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Ron Paul On His Future, Fiscal Cliff, Rand, and Secession - Fox News Radio Nov 29

Ron Paul On His Future, Fiscal Cliff, Rand, and Secession

Fox News Radio w/ Alan Colmes | Nov 29, 2012

http://youtu.be/gLtBWDLemUs

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I like Ron's take on the secession thing.

I believe the latest member

I believe the latest member to join the Council on Foreign Relations was FOX.

Bob Marshall

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Bump for front page :p

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Keep making those vids.

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Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

I will!

I will!

I think I heard Carol drop a pan in the kitchen.

Outstanding as always.

I look forward to Ron speaking at colleges. He and Kucinich are friends, working together, my hope is that they will also educate and bring more democrats on board. We must reach ALL party affiliations, this nation as a whole must act as a whole to rid our country of statists.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Speaking of Rand in 2016...

Today Joel Skousen did some commentary on a Salon article laying out who the top contenders for the 2016 Republican Presidential nomination (He covers several that are echoed by much of the media, but I'll only cover two here). Joel is a government corruption expert and was largely correct in his predictions for 2012. So this is interesting. He puts his comments in [brackets] and he uses the abbreviation "PTB" for powers that be. You can see the whole article by requesting a free copy (recommended) at World Affairs Brief (worldaffairsbrief.com). It's important for you to know that Skousen is not a Romney fan at all. He's speaking from the vantage point of the "kingmakers." He promoted Ron Paul heavy and hard. Here's an excerpt:

BEGIN TEXT:

2016 ELECTION MEDIA PICKS: ANYONE BUT ROMNEY

Something quite extraordinary has surfaced recently in the way kingmakers select candidates for a future election. Normally, they wait until a couple of years prior to begin promoting the slate they want. This time, it happened a couple of weeks after the recent election. In the past two election cycles, Mitt Romney has thrown a monkey wrench into Kingmaker’s plans by inserting himself into a closed election process that doesn’t like uninvited guests. So, last week the establishment media started their propaganda campaign two years early, listing all the top contenders for the 2016 Republican nomination—and Mitt Romney, with the now highest name recognition and visibility of any candidate, is nowhere to be found. I predicted just that in the briefs—that the powers that be (PTB) couldn’t stop a Romney candidacy in 2012, but they went all out to make sure he didn’t win, so they could dismiss him as a loser and be rid of him for good.

Romney and Obama had lunch Thursday in the White House. “In their first meeting since the election, Obama and the Republican nominee are to meet in the White House's private dining room Thursday, fulfilling a promise Obama made in his victory speech the night of Nov. 6.

White House spokesman Jay Carney said Obama had no specific agenda for the meeting, but he said the president would like to discuss Romney's ideas for making government more efficient.”

Rumors surfaced that Romney is angling for a cabinet level position, but I doubt he’ll get it—even if in a fairly non-politicized roll, if there is such a thing anymore. The PTB don’t want Romney to get any more notoriety. They want him to simply go away—and a high level position in government doesn’t serve that purpose.

For Romney’s part, he’s simply following the recommendations of his advisors to appear bipartisan and non-bitter about the loss. He didn’t even come close to challenging all the obvious vote fraud, as his advisors kept pushing him to take the ‘high ground’ —which in this case is the path of non-resistance to evil.

I think I’ve also discovered how I think they rigged the election against Romney beyond the obvious and widespread vote registration fraud by Democrats. In looking at the election figures, one thing has always bothered me—the claims that there was a reduced turnout, compared to 2008. Millions less voted, they claim.

However, this election was far more contested than 2008 when Republicans had a lackluster and distrusted John McCain running. There’s no way there would have been less enthusiasm this time around. Obama was running on change last time, and the Republicans had all but worn out their welcome in Washington. Now people were screaming for real change, and they claim millions less showed up at the polls.

What we probably saw was vote manipulation at the tally end this year, where states send their vote tallies into national based counting houses—the same ones run by foreign corporations. It’s a pretty simple task to eliminate numbers at that level, and as long as no one requests a manual recount, who would know? But the overall figures are suspicious.

Looking forward to 2016, here are the media picks according to Salon.com, echoed by many others: ...

... Jeb Bush:

“The former Florida governor is a white guy too, of course. But the Spanish-speaking Bush, whose wife Columba was born in Mexico, has close ties to the Latino community. And he has long been pushing for his party to ‘stop acting stupid’ and moderate its tone and hard line on immigration. ‘You have to deal with this issue,’ he told CBS News' Charlie Rose earlier this year, arguing for a path to citizenship or residency that he said ‘does put me probably out of the mainstream of most conservatives [yes, indeed].’

“That's not the only area where the center-right Bush has broken with his party - He also broke with his party's staunch opposition to raising tax rates, saying that he would have supported a hypothetical deal which included ten dollars in spending cuts for every dollar in additional revenue.

“Bush's last name had been expected to be something of a liability had he entered the 2012 race: His older brother left office just four years ago, and George W.'s post-presidency approval ratings remain low. Bush would also have had to answer uncomfortable questions about his brother's legacy. But by 2016, those questions, along with ‘Bush fatigue,’ are likely to have faded, and Americans may be willing to seriously consider another Bush in the Oval Office [this is an important comment explaining why Bush didn’t run this time and try to beat Romney for the nomination. I think he knew his chances would be better in 2016 and the PTB wanted to take this opportunity to get rid of Romney by defeating him. My assessment: I think this is the establishment favorite for president]. ...

...Sen. Rand Paul

“Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul has maintained many of the same libertarian positions as his father, outgoing Rep. Ron Paul, while forging a closer relationship with the mainstream GOP. While Paul's advocacy for a smaller U.S. military footprint and less government involvement in American lives attracts young voters who have traditionally not been drawn to the GOP, it's not clear that he could expand his father's small but passionate base of support enough to make a serious run at the nomination.[my assessment: I think Paul will be a major player and champion the Tea Party wing in 2016, but the PTB won’t let him get the nomination. If he gets into the debates, he’ll be a serious contender that will have to be quashed]

/END TEXT

Hopefully, Rand won't be quashed, but Skousen is a realist and knows how the Kingmakers operate. So we'll have our work cut out for us.

-Bloatedtoad

ecorob's picture

skousen doesn't have a clue...

listening to him is the same as lisening to the main street media!

he questions voter turnout being lower than 2008?

DUH!

we said we, the people were staying home!
we said we, the people would NOT vote for romnie!
we said we, the people were ok with destroying the gop!

we, the people, also said that the neodems are NEXT on our list!

that's the only NEWS worth reporting here

skousen is a distraction, a liar, a fool!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

7 minutes into the vid

Ron Paul is saying we need to build the GOP. That's my interpretation.

I am more interested in the ideological revolution

Oh you mean where he says the reason he is not so interested in politics but more interested in the ideological revolution.

Dream on with the Republican party.

The revolution is about liberty and changing minds not the current socio-paths in government.

Politics = many blood sucking invertebrates.

Economic Collapse is Coming

I really believe that the economic collapse is right around the corner, the states will not have to secede as our federal government will fall with the collapse. Our government became a corporation after the Civil War, and our Constitution was subverted and has not been followed since.

Have you checked out this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYleC7l86ys&feature=plcp this video was told to me by my uncle in Nebraska.

There is a Republic site for every state in the union. Find yours.

Here is my state: http://www.republicfororegon.org/

The main site, http://www.republicfortheunitedstates.org/ is under maintenance right now, but should be back up soon.

Down Vote?

The Republic For The United States of America is in place in case of the economic collapse. It is a way to reestablish our true Republic under peaceful means. Every State has representatives, congressmen with a speaker of the house and senators, secretary of states and governors in place. If you are downvoting this, it tells me that you may want to see a one world governance?? Or do you think that the economy is going to survive?? When this economy folds, Obama will come on TV and tell everyone that the only hope we have is with the U.N. That is my belief, do you have another? The Republic is there to give every state the choice of renewing our shredded Constitution and Bill of Rights back to what it was. Are you really against that?? Do not just downvote, but put your ideas up, if you have any, so that we can discuss this. I believe that downvoting without a reply is chickensh1t.

ideological revolution in the GOP

where i can be materialized.

If you don't like politics, why niot move onto something you do enjoy. If all it is to you is blood sucking invertebrates, evolve.

Got this letter from Ron November 21, 2012

Dear Friend of Liberty,

My presidential race is over, and mytime in congress is ending, but I am going to be leadin our REVOLUTION.

After my term is up, I will be leading our fight from the outside, And where choose to lead tat battle is firmly at the helm of Campaign For Liberty.

Time is runningout until the start of the next Congress, and C4L Pesident John Tate and I just finished talking about hw critically important it is for Capign For Liberty members to take a stand against statists' schemes.

There's no doubt the fights our liberty movement will face will be among the toughest we've ever experieced.

But the truth is, C4L neds your opinion because it's clear this REVOLUTION will wither and die without support of the good folks like you - and the statists will run roughshod over our remaining liberties.

Ron Paul wants to know who's in and who's not responding. Could that be you?

ecorob's picture

you can shove your opinion...

right up your ass!

you don't like my views?
fine...

prepare to get what you give...

the gop is dead
the neodems are next!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

gee, you seem angry

I'm keeping the GOP alive. Enjoy!

What Murica needs is more Vertebrates

I have evolved, I have a backbone. I just say NO, no I will not give any legitimacy to the state, No I will not obey,

Yes I will subvert the state. Yes I will try to get as many people to show their backbones and stand up and shout NO this is enough, I want Liberty and I will oppose the state in any way I can.

That's great it works for you

It's not working for me, so I'm happy to have the opportunity to get in and work to achieve materializing Ron Paul's message.

Shouting "tjhis is ewnough" reminds me of Dr Sues and the "Whos".

Shout all you like.

Meanwhile, I'll be voting NO and working to restore the Republic.

The blood sucking invertebrates...

...you mention aren't going to just give up power. So ultimately it has to be about political change, does it not? I reject the notion that efforts to change minds and political efforts are mutually exclusive. Ron Paul proved that not only are they not mutually exclusive, they are extremely complimentary. The best way, or at least a great way, to change minds is through politics because that's how you get the media coverage. Where would we be if Ron had never entered politics and stuck to the lecture circuit instead? But anyway, it's not like we can't both participate in political campaigns and at the same time participate in educational campaigns outside of politics.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Knock yourself out

If politics interests you go ahead, I agree that Ron Paul having the national bully pulpit was an eye opener to many. If you can stomach the people that you have to associate with in politics more power to you.

The most powerful way to change society is to educate enough people to just say no. The percentage needed is much smaller than the 20% or 30% needed to win the presidency.

Samuel Adams: (paraphrase)
Ignite brushfires of liberty in the minds of men

More people did not vote than voted for the winner of the presidency. What is needed is to activate enough of these maybe 5% of the voting age population to just say no.

Read
THE POLITICS OF
OBEDIENCE:
THE DISCOURSE OF
VOLUNTARY
SERVITUDE
By Etienne de La Boetie

quote from the essay

Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I
do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple
him over, but simply that you support him no longer;
then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose
pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight
and break in pieces

Winning

from outside of the two party's is a pipe-dream, anyone who hasn't figured that out on their own is purely an idealist, IMO

A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.

I agree

Here's what I don't understand about the people who favor third party or independent politics and say that working in the GOP is futile because of the corruption - you're going to have to fight that corruption either way! A liberty candidate, whether running for the LP or the GOP or Indy or anything else is still going to face the MSM, the deep pockets of the establishment, the dirty tricks of the major parties. You don't escape that by leaving the GOP. All you do, it seems to me, by leaving the GOP is give up the possibility of better media coverage, easier ballot access, and the various other perks that come along with being a candidate in one of the major parties - in exchange for what? It seems like it's some kind of moral (or, as you say, idealistic) argument: "the GOP is evil, so we shouldn't associate with them...." Well, yea, but I say hold your nose and dive in if that's what offers the best chances of bringing about the political changes we so desperately need.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

WRONG

You speak in war terms. You do not have to "fight" corruption, you must merely stop participating.
Granger, right here at DP, is so proud of being GOP, and is there "fighting" for things I do not support. Putting one human in a position of power over another human is NOT thekind of change we need, that is SSDD.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

winning inside the 2 party system is a pipe dream.

Anyone who hasn't figured that out has not sat on a County and State Central Committee.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

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Ron Paul tried it and won many times

in Congress and has probably changed the GOP for good.

I'm going to step back and watch this play out.

Ron Paul has said things like "Politics is a distraction" - immediately after the 2008 election. Then he ran another campaign. Good things came of it, to be sure. After this last election he again said this:
"Responding to a question about a recent warning from his son, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), that the GOP was at risk of becoming a "dinosaur" if it remained unwilling to consider libertarian-inspired positions, the congressman argued that both parties were in fact on the brink of extinction.

“The whole government, and the Democrat party, the Republican party -- they’re all dinosaurs,” Paul said. “The principles are dinosaurs. The parties are going to linger because they’re locked in by law. You’re not allowed to compete; the laws are biased against us from competing. If you go third party you can’t get in debates, you can’t get on ballots.”

People who jump in to support him have a hard time understanding he asked them to take on a futile effort. He knows there is no saving the GOP, he is trying to do something bigger and exposing the one party system is a major achievement. I do NOT ask anyone to abandon the GOP, space abhors a vacuum and if you leave a seat some other a$$ will take it. However, understand you are the rear guard as those who can envision something bigger, as I am sure Ron does, can help us rise above the GOP / Dem paradigm altogether.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

Alright, good luck with that.

Alright, good luck with that.

A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.

There's many different avenues to take

in taking over the Republican Party. Education is the main route. Political action in and of itself is useless if there is no massive, local education campaign to bring the average voter's views in line with the political action.

We "educated" - and they rejected us.

We taught them about sound money, they even voted to put it in the platform. Then they blocked all attempts to educate the voters on the topic. We made them stop beating the war drum at the State Convention - silently stared them down. But in less than 6 months, it was all back to "booga booga - Terrorist!" talk, and the other RP supporters "compromised" with their new friends, and now the war drum is decorated with the scalps of those of us who tried to promote peace.
By the time the 2012 caucus happened, my old "allies" were openly hostile, treating me as if my "Ron Paul" flyers were blankets full of smallpox. People who lie and scheme can not be educated, they play along to take advantage of those kind hearted enough to "educate" when it is time to regulate.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

I've done both

I've been a guest for a year, an appointed member and in January I will take my elected seat. Prior to joining the GOP, my first party was the Libertarian Party, I joined in 1976 under the influence of NORML ads in Playboy magazine. I became an Indy in 93 when I heard Clinton named president while I was in a long line of prescint inspectors like myself waiting to drop off our locked ballot boxes, which mine had nearly 10K uncounted ballots.

I see huge opportunity in the GOP and though I never thought I would join the GOP, I have no regrets. It needs help and I'm happy to have Ron Paul, Rand Paul, C4L and many like myself to help me help them restore the republic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUfS8LyeUyM

Tell me about it when you finish your term.

I felt all warm and fuzzy at first, too. The "old school" conservatives were so glad to see us, all the RP folks got a "Sound Money" plank added to the platform, committee meetings went beautifully... and it was all for show. We had not one iota of influence on the elected officials, and by the end of the 2 year term the politicians were declaring they had "taken over" the Tea Party - and even other RP supporters clapped.
Granger, I wish you the best of luck, but you are truly blinded by your own devotion to the cause.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.