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Senate debate on indefinite detention; Feinstein amendment passed 67-29, but...

The Senate finished debating the Feinstein amendment on indefinite detention.

The amendment passed 67-29; however, many Senators, including McCain and Graham, voted for the amendment because they made the argument that the amendment authorizes indefinite detention.

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Now more Iran war

Now more Iran war mongering...from a Democrat.

iran stuff

meh....g'night folks


why do they call it "debating"?

nobody is changing their positions, just call it what is...posturing

"I'd like to posture some more on my amendment for the cameras and just to waste some time thank you..."

I don't think I can watch

I don't think I can watch this anymore after listening to Boxer...I'm going to end up breaking my computer.

it sounds like...

coburn is getting that vote after all...but idk if that's what coburn was asking for...but McCain is happy or something.


This would not have happened

This would not have happened had ron paul not run for president 5 years ago and put that new york mayor in his place that one night.

"You must be frank with the world; frankness is the child of honesty and courage...Never do anything wrong to make a friend or keep one...Above all do not appear to others what you are not" - Robert E. Lee, CSA

Right on CSA

We may look back on that debate moment someday as the THE turning point!

McCain acts like such an American, doing the people's work

He is such a warmonger and so far up on the Israel payroll as well as the one of the Military Industrial Complex it makes me puke.

i mean that's part right

but he still stands up for this next Coburn amendment...it's so weird how mixed up their line of thinking is.


I agree.

Without knowing the 'behind the scenes negotiations' it's hard to understand what their posture is moment to moment.

They are a reflection of the American People.

I'm encouraged somewhat that people are watching, and the Senator's know it.

LOL People are watching? I mean besides

us? I guess we are winning, slowly but, surely, and those politicians know it.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Flow Chart?

maybe someone, definitely not me, but if we do a flow chart on the way they are voting, it would pinpoint to whom or what they are standing for. Include past voting results on the subject. Do this for all the senators and then overlay them. Just a thought.

Liberty is meaningless where the right to utter one’s thoughts and opinions has ceased to exist. That, of all rights, is the dread of tyrants. It is the right which they first of all strike down.
-- Frederick Douglass

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I consider this a huge win.


poorly worded

WTF I am tired of this shit!

It passed. Though I feel bad

It passed. Though I feel bad now for the people they have now because they'll have to be killed.

Or Obama can just issue a signing statement overruling the Fourth Amendment.

Schumer "no amendment is absolute"


He is incorrect, because yelling FIRE in a theater is not speech

it is a form of communication that can be used to violate the liberties/rights of others via fear and terror. Speech is the idea of free expression and exchange of ideas, even at the risk of offending others but does not allow for the violation of others liberties, and it is absolute. Yell FIRE at the rifle range or on a CB radio and the difference between speech and communication is clear.

By using this legal jargon he then tries to say that no amendments are absolute under the same pretense, which is also incorrect. This is why the framers decided to state that "Congress shall make no law", because it means just that but the people allow their methodical attempts to slowly erode this right by using tactics such as the theater theory.

You may not infringe on the rights of others under the constitution, while the empty suits and self serving sit on their thrones in Washington nothing has changed, instead of doing the work of the people they concentrate most of their time figuring ways to chip away at every aspect of every right, always looking for ways to exert more power, because they obviously know whats best for us, and we find more and more frequently that many are focused on using force to make us act in a specific way, or in plain language fascism.

I am of the opinion that speech used in Washington today that attacks the constitution should be outlawed, because by continuously working to erode the civil rights of Americans will surely result in the harm of said citizens, in turn violating or at the least risking their rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, which is the opposite of the oath they took.

In closing I would like to remind Mr. Schumer of one Supreme court excerpt:
"All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution, are null and void." Chief Justice Marshall

Sounds like chief justice Marshall knew not only the importance of the constitution, but what the text actually meant. My greatest fear is that this will one day be challenged (Marbury Vs. Madison) and put in the hands of the present supreme court, as I feel many on the bench enjoy their benefits from supporting lobbyists far more than the constitution on the court and the people they are there to represent are left to fend for themselves.

Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams
If they hate us for our freedom, they must LOVE us now....

Stay IRATE, remain TIRELESS, an

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I thought he said they were all absolute except for the 2nd.

McCain basically told him to STFU and let Coburn's amendment be debated.


I understood him to say

"NO" ammendment at all.

Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie

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Okay, thank you.



That Mother Fucker! Excuse

That Mother Fucker! Excuse my language! This is why I could never be a politician. I would curse too much. My temples are pulsating.

another gem from Boxer

"there are amendments and there are amendments"

what a




Schumer is equating mentally ill Veterans to felons


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And Coburn said that is just decided by some "social worker".

McCain basically told Shumer to stuff it and let Coburn's amendment move forward.


the problem is is you make a

the problem is is you make a pro-liberty post on facebook they'll call you mentally ill and poof there goes your second amendment.

OMG...I couldn't even enjoy

OMG...I couldn't even enjoy the victory...I'm immediately Pissed again! UGH!!!!

67 Yea 29 Nay

final vote


is laying it down now on the 2nd amendment, lol.