

As is his recognition of the fear generated in people - when someone (anyone) advocates taking away their goodies without any explanation of how they are going to manage without them.

As is his recognition of the fact that GOP is so flaccid and corrupt that almost any effort to "reform" it at this point it simply doomed to failure. Regardless of what some people want to keep on 'believin' because they've invested so much of their time, money and effort trying.

I don't really see where any rational, intelligent individual that has been paying attention to what's been happening *and* (important) is NOT emotionally compromised in some way to reject what he is saying out of hand, can reject on rational grounds most if not all of what he is advocating.

The minority of people that listen to Ron Paul, take the time to investigate what he is saying, and get full on board with the program are rare.

And we love RP, the truth of what he is saying, and the values he represents.

The vast majority of people that didn't really listen, and did not take the time to investigate on their own?

They did not get on board at all and were scared sh*tless that he was going to pull the safety net away from the entire country.

And the media propaganda just backed that fearmongering up and amplified it.

A third party won't work

At least not in the foreseeable future. The LP has had forty years and it hasn't gotten a person elected nationally.

Ron Paul has been working in politics for decades. Maybe we should actually take the advice of the man who inspired all of us and take over the GOP. Just because we couldn't do it in one election cycle doesn't mean it can't be done. It is a slow process. As Ron Paul would say, "we are the future" of the Republican Party.

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien

The republican party...

has been "infiltrated " for forty years and it hasn't achieved ANYTHING but bigger government and less freedom.

Ron Paul has been working in politics for decades. Maybe we should actually take the advice of the man who inspired all of us to strengthen and support third parties, like the Constitution Party that he endorsed in 08. As Ron Paul would say, "we are the future" of America.

F the R's!

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

Infiltration abounds

The LP probably needs to do something really radical and edgy, like running actual libertarians as candidates. It would even benefit those who have pipe dreams of changing the Party of Stupid as well. The republicans have no reason to change as long as they co-opt and control any alternative.

Again I write, No thanks

I'm a bit surprised your first post on this subject got 403'd but I guess that's what happens when... what? It gets put in the sticky box and gets a lot of down votes?
Until/unless the GOP dies 3rd parties will remain insignificant in this country. Ron Paul realized this so stuck it out in the GOP with every intention to change hearts and minds.
If the neocons can take over the party, there's no reason why the liberty movement can't do the same. IMO, the best strategy for that is to get ya'self into the party, like what Granger did, or get yourself elected to a council or even state legislation. If we had a large takeover in those areas we could easily move up. Local name recognition really helps when seeking a seat in the federal government.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

You've got to be kidding me!

Some people are just too slow in he hear to realize when it's time to change strategies. If the Libertarian and Constitutionalist Parties and all other third party dreamers really want to advance the cause of liberty legislatively, they need to join Ron Paul REPUBLICANS!!!

"The truth is that neither British nor American imperialism was or is idealistic. It has always been driven by economic or strategic interests." - Charlie Reese




I WILL NOT BE A SLAVE! Grovelling at the Massa's boots... DOES NOTHING!!!!!!

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

That is illogical on sooo many levels.

Of COURSE the Republican Party does not seek constitutional liberty. If it did, there would be no reason to infiltrate it no would there. Why try to build a new party when we can save years and tens of millions of dollars taking over one that already exists?

"The truth is that neither British nor American imperialism was or is idealistic. It has always been driven by economic or strategic interests." - Charlie Reese

"Illogocal" doesn't fit...

but... what's the definition of "insanity?"

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

The definition of insanity is...

supporting third-party candidates time and time again and expecting different results.

"The truth is that neither British nor American imperialism was or is idealistic. It has always been driven by economic or strategic interests." - Charlie Reese

Actually no.


Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

totally agree


If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

We must cover all bases!

We must cover all bases! Here's an idea for the 2016 Presidential Election:

- Get Jesse Ventura to run as an independent right away
- Get Rand to run in the GOP
- Get Gary Johnson to run as a Libertarian right away

Maybe getting Ventura and Johnson to run for some federal office that's coming up in 2014 would be a good warm-up for 2016.

Not a good idea

Most likely they would split the vote and the Democrat candidate would end up winning.

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien

And what if Ventura decided

And what if Ventura decided to go Democrat, Anna?? ;)

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Third Party Attempts

are progressing. England has the United Kingdom Independent Party (UKIP) which is gaining numbers, and the Free Voters party in Germany is doing well. Both are fighting for freedom and freedom from bailouts.

The 10% income tax, with no exemptions and no exceptions, is the right path. Even churches and boy scouts would pay, because there is no end to "pet" projects. As to the money supply, I have no knowledge as to what it should be, I only know that it MUST be reformed.

This progression to a sales tax is a problem for me as I see it. The wealthy may not spend their income for years and pass it on in inheritance. Whereas, the poor must spend all their income just to survive. Currently, I pay 9+% sales tax, just state and local tax. Another 9% on top of the 9% I already pay would be a major hardship and would deter my spending even more.

I also find the value added tax absurd.

A Third Party is our only solution, as repbs and dems will never trust each other, and people like me will never trust either one of them.

The exception for churches

The exception for churches comes from an interpretation of the first amendment, not just from statute law. The power to tax is the power to destroy. (This was once applied to newspapers as well.)

It's a pity this isn't applied to other constitutional rights, such as RKBA.

= = = =
"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

The United Kingdom has a

multitude of parties that are actually part of Parliament and their government is as corrupt as ours.

Is a third party the solution? It would be nice if the whole voting system wasn't compromised. Until that gets fixed, another party can't make a difference except to perhaps wake people up.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

The latest

count from November 2012 elections had found that ALL write-in votes (including those for Ron Paul) were about 175,000.

Unless our level of hysteria, paranoia, name calling, and righteousness subsides to the level of our actual influence, we cannot even assess where our movement is and what to do next.

A mixed bag of parrots and populists, we are only persuasive among ourselves and not even that often.

You do know ...

... that that number ("175,000") - as well as all other 'numbers' reported for national (and probably most state) elections - is pure bunk?

Elections in this country are *proven* to be so corrupt, so compromised, and so untrustworthy as to be almost meaningless at this point.

This is a HUGE problem.

All of this talk of parties, and voting, and participating in the system has a huge problem when votes are not even being *counted* honestly and accurately, thrown out in the garbage en-masse, or simply invented in the tens of thousands out of thin air.

Does this reality sink in with enough people out there. Or not


Yes, but there is a solution to that problem.

With today's technology we can vote anonymously and verify our vote was properly recorded with security measures to boot.

Think Truth...Trust Truth...Rely on Truth!

A) Not if it's not

A) Not if it's not deployed.
B) With today's technology we can put so much of the process into single points of failure that a successful attacker can shift FAR more votes than could be done by even a large crew attacking older systems.

= = = =
"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

More like a 73rd. party.

I believe there are already 72 "third parties". The only solution is a complete root and branch revision of the party political system. In the meantime the most feasible route is the one taken by many Ron Paul Republicans...take over the GOP.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Actually no.

Remaining in the GOP is absolute suicide for Constitutional Liberty.

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

After this last election...

and attempt to 'take over the GOP', do you really think the PTB would allow that? They will change the rules if they have to . The conclusion logically follows, third parties should unite to be competitive.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

That may indeed appear to be the logical route to follow.

However third parties are like all political parties, they thrive on contention not cooperation. People support political parties at least as much because they oppose things they do not like as much as they support them because they promise to do things they like. (The Fed, Wars and The Empire, The IRS, The War on Drugs, Big Brother, Abortion... all come to mind in that regard.)

There are also many kinds of political platforms in the third party realm that suggest very specific thinking on the part of the people in each party. It is very unlikely they could agree to merge with other parties unless they agreed down to the teeniest jot and tittle, even if it meant gaining political power...which in any event is extremely unlikely given the lack of the biggest game changer in politics...MONEY.

The intention of Ron Paul Republicans to take over the Republican Party is alive and well to my knowledge. It was never dependent on just one election. It is the strategy for the long haul and it will gain momentum as the economy worsens and the establishment politicians are seen to be in league with one another and incapable of doing anything to avert collapse of the economy and the continuation of the perpetual war.

The establishment rely on their "gatekeepers" in the local party apparatuses. These are also subject to the support of the committee members and when that number is sufficient the establishment pawns will be ousted. Members to the RNC are also elected from the local level so that is where the power ultimately lies and where the Ron Paul Republicans will be making changes. As Dr. Paul himself has said it is always a matter of educating people to the realities of their situation and to win hearts and minds.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

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Go over the heads of the RNC

Advocates of changing the RNC from within have been saying that "the power lies with the people on the local level" for 50 years. Yet no substantive change has ever resulted from this approach because the collectivist hierarchy controls the RNC from Washington. The establishment media side with this hierarchy, the major banks side with this hierarchy, the major corporations side with this hierarchy, and they always find a way to circumvent any substantive changes in the vision of the GOP that the "gatekeepers" on the grassroots level try to implement.

Trying to change the RNC from the local level is, as I pointed out in my article, like trying to change the policies of the Mafia by joining them and reasoning with them. The RNC is like the Mafia, a criminal organization with no desire for freedom and the Constitution. Its desire is for power. And power is maintained by circumvention, deception, stonewalling, smearing and squashing all rebels. This is what they have been doing since the days of Eisenhower.

Nothing will ever change from this until someone breaks the monopoly of ideas and thinking that perpetuates the Demopublican mindset. This can best be done by a third-party challenge that gets a Ron Paul/Ross Perot type politician into the national TV presidential debates, where he can take the case for freedom to the people themselves.

When the "people at large" voice their desire for getting rid of the income tax and the Fed, then meaningful change will come about. But this requires a dramatic sales campaign geared to "the people," not the RNC hierarchy. The RNC doesn't care about the truth, but the people do. The only problem is that they are not being told the truth by the Republican establishment, and they will never be told the truth by the RNC, because doing so means an end to their power and status, an end to their riding around in black limousines.

But a third-party candidate could tell them the truth if he gets into the national TV presidential debates. This is where we must take our stand; we must go over the heads of the RNC.

Nelson Hultberg
Americans for a Free Republic
Dallas, Texas

The aim is not to change the RNC particularly.

The aim as I understand it is to change the Republican Party entirely into something resembling what it pretends to be. The Granger who has responded below to your comment is one of those who have chosen to take that route and I believe she will be influential in changing minds within the Party structure.

You place a lot of credence in the Party "hierarchy" and the forces that control it through the media and the special interests. At the same time you believe that "when the "people at large" voice their desire for getting rid of the income tax and the Fed, then meaningful change will come about". If this latter is the case then that is when the Ron Paul Republicans will be ready to complete the takeover of the Republican Party.

Otherwise the powers that you believe are very much in control will simply use their power to convince the "people at large" that their desire for change will best be served by voting for the unreconstructed duopoly rather than some "Johnny come lately" third party. This has been their game for the past one hundred years and will not change.

The optimum scenario you envisage depends upon educating the "people at large" who are powerless and controlled by the forces you believe to be invincible. The plan of the Ron Paul Republicans is to educate the members of the political structure who wield all the power at the State level (not the ones at the top of the hierarchy in D.C.) and who will be moved by any change in public sentiment such as you imagine can happen. This has always been Ron Paul's contention.

Let us not forget that Ron Paul himself will be in the public eye continuously after leaving Congress and working to educate the "people at large" from whom no doubt many will join the Republican Party committees as Ron Paul Republicans.

No matter which way one looks at it the idea of starting another political party is far less attractive and feasible than taking over the Republican Party. The vehicle to change the direction of the country already exists. It does not need to be built from the ground up. What you conceive of as being a quicker and smarter way to achieve the same goal is actually a dead end that will simply draw energy away from the only workable plan that is already well underway and just needs more shoulders to the wheel.

It may require a rethink on your part Nelson and a redirection of your energies but it seems to me that your ambitions would be better served by getting on the Republican Party takeover wagon and riding it to victory. I agree the Party structure appears to be controlled by a powerful minority who will be difficult to dislodge but that is I believe their Achilles' heel. Their confidence in their ability to stay on top will be their downfall. The powers against them are greater that the powers that are for them.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

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David, I answer all your

David, I answer all your points in my book, Breaking the Demopublican Monopoly: How to Unify America with a Third-Party that Can Win.

The complete corruption of our Demopublican political structure cannot be settled in sound bites and article commentary. The GOP reform bandwagon that everybody is so gaga about is nothing new; it's been around 50 years. It is fatally flawed because of basic human nature and the monopolistic structure of the debates that the Demopublicans have put in place.

I have been observing Republican reformers since the days of Goldwater. They didn't understand the beast then, and today's reformers do not understand it either. But if one really wants to know what the beast is about and how to truly defeat it, then he needs to read my book. All else is a waste of time.

Nelson Hultberg
Americans for a Free Republic
Dallas, Texas

I believe that you believe what you believe.

At another time in another place I might agree with you. At this point in time and in this place with the conditions being what they are the proposal you are making is unworkable. The alternative proposed by Dr. Paul, who is also very familiar with the "Demopublican beast" as you put it seems to me at least to be more practical and achievable. There are no guarantees in either case.

At no time in the past in America have the people been waking up to their true condition in such large numbers. With the creation and rapid development of the Internet in the past fifteen years the Information Age has truly arrived and people are able to access news and historical reports with remarkable ease. It is no longer a push media environment at the mercy of the controllers but a pull one. The individual is now able to obtain information from an hitherto unimaginable number of sources, some bad, some good, but all available. The people who are doing this are the ones who are supporting the Ron Paul R3VOLution and are the ones most likely to be able to change the existing status quo Parties.

I do understand the desire to start anew and rebuild from the beginning but with the status quo parties being so firmly entrenched in the public mind it is better in my view to take over the existing structure and make the rules that will benefit everyone and not just the few. I believe the majority of the American people still believe the principles of their founding documents, they just do not realise they have been deceived by their leaders who have changed the nation by using the form of republicanism to instal socialism. When they wake up to this then they are motivated to do something about it. This is what is happening.

There are those who are so consumed with hatred of the duopoly that they cannot see straight and wrongly impugn the efforts of those who are working inside the duopoly structure. That attitude will accomplish nothing in any venture and I am sure you do not share it. There are others who are trying to attract libertarians to the Libertarian Party but that is like preaching to the choir. The mission field is in the duopoly and the "people at large" not amongst libertarians. Unless of course you are trying to do as you are doing, build yet another political party. In doing so you are pulling against the efforts of those working in the duopoly but in time you may, with the Libertarians and the others in libertarian inclined third parties, come to realise that the real future for Constitutional political and economic liberty is with the Ron Paul Republicans.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

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Cart before the horse

David, our desire is not to build a party. It is to break a monopoly. And that can only be done with an Independent candidate getting into the national TV presidential debates so that the truth can be told.

Advocates of "reform within the GOP" have the cart before the horse. See my commentary near the end of these comments, "What the Naysayers are Missing."

Nelson Hultberg
Americans for a Free Republic
Dallas, Texas

This past RNC woke many up

My committee chair apologized to me and another Ron Paul Committee member about what happened at the RNC. It shook people up to see for themselves the censorship. They began asking, "Why do you pay a tribute but not let Ron Paul speak, or for his delegates to say his name when he won?" And I think the "So goes Maine, so goes the nation" struck other delegates, who as they came to meet us, and listen to us, .. on my committee, we make sense, and while we are not winning every vote, I KNOW I am the future of the GOP. I KNOW we are the future, and it's a good fight, because not everyone wants freedom, but those who do want freedom are in the GOP, on these committees, and listening to us.

Rand is getting quite a bit of attention, and it would not shock me to find that we are suddenly going to find ourselves being THE leaders in the GOP.

Locally, on my committee, where I'm volunteering to run committees. one being the youth committee so I can get the parades.. because I want to do float is local parades.. we have great local parades, where up to 26 peace groups always dominate.. and my dream is to have a GOP float with people offering monoply money to the audience that has End the Fed Notes, and we do a anti-drone drill, our message being to restore the Republic to sound money, peace and Liberty.

There is a mantel of shame on the GOP, and many don't want to cop up to it, but they are not a proud group.. they hide in fear of being attacked.. we can change that. It's a matter of showing up to committee meetings and doing the job of running the party.

That last line is a whopper lol

Yeah that's likely to happen in the next 400 years.

Anyone that has two eyes can see how far we got inside the GOP and many of those people are still in positions. If it's abandoned, sure, all is lost there.....BUT we aren't the only ones that are unhappy about the rule changes. They are being worked on so I'll gladly wait to see what happens while continuing to work for the goals there.

If the majority stick to the rules in the coming year and it looks like it won't be changed, I'll shift gears. Till then, there is no reason why I can't multitask.

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Playing devils advocate,

what happens to all the Ron Paul people who are fighting to take control of the GOP? What happens to Rand Paul, who will carry the torch, passed on from his father?

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Passing on the torch

Taking control of the GOP can never happen. Its hierarchy will do to Rand Paul what they did to his father. We are dealing with collectivist mentalities here who do not want freedom and the Constitution re-established. They want only power, and they will oppose all rebels who truly speak of freedom. This is what they have been doing for 50 years. We need to fight them, not from within the party ranks, but from without, i.e., by means of a third-party challenge that goes directly to the people.

Rand Paul needs to be convinced that he can do far more for the cause of liberty and America by fighting an Independent campaign and getting into the national TV presidential debates like Ross Perot did. He could change the political paradigm of America in a monumental way if he chose to do this.

This is how he carries the torch passed on from his father. He goes over the heads of the corrupt GOP hierarchy and breaks the Demopublican monopoly. We need to do to the Republican Party what the Republican Party did to the Whigs in 1860. Rand Paul could do it. In fact, his father thought very seriously about doing it, but unfortunately decided to remain within the GOP ranks.

Nelson Hultberg
Americans for a Free Republic
Dallas, Texas

While the income tax is

a monstrosity in a so called "free society," so would be a "fair tax." Funny, when ever some horrible legislation is trying to gain some head way, it has a mild mannered name that sounds good for the public, ie patriot act, or white house grounds improvement act, or now the "fair tax."
I could never support a tax on goods or services provided by the private sector for the federal govt. The fair tax is also one that can be adjusted just as the income tax is now. The fair tax could be 8% tomorrow, 10% next year, and 35% in a decade. If anyone is to do the taxing it should be the state govt's, the federal govt should stick to the rules and follow article 1, section 8, clause 1.

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James

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States Rights is the answer

No problem. Let the states do the taxing and give what is necessary to the federal government to maintain military defense and foreign diplomacy. Any national sales tax is just a means to eliminate the IRS and the hated income tax. It is not perfect and could be corrupted. As Jefferson said, "The price of liberty is eternal vigilence." What needs to be done is to restore states' rights. Leave as little power to the Feds as possible.

Nelson Hultberg
Americans for a Free Republic
Dallas, Texas