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Justin Amash: Feinstein Amendment Meaningless

As we all know, the Feinstein amendment passed. But Justin Amash says it is meaningless, on his FB page:


The heart of the Feinstein amendment:

"An authorization to use military force, a declaration of war, or any similar authority shall not authorize the detention without charge or trial of a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States apprehended in the United States, UNLESS AN ACT OF CONGRESS EXPRESSLY AUTHORIZES SUCH DETENTION."

Well, that Act of Congress is the 2012 NDAA, which renders the rest of the Feinstein amendment meaningless.

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My friends Mike Lee and Rand Paul are fighting for liberty, fighting for the Constitution, and fighting for you every day. We may disagree from time to time, but we're in this together. Debating issues like NDAA indefinite detention is what makes us better representatives of the people. It's a victory for liberty that Congress is even having a debate on such provisions.

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Not so fast...

The vote in the Senate only bans the indefinite detention of Americans IN America, but NOT of foreigners OR Americans detained abroad.

This guy voted for Iran sanctions too apparently

Fuck all these republican sellouts. Gary Johnson apparently was against the sanctions so I'm glad I voted for him: https://twitter.com/GovGaryJohnson/status/260559598665232384

I think it's time that libertarians just get the fuck out of the republican party and stop pretending like any good can come of it. It's not 1988 and the LP got more votes last time then they ever did thanks to Ron Paul & the internet. I'm no longer going to support anyone in the republican party I think. RepublICAN'T motherfuckers.

Amash is a good guy, but he

Amash is a good guy, but he is not in the same league as Rand Paul.

Thomas Jefferson 1796, 1800, 1804; James Madison 1808, 1812; Ron Paul 1988, 2008, 2012; Rand Paul 2016.

He should tell that to Rand

He should tell that to Rand ___

All the GOP knows how to do is prop-up token candidates and propose token legislation

Again....2012 NDAA did not

Again....2012 NDAA did not EXPRESSLY authorize indefinite detention. It IMPLICITLY did by removing the restriction from use against citizens in one section that it EXPLICITLY restricted in another section. By rules of statutory construction, one could IMPLY that Congress intended US Citizens to be targets by their OMISSION.

So the amendment is meaningful and does repeal 2012 NDAA but of course it could be better. It opens the door for future EXPRESS acts of Congress to re-instate Indefinite Detention of Citizens. Another question that will probably be litigated is whether a purposeful omission from a statute can still be considered "explicit".

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Full text for Amendments,

Full text for Amendments, Debates, NDAA, Defense Auth Act 2012, and such like.


Did anybody read Kat Russel's

Did anybody read Kat Russel's comment on Amash's Facebook page; it says: "Please don't be so rigid that we cannot compromise and get some problems solved."

What an idiot!

Justin Amash for Senate!

Justin Amash for Senate! Then, he can run for the presidency from there!

It'll be very tough for him

It'll be very tough for him to win a Senate race in Michigan.

Support Rand, Amash & other liberty candidates? Check out: http://www.LibertyConservatives.com/

he doesn't need to be a senator

to become President!

Editor of Lawfare blog

who co-directs the Harvard Law School-Brookings Project on Law and Security replied to this question on twitter:

Q: Sen. Levin made argument that AUMF, Hamdi, and passage of Feinstein amdt authorizes indefinite detention. Is his interpretation correct?

A: I find his argument, as I understand it, implausible. I understand the Feinstein language as a clear statement rule.

Justin Amash

I'm telling you guys, we need to promote Justin. He is without question or hesitation 100% one of us. He is young, energetic, and a true statesman. Consider me selfish, I WANT this guy as president.

It takes little effort to print a few of these and pass them around, to friends, to family, maybe a couple of coworkers:


"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Justin Amash for Senate

Let's get him into the Senate first. It's much easier for a senator to win the nomination than a member of the house.

skip the Senate

George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, and Jimmy Carter were all Governors. Consider that.
George H.W Bush was a Representative although he was VP too....same with Gerald Ford.
Richard Nixon and Lyndon Johnson were Representatives, Senators, and VPs.

Just remember that anything is possible!

There is Campaign for Liberty tomorrow

There is Campaign for Liberty tomorrow. I will be handing out Justin Amash flyers. I will let the cards fall as they will.

Yes, anything is possible. Sometimes things just need a swift kick in the rear to get things moving :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul


JFK was 43 years old when he took office

edit: just realized Teddy Roosevelt was only 42 years old when he took office. But, he wasn't elected. He was the residing VP when McKinley was assassinated.


Who is running this r3VOLution? The establishment?

They don't call it 'work' for nothing.

The further we slip into tyranny, the harder it becomes to get out.

Try taking the bull by the horn sometime. It really works.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

He's too Young Right Now

People wouldn't vote fore him in 2016, because I think he would only be 36 only 1 year past the age requirement. He would have to run in either 2020 or 2024 as stated below.

"To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions.


Yet rubio gets 'press coverage' around here and msm.

I vote your post down for lack of vision.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Amash 2024

He's got a lot of work in front of him within the party. He may be on our radar, but he is not on the MSGOP radar as presidential material, especially not with Rand saying he's interested. and Rand could be saying that to draw attention to himself while Amash or someone else is being vetted.. but I don't see the reason for making a long shot, especially after two long shot campaigns with his Dad. As you know from your personal experience with the GOP, many of these folks are programed.. not that we are not.. we are programming ourselves to many ideas that were long gone from American culture.. federal reserve bank who? What? Austrian economics? WTF Kenesian, sounds alien, eh? Non-interveinists? Free Market? Decriminalizing drugs like marijuana? Hemp? Ending government departments? Personhood? What are we talking about?

The scales are not falling off their eyes because they are fighting to keep their NWO global idea of being the nation of peace and prosperity alive, while blaming us that it's failing.. and as a boomer, I feel that my generation was set up to take this fall.. they have been ripping us off (now it's taking IRAs, they set up for us in the 80s.. just when we want our "nest egg" they threaten to take it,, home foreclosures,, plant closures.. very few of us were actually able to do as well as our parents, even in the military where one would think it would be more even over time, but vets today receive far less than the WWII vets.. like they dangle a carrot and lead us through a bobby trapped road.

I read all the time Ron Paul is "the young people", and yet, the majority of Ron Paul supporters I know are boomers. Ron Paul is the boomer president.. he said what all of us believed when we were young, and given Nixon. Nixon was a dividing line between generations.. where the establishment was interested in simulating the appearance of the first family.. boomers were horrified by Nixon and wanted NOTHING to be like him.. The Republican Party has offered NOTHING for boomers, and why now, it's nothing but a shell of operatives who have nothing better to do than be a$$wipes to keep the party, while keeping boomers and anyone who isn't willing to simulate the establishment, out.

It's a hell of a fight, and Amash's star is rising.. but Rand's star is up and running and we are blessed.

I find it interesting....

When people like you become so emotionally invested in Rand Paul, you eyes scale over. I have no doubt you could explain away him being found in the shower with small boys. Denial is a destructive thing. When a Senator votes with McCain, Feinstein, Graham and Carl Levin and you overlook the interloper and call him a rising star, how sad is that?

At one point he votes for a watered down amendment which takes not a bite out of the NDAA insinuating he is a civil libertarian and the next minute he is voting for ANOTHER act of war against Iran. How sick is that?

I will wager you $100 bucks that in a year from now, Rand's behavior will be so despicable even you will find him repugnant.

My risk: Denial is what people do when they won't do drugs.

emotionally invested?

I'm in the GOP where there are people who have POWER, know the rules to break the rules, and don't care about Ron Paul.. MSM is putting Rand Paul in the news, and while he is not Ron Paul who was ignored and censored for decades, Rand has made inroads on few issues, which is better than NO issues.

If you've got some purist plan where you think you can change this government, more power to you, but after 33 years on the outside.. I quit. I'm on the inside now, and while I don't agree with Rand 100%, I agree with Rand more than Christy, Rubio, Palin or Jeb Bush.

Rand is a Junior Senator.. we have a long long way to go, and because the POWERS that be control the ropes, and that includes yours, Rand is the best nominee for president to me, and I will fight for him.


How will you support Rand when you bend over and take the loyalty oath to Rubio? Or being an 'insider' now have you got that draconian thing tossed?

Primary election gave us 10 Republicans

The GOP is not a cvookie cutter, but an areana where there are many different speacil interests that hope, fight for and believe the GOP will accomplish their means.. and Ron Paul. who has stuck with this party sees that we have an opportunity, while I didn't see it before.. I see it now. Loyalty Oath isn't going to stop any of us from fighting a good fight with in.. I don't know about other committees, but right now, Ron Paul is making sense and I think we have a very good chance of changing things by 2016. I'm educating the committee and I see changes. What are you doing besides warning me about the big, too bad to end, GOP?

Granger----you're an operative!!

No wonder Michael Nystrom has lower viewer numbers now, but------the masses who supported RP's idieology has not gone away, not even close. When it comes right down to it, you'd sell your own mother out! Who do you think you are kidding?

Get lost is what I say----go to some other RINO website, would you?

have not gone away

If they are not activily working to restore the repub;ic in the GOP, what are they waiting for?

Words of wisdom.

Granger, you speak many words of wisdom, I can not dispute.

I may need that hot-wing break after all, but before I do, something is taunting my mind.

r3VOLution grew by 'at least' 4 times, even more, since 2007. Just when the momentum is at peak, there has been a strong desire/effort to back off of Ron's name, indicating that we must move beyond the man and focus on the message. Logic dictates otherwise, in order to keep the message moving forward.

Ron's retirement...he will be focusing attention on university. Lamestream media has been profiting by airing him. I believe that we must seize the moment and continue the momentum. Ron's name and message is becoming louder and clearer. If r3VOLution easily dismisses him, how easy will it be for msm. That is not a question, btw.

I like Rand. I may possibly support him if/when the time comes. But look deeper. Justin IS the message. He is young, Constitutionally sound, and WILL draw the young vote, among those where Ron will be speaking. I do not claim to be clairvoyant, but I see missing pieces that r3VOLution is not embracing.

2024. Will there be an identifiable America left? Will Justin be the chosen one to start our Republic anew? Or is he really in the plan for 2016? Only time will tell. Meantime, Justin Amash MUST be known, NOW and for our future.

"It's a hell of a fight, and Amash's star is rising.. but Rand's star is up and running and we are blessed."

Yes, you are absolutely correct, on both accounts :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Experience, not wisdom.. just plain old being there and seeing

The rEVOLution is still growing, like a genie coming out of a bottle. It's going to be co-opted in many cleaver ways.. as it has been here, repeatedly..

Rand 2016 - Amash 2024: Right now, that would be the line up.. but things are bound to happen between the years, and hopefully it will be stronger voices, especially women, hispanics and younger people.

The gaps you see are your opportunity.

I don't know how atheletic you are, but politics is something you train for.. and like every athelit in training, a rest period is very important to the body and mind. It's important to break away, reflect, not think about it, explore other interests (which there are plenty here on DP) Ot's i8mportant to have fun and relax, not care about the problem, so you can process, and return with ideas and renewed energy. Don't burn yourself out.

Take the time to understand how you can work smarter, not harder.

Rand "playin' the game" Paul...

has already sold out. He's simply no longer an option. He CANNOT be trusted. Well... except to push pathway amnesty.

The republican party is finished. The government-dependent, spoiled, selfish boomers (who make up the bulk of the GOP, HATE the Liberty Movement and will NEVER vote for Constitutional Liberty, that they believe threatens their government nipple) will go for the McCains, Romneys and Jebs every time. The only thing the leftist GOP can do now is siphon votes away from third parties.... thus clearing the runway (like 08 and 12) for democrat wins.

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

There was a time when we

There was a time when we would have called anyone who pushed for amnesty and "agent of the NWO and north american union".

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