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Are Ron Paul Republicans hijacking the libertarian movement?

"Libertarians started the Tea Party movement and mainstream Republican Party operatives hijacked it.
Dissident young liberals started the Occupy movement and mainstream Democratic Party operatives hijacked it.
Robert Taylor, who self-identifies as "Libertarian" on his About page at PolicyMic acknowledges all of this in "Ron Paul Liberty Movement Will Outlast the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street." Yet he barely mentions the word "libertarian" and never acknowledges the Libertarian Party or Gary Johnson as being part of the "Liberty Movement." It is only Ron Paul's Liberty Movement."

http://www.examiner.com/article/are-ron-paul-republicans-hij...



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there does come a point where you have to let go

when you jack the toilet but constipate.. ron paul and his people have done so much and majority of us don't and never did belong to the libertarian party. at some point you have to ask yourself: do these people even matter anymore? it takes more than just 'hey i was here first', the world is more than that.

What "libertarian" movement?

I see a Liberty Movement, which includes libertarians, conservatives, constitutionalist, civil libertarians,....but there is no 'libertarian movement' to hijack. This pains me because I consider myself a radical libertarian.

LP =

LP = giant inefficient waste of resources and time.

RP =

RP = Patriot Act, NDAA, wars, nation building, sanctions, the FED, tyranny, prohibition, bigger government, a GIANT inefficient waste of resources and time.

Who the @#@%$@`

cares as long as we get the job done. I hate how people keep dividing "the people."

They divide us by Republicans and Democrats. They divide us by conservatives and liberals. We get divided by rich and poor and we get divided by color. And on and on and on.

We must stop allowing this to happen. NO more.
Just We The People. First in the united States of America and then the rest of the world if they choose to join in.

Somebody finally

Gets it..

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

I'm a Ron Paul Republican

and I have no intention of hijacking anything. But I will do everything in my power to take back the Republican Party from the grubby hands of the neocons and RINOs.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Take back the Republican Party?

In the entire history of the Republican Party, how many years of it's existence has it actually defended the rights of the individual and actively shrunk the size and role of government?

Saw my first Gary Johnson bumper sticker today. Election is over

What Libertarian movement? Is that the Bob Barr movement?

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Who did the Republicans nominate the past election?

Oh yeah, that Obama clone, Romney. I guess that means all future Republican nominees are discredited by prior bad choices, eh? When was the last good Republican nominee for president? Hmmm, now when did Ron Paul run as a Libertarian? It seems the Libertarians have a better track record of nominating candidates than the Republicans that have got us to where we are today. Oh well, I'm sure Romney was way better than that horrible candidate that spoke at Ron Paul's Rally for the Republic, Gary Johnson. :)

Splitting Hairs over the Name of the Movement

So many people are worried about whether we are the Liberty Movement or the r3VOLution, or Ron Paul Libertarians or Ron Paul Republicans, or ... whatever.

this is ridiculous. as soon as we recognize that one term is the NeoLiberty lefties, they'll change it again, to be whatever we think is more reasonable. They aren't stupid, they adapt.

We have to use the Duck test to decide what is real and what isn't. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck....

To that end, I think its best that we make a decision to not embrace any leader who doesn't have AT LEAST a decade of verifiable strong liberty credentials. Like Dr No has and like Judge Napolitano has.

Jumping behind Rand at this point is premature at best. I'm not on the rand-bandwagon simply because I want to see a decade of solid liberty votes. One of the most powerful, convincing arguments for voting for Ron Paul in this last election was "look at his record, he doesn't break his stands. You know for sure that he actually has a backbone so he's as good as his word.

If you can't make that argument about a new proposed leader of the liberty movement, then go home. These new guys that have started talking the talk, and walking it to some extent... give them a decade, and they will be viable candidates. Until then, hold to the principles, not the "organized" movement, lest the organization lead you astray.

As far as the third party route to doing things, I honestly believe we'd get farther by attempting to overthrow BOTH parties with liberty minded candidates, rather than attempt to make a third party for them to ridicule. certainly that is how the anti-liberty movement has had so much success.

peace

Without Ron Paul the movement would still be waiting to start...

Certainly others came before (Rothbard, Bastiat, the founding fathers, etc.) but to call the restoration of the principles of freedom to front and center in the limelight because of Ron Paul and his followers a "hijack" puts a negative spin on the liberty movement. It's the most positive thing I've seen in my lifetime. We've had our freedom hijacked and I just would like to get it back!

-Bloatedtoad

If you framed this question

If you framed this question correctly, it would sound like this:

"Are individualistic liberty-minded people trying to take over the individualistic liberty-minded movement?"

Sounds rather silly when you frame it like that. People please. Forget what things are named. Look at them for what they are. A "Ron Paul Republican" much like a "Libertarian" are both individualists. A "Neocon Republican" much like a "Democrate" are both collectivists. Individualists have nothing in common with collectivists, even when we share simliar titles. Titles are there to confuse and divide. They never mean the same thing to any two people. They provide an emotion reaction to help divide those who should be on the same time. Call things as they are... individualist and collectivist. The rest is fluff.

Wow.

Slapping for deceptive language gymnastics.... BY USING LANGUAGE GYMNASTICS!

No, actually a "Neocon Republican" AND "Ron Paul Republican" (and "Tea Party Republican" and "Christian conservative Republican" and "Compassionate Conservative Republican") ARE ALL COLLECTIVIST!!!!!!!! ALL REPUBLICAN!!!!! Same thing. Sorry if that stings a little, but IT IS FACT!

CORRECT:
"Titles are there to confuse and divide. They never mean the same thing to any two people. They provide an emotion reaction to help divide those who should be on the same time."
Yes, SPOT ON! Like you JUST DID WITH COLLECTIVIST "Ron Paul Republican"!!!!!!!!

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

Freedom, liberty, and their common defense.

"Ron Paul Republicans - ARE ALL COLLECTIVISTS!!!!!!!"

Anarchists aren't Libertarians. Anarchy is worthless to liberty. Libertarians aren't trying to co-opt the Libertarian movement, Anarchists are, because they know "the Anarchist party" just isn't going to work...

Good thing the rest of us live in the real world, and know that liberty isn't what Anarchy produces.

Seething with jealousy much Reed?

Just be happy libertarianism is on the rise in this country. Never mind who gets the credit.

Never mind who gets the credit.

+1 Bump

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Amen!

The credit goes to Ron Paul, and constitutional libertarians. Not the Libertarian Party and not the leftist republican party.

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

Actually, not quite accurate.

TEA PARTY:
Constitutional libertarians (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY PARTICULAR PARTY) started the Tea Party, because of republican/democrat (same thing) attempted amnesty and Oct 08 TARP/Bailouts.
EXAMPLE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6xWGvdRQ9Q
CO-OPTING:
Currently, the Tea Party is almost entirely co-opted by the LEFTIST republican party. They DECEPTIVELY call themselves "Tea Party Republicans." The results are FAKE-TEA GOP groups Tea Party Express, Tea Party Nation, Tea Party Patriots, Freedomworks, FAKE-TEA GOPers Armey, Palin and Beck.
RESULTS:
The "tsunami" of 2010 was championed as the "Tea Party Goes To Washington" and a "game-changer." What ACTUALLY HAPPENED was that NAIVE tea partiers... ELECTED MORE REPUBLICANS (like West, Rubio, Brown and Bachmann) and got extended Patriot Act, NDAA, CR, CR, CR, debt ceiling hikes, SOPA/PIPA/CISPA, amnesty schemes, MORE WAR, MORE GOVERNMENT, LESS FREEDOM.

LIBERTY MOVEMENT:
Constitutional libertarians (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY PARTICULAR PARTY) evolved from the co-opted tea party and rallied around CONSTITUTIONAL LIBERTARIAN Ron Paul and the C4L. The Liberty Movement attracted folks from ALL PARTIES around CONSTITUTIONAL LIBERTARIAN Ron Paul (NOT THE GOP).
CO-OPTING:
Currently, the SAME GOP CO-OPTERS who gobbled up the Tea Party (LISTEN PEOPLE) ARE NOW TARGETING THE LIBERTY MOVEMENT!!!!!!!! Same tactics, same propaganda, same technique of marginalizing people WHO WILL NOT BE CO-OPTED. They are in the language-poaching phase. You will see them by their DECEPTIVE TITLE "republiCANs" or "Ron Paul Republicans." They have PUSHED AWAY Alex Jones, Adam Kokesh, Tom Woods, the Ron Paul Ragamuffins, Danny Panzella, Luke Rudkowski and ANYONE ELSE WHO WILL NOT BE CORRALLED ONTO THE REPUBLICAN PLANTATION!
RESULT:
Benton, Hunter and Rand Paul (AN EMBARRASSING SELLOUT, REPUBLICAN TROPHY WIFE, Establishment-PROMOTER who rambles on and on and on about "damn democrats" LIKE RUSH LIMBAUGH DOES, and pushes Pathways to Amnesty.

OWS:
Started as a young, STUPID angry (UNAFFILIATED WITH ANY PARTY) movement. Mostly university-educated kids who INSTINCTIVELY KNOW something's FUBAR... but HAS NOT the knowledge to understand WHY.
EXAMPLE (of a SMART one):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKqP6v_BoV4
CO-OPTING:
A little more complicated. The leftist democrat party tried and FAILED MISERABLY to co-opt OWS. The leftist republican party did the opposite... they FALSELY POSITIONED OWS as "democrat" or "democrat-friendly" AND claimed they were the OPPOSITE of the Tea Party (AN ABSOLUTE LIE).

CONCLUSION:
See the pattern? GOOD GOD, TELL ME YOU SEE IT! The LEFTIST republican party and LEFTIST democrat party ARE PARTNERED!!!!! They survive by (A) KEEPING US DIVIDED AS "red" or "blue" - WHEN WE'RE NOT THAT DIFFERENT and (B) TRICKING US INTO THINKING THERE'S NO VIABLE ALTERNATIVE!

JOB ONE IN RESTORING CONSTITUTIONAL LIBERTY:
I know it hurts. I know it may mean loss for a few election cycles. BUT WE MUST ENCHAIN OURSELVES FROM THESE TWO LEFTIST, MANIPULATING PARTIES! NOW!!! NOT TOMORROW! NOT 2016! NOW!!!!!! TODAY!!!!!!!! Oh... and State nullification, too (which most co-opters ridicule)...
http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

Amen Brother Winston!

The enemies to liberty always try to funnel people back to the corrupt parties. How supposedly awake people can have trouble identifying these patterns is beyond me. May the Romney voters that down vote your comments, and put party before principle rot in hell.

Thanks for the sentiment.

I get your frustration.

But, abandoning the Republican Party as your footnote suggests won't solve anything. We're a two-party system and always will be. When educating, we naturally should at least sound non-partisan in order not to run off Democrats. But, there's really no other way forward than for US to coopt the GOP.

The difference between you and me...

is the word "sound."

I STAND FOR TRUTH, GOD AND CONSTITUTIONAL LIBERTY! I don't have to "sound" like ANYTHING BUT WHAT I AM! THIS IS RON PAUL!!!!!!!!

You, HAVE JUST ADMITTED your DECEPTIVE tactic of shaping your conversation to coerce people into the leftist republican party. THIS IS RAND PAUL!!!!

This is no insignificant difference... I submit, IT'S EVERYTHING!

If my leg is mauled by a bear and I am bleeding to death, I MUST APPLY A TOURNIQUET! Yes, I realize I will lose my leg... BUT I WILL SURVIVE! Republican loyalists (at least the honest ones) remind me of someone who will actually bleed to death WITHOUT a tourniquet... to keep from "losing" their leg. We MUST be comfortable with loss. We MUST accept the Constitution IS GONE! Our actions MUST ACKNOWLEDGE LOSS! We MUST reject the leftist republican/democrat (same thing) party... TO SURVIVE AND NOT BLEED TO DEATH!

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

Alright, have it your way.

Let's say we abandon the GOPers.......What now? Where do we go?

Ron Paul started the

Ron Paul started the Tea-party during his first money-bomb in the 2008 election. Sorry, you're incorrect.

Ahhh....

there's truth to that, but generally speaking the Tea Parties that popped up in multiple cities ignited after TARP. Oh, and I actually forgot, (I need kicked for this) one of the PRE-CO-OPTED Tea Party grievances was Ron Paul's END THE FED.

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

The libertarian party is a nice way to cast a protest vote...

...in general elections, nothing more. The future of libertarianism is the Ron Paul faction within the GOP, that's quite obvious in my opinion. And that's fine by me.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

The Ron Paul movement is

The Ron Paul movement is bigger than libertarianism and always has been. It is pro-life(though not exclusively) and most of all VERY pro-peace.

Ventura 2012

The GOP doesn't care about

The GOP doesn't care about the Tea Party, didn't you see the convention?

Southern Agrarian