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Nobel Peace Prize Winner Desmond Tutu on "apartheid nature of Israel and its current government."

Justice requires action to stop subjugation of Palestinians
By Desmond Tutu, special to the Tampa Bay Times

"A quarter-century ago I barnstormed around the United States encouraging Americans, particularly students, to press for divestment from South Africa. Today, regrettably, the time has come for similar action to force an end to Israel's long-standing occupation of Palestinian territory and refusal to extend equal rights to Palestinian citizens who suffer from some 35 discriminatory laws.

I have reached this conclusion slowly and painfully. I am aware that many of our Jewish brothers and sisters who were so instrumental in the fight against South African apartheid are not yet ready to reckon with the apartheid nature of Israel and its current government. And I am enormously concerned that raising this issue will cause heartache to some in the Jewish community with whom I have worked closely and successfully for decades. But I cannot ignore the Palestinian suffering I have witnessed, nor the voices of those courageous Jews troubled by Israel's discriminatory course.

Within the past few days, some 1,200 American rabbis signed a letter — timed to coincide with resolutions considered by the United Methodist Church and the Presbyterian Church (USA) — urging Christians not "to selectively divest from certain companies whose products are used by Israel." They argue that a "one-sided approach" on divestment resolutions, even the selective divestment from companies profiting from the occupation proposed by the Methodists and Presbyterians, "damages the relationship between Jews and Christians that has been nurtured for decades."

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I think the tide is turning

138 to 9! We know where the 'International Community' stands, if there was ever any doubt.
This is a victory for humanity over the false doctrines of Racism and Nationalism.
The Palestinians have been struggling on the front lines for many years and this victory, however modest is sweet. They played by the rules, however stacked against them, and won - without gunships, F16s, tanks, artillery, phosphorus shells or checkpoints. The next step is to bring those crimes to the ICC.
Great presentation by Roger Waters (Pink Floyd)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9DrSP...

I generally feel that some

I generally feel that some anti-israel sentiment is anti-semitic in nature.

So do I but what about the

So do I but what about the actual lobbying? The tangible manipulation of our foreign policy?

Ventura 2012

Nobel Prize Winner?

Sorry but I sort of had to laugh a bit.

Cheers,

donvino

Note to those reading this

Note to those reading this thread: Anyone making anti-semitic comments in this thread is not a legitimate poster and is more than likely trying to troll away to make our anti-establishment ideas look bad and to divide us from Desmond Tutu, those close to him and especially the anti-racist ideas he has detailed in his courageous statements about Israel and the oppression of Palestinean people. These COINTELPRO-esque posters are only trying to continue the failed status-quo tactic of coupling everyone involved with any kind of anti-war or Palestinean rights cause with these racist comments made by fake posters.

I stopped reading at the words "nobel peace price"

now is the sinonym of "war criminal"

Was Mother Theresa a War

Was Mother Theresa a War Criminal?

Ventura 2012

Palestine wins bid for Statehood recognition in the UN!

Congratulations Palestine you are not alone! the Turkish Foreign Affairs Minister Ahmet Davutoglu gave a very moving speech, inspiring them to vote Yes. 138 VS 41 totals.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/11/29/israeli-official-dow...

RP R3VOLution

John 8-44 (below), Good Job!

Expose non-Goyim and the communist idea they created trough Marx! All Goyim are one group, normal people, for whom we can apply individualist libertarian laws. Another group, non-Goyim, them we can only treat as a group, since they are all evil by NATURE.

As for any good law we have exceptions: anti-Zionist Jews who do not want Israel to exist. We can tolerate those non-Goyim. Wait, but not Jewish bankers! When I think deeper, I realize that a pure individualistic free society (where Jewish bankers are free to form secret societies and exploit the poor) is less attractive than National Socialism.

As a poster below had mentioned, with a Chinese businessman I can proudly behave as a white man, but with a Jew I have better lie since I cannot compete. They all play unfair, they are an evil group. Not all of them. But I forgot who is the bad one - Zionists or Jews I do business with. Surely, all of them. Now it became clear to me.

Dear Brother in Liberty

Many non-Jews turn to antisemitism because they are jealous of the success and achievements of Jews. Their struggle to come to terms with this results in blind hatred for all things Jewish and causes them to defend even unrepentant heathens like the Palestinins because they are enemies of the Jews. They eat up the Muslim propaganda that Israel is the aggressor when the truth is very much opposite, but their blindness does not allow them see it. The only cure for the misinformed is continued education and the dispelling of antisemitic propaganda. With persistence and patience those who are blinded by hate can be led to see the truth.

Disregard government. Acquire liberty.

Dude, stop with the drama. I

Dude, stop with the drama. I could care less about someone's religion or ethnic status. I am not "jealous" of "the Jews." And even if I was, it would have NOTHING to do with my rage at what the Zionists have done to the Palestinians and my nation's complicity in it. You, I suspect, are the real anti Semite, as you probably hate Arabs, who are Semitic too in case you forgot.

So you support Ron Paul but not freedom for all??

You're a hypocrite then.

Justice requires action to stop subjugation of Palestinians

By Desmond Tutu,

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/justice-requires-act...
A quarter-century ago I barnstormed around the United States encouraging Americans, particularly students, to press for divestment from South Africa. Today, regrettably, the time has come for similar action to force an end to Israel's long-standing occupation of Palestinian territory and refusal to extend equal rights to Palestinian citizens who suffer from some 35 discriminatory laws.

I have reached this conclusion slowly and painfully. I am aware that many of our Jewish brothers and sisters who were so instrumental in the fight against South African apartheid are not yet ready to reckon with the apartheid nature of Israel and its current government. And I am enormously concerned that raising this issue will cause heartache to some in the Jewish community with whom I have worked closely and successfully for decades. But I cannot ignore the Palestinian suffering I have witnessed, nor the voices of those courageous Jews troubled by Israel's discriminatory course.

Within the past few days, some 1,200 American rabbis signed a letter — timed to coincide with resolutions considered by the United Methodist Church and the Presbyterian Church (USA) — urging Christians not "to selectively divest from certain companies whose products are used by Israel." They argue that a "one-sided approach" on divestment resolutions, even the selective divestment from companies profiting from the occupation proposed by the Methodists and Presbyterians, "damages the relationship between Jews and Christians that has been nurtured for decades."

While they are no doubt well-meaning, I believe that the rabbis and other opponents of divestment are sadly misguided. My voice will always be raised in support of Christian-Jewish ties and against the anti-Semitism that all sensible people fear and detest. But this cannot be an excuse for doing nothing and for standing aside as successive Israeli governments colonize the West Bank and advance racist laws.

I recall well the words of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. in his Letter from a Birmingham Jail in which he confesses to his "Christian and Jewish brothers" that he has been "gravely disappointed with the white moderate … who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: 'I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action;' who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom. ..."

King's words describe almost precisely the shortcomings of the 1,200 rabbis who are not joining the brave Palestinians, Jews and internationals in isolated West Bank communities to protest nonviolently against Israel's theft of Palestinian land to build illegal, Jewish-only settlements and the separation wall. We cannot afford to stick our heads in the sand as relentless settlement activity forecloses on the possibility of the two-state solution.

If we do not achieve two states in the near future, then the day will certainly arrive when Palestinians move away from seeking a separate state of their own and insist on the right to vote for the government that controls their lives, the Israeli government, in a single, democratic state. Israel finds this option unacceptable and yet is seemingly doing everything in its power to see that it happens.Many black South Africans have traveled to the occupied West Bank and have been appalled by Israeli roads built for Jewish settlers that West Bank Palestinians are denied access to, and by Jewish-only colonies built on Palestinian land in violation of international law.

Black South Africans and others around the world have seen the 2010 Human Rights Watch report which "describes the two-tier system of laws, rules, and services that Israel operates for the two populations in areas in the West Bank under its exclusive control, which provide preferential services, development, and benefits for Jewish settlers while imposing harsh conditions on Palestinians." This, in my book, is apartheid.

RP R3VOLution

I am surprised

There are more people here than Mr. Spoke and me.

I just add, that Jews, like any other people, fill all spectrum of human life - from base and criminal to scientific and charitable. There are Jews who hate to be a Jew and those who are intolerant nationalists.

But Jews, on average, want only one thing - not love, not respect, not acceptance - they want other people to apply the same standards to Jews and Israel they apply to other people and countries. For example, if Saudi Arabia can chop hands without condemnation from UN Security Council, I do not want to hear any complains if Jews do the same unless you equally address Saudi case. If USA torture and kill millions of muslims, going ape over Israel is premature unless USA is put in order. If UK holds Folklands and Russia Kuril islands, then lets boycott them first, Etc

Big difference. What Israel

Big difference. What Israel does is against another people, and the fact that the US gives more money to Israel than any other nation. I detest the Saudi regime as well. I support ending aid to that regime as well. I bet Israel does not want that to happen though.

You support apartheid?

"But Jews, on average, want only one thing - not love, not respect, not acceptance - they want other people to apply the same standards to Jews and Israel they apply to other people"

They've been treating the palestinians less than third class citizens for 65 YEARS! Stealing their land with illegal violent settlements, unabashedly in VIOLATION OF THE UN CONDITIONS for 6 decades! They have been forced to live in an open air prison for 2 or 3 generations, while Israelis have been living a life of luxury off of American taxpayer supported foreign aid WELFARE IN THE BILLIONS!!! I am very glad that the UN voted UNANIMOUSLY to recognized Palestine for statehood. Shame on any American that doesn't want freedom for all!

RP R3VOLution

It's About Time Somebody Confronted These Warmongers !

I'll gladly join the boycott of Israel, if it helps to STOP the killing of people of ALL races worldwide !

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Want to drive a Zionist bat

Want to drive a Zionist bat shi_ crazy angry? Call Israel an apartheid state! Of course it is true, but you will be accused of the "new anti-Semitism." They consider it a concerted effort to "deligitimize" Israel, as if the latter's actions don't do that already!

We must be prepared to turn the tables and accuse these people of racism toward Arabs. I suspect that many Jewish Zionists are consciously or unconsciously Jewish supremacists. Of course many of Israel's biggest critics are Jewish. However, those that are not critics have been so brainwashed to think that their tribe is STILL the most oppressed people on the planet, that they are simply unable to see how Zionism has come to mean racism in Palestine. And the Christian Zionists are so ready to kiss their collective as_ that many Jewish Zionists have developed a stern sense of entitlement and self righteousness.

FIRST - awesome post SECOND -

FIRST - awesome post

SECOND - the "christian zionist" is always the most confusing thing for me to understand. If they listned to the Christians of Bethleham and Nablus and Jereuselum they would have a MUCH different view on the situation. Instead they don't listen to their own people, don't listen to their suffering, don't listen to their voice... and instead dive head first into a bunch of propaganda that makes absolutely no sense.

Desmond Tutu

Desmond Tutu was/is a lying communist agitator piece of crap mascaraing as a priest and I'll leave it up to you to research who's behind communism.

Israhell does not have an apartheid(separate development) nature. It has a supremacist, suppressive, anti goyim nature.

Luke 3:38
Isaiah 43:3-5

it is definitely an Apartheid

it is definitely an Apartheid state. below is a map that cuts right to the point.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/60556000/gif/_60556957...

also, i agree with you it is a supremecist, suppresive state. Apartheid and Supremecy seem to compliment each other very well.

It most certainly does have

It most certainly does have an apartheid nature. What do you think Jewish ONLY colonies in the West Bank are for? You don't have to like Tutu's economics to respect his courage in calling a spade a spade.

Courage

is good. Why cannot Jews, in private capacity, travel to or buy land in Saudi Arabia or many other muslim countries, say Gaza? Will you go ape about that intolerance? Is black-on-black killing important or only white-on-black? Is suni-on-shia killing less important than others? Let's pretend we value LIFE.

your just spitting lies and

your just spitting lies and nonsense. every one of your posts contains a bold faced lie used to support your hollow arguments.

This time it is the tired "we can't buy land in muslim countries" argument that isn't true. Jewish people own land in muslim dominated countries across the world.

Not enough halal for you?

"your posts contains a bold faced lie used to support your hollow arguments." You mean Jews can travel to Saudi Arabia or buy land in Gaza and West Bank?

When you can show me a bunch

When you can show me a bunch of congressmen swearing undying loyalty to Saudi Arabia, then you might have a point.

Of course the Saud government is horrid. However, the country is not made up of European colonists who expelled the original inhabitants.

“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” William Pitt

Most "Countries" have laws...

...Specifically..."private property" laws, yet many differences exist. One who would be supportive of a borderless world, centered in private property protection for all, would be quite supportive of the free capacity of any human to buy land in any country. Others, with contrary views on private property rights, might seek to limit such abilities for "outsiders" or even "insiders".

Most countries, in fact, present limitations to property ownership for "non-citizens" with differing definitions of citizenship as well as differing limitations based on borders. Generally and broadly, citizenship is bestowed by birthplace or parental citizenship and typically it places its members under the legal guidelines and controlling thumb of their "Country".

This would seemingly be true of all Muslims living within the "borders" of Israel, just as it pertains to Jews living within the borders of...say...Iran...which has the largest Jewish population in the mid-east outside of Israel and where, to my knowledge, they own (and happily so) property.

Protective barriers to outsiders, set up by sovereign nations, be they economic, religious or cultural, are nothing new and depending on one's "world view" can be both "acceptable and correct" or "vicious and unnecessarily wrong" in the extremes of the viewing.

As to "internal barriers" typically, and as was the case in South Africa, it is considered (by most but certainly not all) to be morally and intrinsically wrong for a government that claims dominion over a people to act in systemically obtrusive manners towards a population they consider to be "their own", one that they control economically and legally. And it is the obtrusive treatment, and the placement of these barriers to entry that many have come to see as apartheid-like. When these barriers are defended or enforced with military might, it becomes much more egregious in the minds of most and it typically becomes a clear delineation between "right and wrong".

South Africa has been joined on the list of practitioners of these "ways and means" by Israel...and there are other members on the club roster. Because one discusses their ire at one does nothing to negate the existence of another...nor does it imply extra-predjudicial focus or bigotry.

Bigotry usually raises it's ugly head from the bog in a very recognizable and stupidly rationalized way...know what I mean?

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

Why so long, when it should be so simple

If USA had tortured and killed millions of muslims and tens of thousand of muslims were killed in muslim-on-muslim fights recently, then lets go ape based on priority of human life, numbers lost. Life should be more important than some group demands (One may think. At least for the individualist movement. There are so many other outlets for group rights.)

Funny...

Please tell what has been said that would make you think that I, or any other for that matter, condone the activities of the United States government at present...much less in the advent that its abuses around the world reach as high as your illustration? After all, what blog are you currently deployed upon? Attendance here typically defines ire towards the status quo...and that would include the decisions and directions of our current leadership. I have the capacity to be disturbed by more than one government or occurrence.

Your discernment capacities are seriously lacking and your willy nilly application of rationalization is seriously lacking in rationality. I feel for you man...

Naaaa...no I guess I don't...I feel towards you.

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

okie-dokie

I feel nothing towards you. Did not even cross my mind.