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Senate Votes To Tighten Sanctions On Iran - Rand Paul Votes Yes 11/30/12

http://news.yahoo.com/senate-votes-tighten-sanctions-iran-15...

Not one single no vote.

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 112th Congress - 2nd Session
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 3232 to S. 3254 (National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2013)
Statement of Purpose: To enhance sanctions imposed with respect to Iran.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_c...

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Rand Paul

I would never send him a nickel should he ever run for president.In Fact I would never have funded Ron Paul had I known he was a Quitter. I feel like I wasted my money.

What's wrong with being a quitter?

Would it have been better that he had spent the campaign money on tv ads or something else that would now be gone to the mist?

Quit while you're ahead - there is wisdom in this.

It was probably the pandas

Rand Paul 2016

Ron Paul did not give up, he lost. Why do we rehash old talking points or try to alter reality. What the Republican Party did to the Ron Paul delegates was dirty and I voted for Gary Johnson, but this man did not give up. Mitt Romney had the majority of delegates before the Tampa Convention. Ron Paul is not a quitter and neither is his US Senator, son.

rand is a play along to get along

typical politician, which means he is a different kind of quitter. he is anti war yet votes for sanctions, an act of war and endorsed a pro war candidate. israel murders civilians and now is building more settlements after palestine's UN victory, and rand has plans to visit nutanyahoo and his terrorist state. the doublespeak the pro rand folks are putting out would be laughable if it wasn't so disturbing..

Rand is far from typical

No one in politics grew up under Ron Paul, listened, watched, studied, and in his forst political campaign managed to win a senate seat. WOW. That's why he's on MSM talking about things the typical politicain does not talk about, hemp production, personhood, liberty.. something Ron Paul made many speaches that the public didn't hear until he published them in a book.

Rand is far from typical, otherwise he would have far more influence.. instead, he is having to deal with TPTB and their cronies who we all knowlie, cheat and rob and find ways to out who doesn't go along to get along. Of course this is ok with you, because you're not involved, you have no hard decisions to make, you are on the outside looking in and making judgements about Rand, having never attempted to do what he's doing.

It's easy to point out faults when you have nothing to risk.. Rand has much at risk and you care about as much as his enemiess.. matter of fact, you agree with his enemies and abet his enemies rather than get in and help Rand, after all,, how wonderful it is when you can do nothing, rish nothing and be right?

I would LOVE to tour Israel/Palestine with Rand.. I think it's going to be a wonderful trip with new voices emerging and hope taking shape.

I love Ron Paul but....

I have supported him for 17 years.

BUT, he via Benton, Tate and the other goons in his campaign staff, took a powder down the home stretch. He did not stay until the bitter end.... which is the same kind of commitment he asked of his grass roots followers.

A political campaign is a war. There are no 'do overs in battle. The Paul campaign had a curious 'love fest' with Romney throughout the entire primary cycle. Go figure that. The entire time the Romney people did nothing but dirty tricks to slap the Paul delegates down and out of the process.

Ron Paul is still a great man in my mind. But he did give up. I don't think Rand is a quitter. I think he is a LOSER!

"In Fact I would never have

"In Fact I would never have funded Ron Paul had I known he was a Quitter. I feel like I wasted my money."

Ron Paul would not have solved all of the problems we face in 1 or 2 terms. Had he won, many may possibly have relaxed and not furthered local/state, or what we should be striving for on a personal level. He may have backed off, he may not have. But the brushfires have been set, because of the struggle.

If we had to do it all again, knowing the results, I would have contributed my time and frn's the same that I did.

Ron Paul has stood the test of time. So has his value. I do not regret one penny or second.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Ron Paul never quit.

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Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesnt want to hear -RonPaul

he is still fighting, and spreading the

libertarian message.
a college tour is being lined up for 2013. watch for even larger crowds. isn't the plan to spread this message far and wide and one day reach a tipping point?

for those who want to play politics with rand as their man fine, but realize that many find him simply uninspiring. if you think the GOP will embrace him i think you're kidding yourself.
and i doubt very much you're ever going to see him igniting the youth of the country either.
he's placed him in the neither fish nor fowl position and that's because the devil's bargain is NEVER a good bargain.

I know he Didn't

Quit, but he is still asking for money. I just got a letter the other day. If giving money is the way of winning than we are going to lose every single time. We will always lose if it involves money. I still don't get why his son would endorse a Criminal like Romney, especially that early. He could have did it after the convention. I like what RAnd is doing but 2016 is use less. The American society is brain washed. I tried waking them up. Nobody wants to listen.

NJ

You must do what you feel is right. Consider that the world relies on money, there is no way around that. Repubs, Dems are very well organized, and have the funds to be. We were silenced up to and including Tampa. To spread the message of Liberty requires each and every one of us. But it also costs money to distribute literature, ads, etc. C4L, imo, provides additional cohesion, and allows a method for others to join, participate, interact, among many other things. Even if you can not afford to donate via form, at least drop a dollar, or spare change, into the jug to help your local chapter. Every bit counts, especially when we are not funded by the corrupt ptb.

I will not speak concerning Rand. Between now and election, I will let time and voting records speak for itself. There may or may not be other candidates deserving of my support.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Rand Paul would vote like Ron if 49 others would vote with him.

There is no point damaging your reputation with NEO-CONs if your vote is not going to change the outcome.

Rand is voting correctly and standing up for us every single time he can actually make a difference in the outcome.

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The point is to take a stand!

That's why we love 'Dr. No' Ron Paul! For heroically standing his ground time and time again.

If you think

They are going to let Rand Run than you are dreaming. If Ron Paul can't win, Rand will never win. I already see the Neo Cons souping up Allen West. They are going to do the same damn tactic all over again. By putting up 8 Neo Cons and one true conservative. All 8 are going to play to defeat the conservative. Nothing is going to change.

Allen West can't even win his re-election to the house.

Allen West lost and he is done.

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so if the majority are pro-choice

he'll be pro-choice too? I doubt it.

Why is it he's able to vote with his conscience when it's about killing unborn children but when it's about killing foreign children he throws his morals out the window and votes with the herd?

You either have morals or you don't. You don't get to pick and choose.

the guy has been collecting cash for 'saving' 56 million unborn american babies while he votes to kill babies elsewhere... he deserves nothing but disdain.

Bump......I think All of the Fan Boys

want everyone to grade Rand on a curve. Now that the, "Rand is Stupid like a Fox" meme has died an appropriate death, it seems the 'curve' is all they have left, as they beg for respect for Rand, where none is deserved.

And is true freethink2012,Rand's apologists want to frame the debate just as you describe it: "Oh okay, so he voted for sanctions; and so it will off thousands of Iranian kids, but just think of all of the good Rand is doing for the poor helpless unborn fetuses in the USSA". FAIL!

A Men

Brother! You said it so true.

Meaning

He should follow the other sheep? RON PAUL NEVER WENT WITH THE FLOW! He didn't care a whip what 49 other states, douchebag congressmen or the freaking president thought! He was willing to stand alone and be honest no matter what! Are you suggesting that Rand should be a wimp and give in to the status quo? We on DP are here because we DON'T go with the flow of the mindless sheep! Why are you here advocating that it's good to do so? Go hang out on the Fox site! Not here! THIS IS THE Daily PAUL! For me that means RON PAUL! Not Rand or Gary or anyone else!

skippy

Honestly

I dont really care how Rand voted, Im pretty pissed my Senator voted Yay on this. Despite that there is a possibility Rand Paul may not even run for POTUS in 2016, We must not lose focus at what this bill actually means. The USA will be actively pushing forward at the most critical part of the world to set off a Third World War. That is my concern and should be everyone's who is here.

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?
http://youtu.be/yNF09pUPypw

How many of us would even be here if RON Paul had that attitude?

I'm not saying anything about Rand one way or another, except that I disagree with this vote, but if we can't hold individuals responsible for their own votes, and actions, why on earth support them?

Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesnt want to hear -RonPaul

There is a time and a place for every strategy.

I support Rand Paul!

I can

See my self voting for Rand but they are just going to cheat it all over again. It is Revolution of Communism. Make the choice.

You're fully correct, sir.

You're fully correct, sir. But, now we are all here. Rand is politicking. Obviously it's to the dismay of the no one but Paul folks. But it's necessary.

To me, Ron's gift and legacy is a Gold Standard - for candidates

That is what I want, and all else will be measured against it. I'm not throwing away the legacy Ron Paul left us of 30 years of consistency, showing it CAN be done, and we should raise our standards to demand it.

It WOULD be a tragedy if we let any candidate ruin the standard Ron set.

I don't want to attack Rand, I appreciate several of his positions, which is more than I can say for most senators. He just doesn't interest me as much any more.

Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesnt want to hear -RonPaul

The Ron Paul Political Standard. :)

I agree. We need more people willing to "stand alone".....otherwise what's a stand at all even worth? I refuse to play the game and I refuse to vote for people who do. Not all my candidates will win, but standing alone paves the way for future liberty activists to stand together.

ln

It doesn't even have to be 49 others: even if 10 others

would have voted nay (a small but concerted opposition to the sanctions), Rand would have voted nay.

A nay vote in this instance is completely useless, meaningless and actually counter productive to GROW this movement politically.

Some people here can't accept the fact that Rand has a different role than his father to grow the ideas of liberty; others here know that fact but are actively seeking to divide. Rand is a senator and actually does have to chose his battles, he's not there to educate: IMO that was/is Ron Paul's role and he's accomplished a fabulous job. Rand actually has power to change things politically one thing at a time, something Ron Paul, because of his political isolation, was unfortunately unable to do often.

Unless you want Rand to give gratuitous political leverage to his (and ours) adversaries then you understand that a nay vote is actually counter productive in this SPECIFIC situation, big time.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

Agreed, he is not going to vote NO and take on the "CRAZY" label

And that is a good call on Rand's part.

There is nothing for him or for any of us to gain if he votes NO all by himself.

Such action must have a COALITION behind it.

Without a COALITION of Senators he will get the "CRAZY" bogus label attached to him very quickly.

This was something Ron was not able to overcome and Rand is wise to it.

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Yes I see your point

but after many votes and trials of his conscience will he be morally expedient 0,38,50,or 62% of the time? I presume you believe he will be on liberty's side at least 50% of the time. I would bet that he will be voting for his own self interest (money,power) more than my liberty. He is too slick (politically expedient) for my taste. I will grant you though that at this stage there still is good potential. We will just have to see how he plays out.

Agreed

Even though I wish Rand hadn't voted this way, I believe it is just part of his strategy. Not voting for these sanctions could push away Republicans in 2016. A "no" vote would not have changed the outcome. He is different than his father.

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien