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Ron Paul: I Hope Rand Sticks to the Principles of Liberty

Ron Paul: I Hope Rand Sticks to the Principles of Liberty.

Ron Paul is interviewed on FOX News Radio on leaving Congress in his last term.


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Change the video in the OP

Can someone edit the OP and replace it with the original video which I uploaded? I spent time recording it and uploading it...If you look in the bottom corner of the video it says I originally uploaded it.

I don't believe in IP (obviously), it's just annoying to take the time out and record interviews only to have someone rip off your hard work.


What is with all the bipolars

What is with all the bipolars here who need to proclaim someone as either their savior or evil incarnate? It's the same type of thing going on everywhere with these people beating others over the head with all their ideas until finally the other person disagrees with something, at which point the heretic is a neocon piece of trash and "if you don't understand ______ then you don't get liberty at all". This site has gotten so disgusting that way. These people seriously want the entire movement to be the underdog forever and want to find a way to alienate as many people as possible.

I'd say that if anyone could be sure of how his son

was going to behave, it would be his father.. You'd think after raising the fella, if he was sure that Rand was all about Liberty, then Dr.Paul could stand up with confidence and state.. "Rand WILL hold to the principles of Liberty"...

If his own Father isn't sure, I sure as hell am not.

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You're a funny guy.

Rand is Inside and is Fighting the Establishment Den of Lions...

so he MUST "play" as one.

Hello 2016...

And vote like one too

That ought to trick them pretty good. And when he retires from tricking the establishment into thinking he's like them, maybe he can get a lobbying position from a major defense firm and REALLY trick those neocons by lobbying for all the things they love. When he finally dies, we'll put on his tombstone: "He really tricked them all".

Are you experiencing vision problems...

...from excessive navel gazing?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Ha-ha! Well, he's certainly tricking some people...


If Rand

is inline with even half of his dads beliefs and holds true to them that still makes him 100% better than anybody else in Congress and especially anybody else that is positioned to be a real contender for POTUS. You guys need to just face the fact that you CANT HAVE IT ALL when your government is 100% corrupt! He has to get his hands dirty to gain position with these Neotards. Try looking at the glass as half full instead of half empty! You guys that want all or nothing are pissing in the wind and WILL NEVER get to where you want to be! Rand is doing what he has to do to get where we need him to be. We all love Ron Paul and have MUCH respect for his consistency but the fact is we can not get where we want to be by being purist in a corrupt system. You have to start somewhere and half way there is better than nowhere at all..get a grip people and wake up to REALITY !

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

Sorry, I don't vote for the lesser of two evils.

Never have, never will. This "you can't have it all" stance is the exact argument my elderly neocon relatives used to try and get me to vote for Romney. This is nothing new and has always been the argument for every election.

Perhaps you're correct that I'll never achieve my Ron Paul standard by demanding it. However, expecting to achieve our own utopian society by perpetually taking what we can get from a "100% corrupt" government never made much sense to me. If that's the game than I refuse to play it.

That is my REALITY - And I must say it's a very liberating feeling.

If men are good, you don't need government; if men are evil or ambivalent, you don't dare have one.

Yeah well Rand Paul isn't evil. That's the difference

Even if you can point out differences from his father, he will never be the greater or lesser of two evils because he just isn't evil. He's about the best we have in the senate and the best we got in position to run.

All or nothing is going to get you nothing.

As if the typical Romney supporter would tell you he was evil?

Evil is a relative term. You and I could go round-and-round all day on Rand Paul and go nowhere. For example, Ron Paul and I both agree that sanctions on Iran are an "act of war" and I believe acts of war are evil. No doubt you and I will disagree on this point.

Thus, if Rand is the "best we have" it simply is not good enough for ME. That's all I'm trying to say. I hope you can respect and accept that just as I do about your opinion of Rand.

Also, I highly disagree with your "All or nothing is going to get you nothing" position.

RON Paul was/is my version of "ALL". He met my relative standard for President just as he did with you or you wouldn't be here. It's like this... I wrote-in Ron Paul for 2008 & 2012. I was going to either vote for Ron Paul (ALL) or not vote (NOTHING). And you (just like the Romney supporters I mentioned earlier) want to tell me I came away with NOTHING!? REALLY!!!??? ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT!!!???

If you will not see that than I'm truly very sorry.

If men are good, you don't need government; if men are evil or ambivalent, you don't dare have one.

Anyone who votes for murderous sanctions...

...against men, women and children who have done NOTHING to us, is evil in my book. As is anyone who supports such a person...

I can understand your position on

the lesser of two evils where candidates like Romney vs Obama or Bush vs Clinton etc are concerned but Rand Paul as it stands is nowhere near an evil of any sorts. We have to take steps to get where we want to be in a corrupt system and that is just what he is doing and he is doing it for US. I do not think for a minute that Rand is that far away from his father on the issues. He is doing what he has to do to be considered for the nomination!
He learned a lot from watching his father lose several bids for POTUS.
I respect your position and as i have said, we all love Ron Paul for his consistency but we also have to admit a purist will never win in this environment . I believe Rand is a true Libertarian Conservative and once he is where he needs to be to make real change he will move back to being the old Rand Paul.
He is simply gaming for position, you NEED to understand that. Anyway, i'm not gonna get in to it with people i agree with but you guys seriously need to keep a open mind and understand what Rand is doing here. Rand who was raised by his father is not doing this because he wants to. He is doing it to position himself where he CAN make a difference. You have to play the game to win my friend and nothing will change that pesky little fact. If you want real change you have to get somebody in position to make that change happen and that is what Rand is doing and you should get behind him and support him....

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

Believe me, I understand it better than you give me credit.

"once [Rand] is where he needs to be...he will move back" and "[Rand] is simply gaming for position". It's the don't you know Rand is a Trojan Horse argument. The belief is that this tactic of rolling in the mud with pigs is necessary to win the White House and is a prerequisite for "real change".

I know already. I get it! This has been THE argument for Rand all along that I've addressed here a few times before. And whether you believe me or not I honestly and sincerely can appreciate where Rand fans are coming from. Thus my "NEED to understand" it's necessary and all part of a larger plan is not the issue. Not with me at least. The issue as I see it is that we simply have a strong disagreement about the fundamental strategy. It is my position that it's deeply flawed and unnecessary. And if you can indulge me I'll try to explain...

First, believing Rand as a Trojan Horse to fool the enemy into gaining the White house before revealing the true agenda I feel is being naïve. I don't buy for one second that we're so smart to know what's really up while those dumb suckers (i.e. establishment, neocons & RINOs etc.) haven't a clue. Do they not know who Rand's father is, use the internet or know that we exist? Naaah... I give the enemy more credit.

Besides, consider the following: If the Trojan Horse tactic appears to be working it will cast doubt within the Liberty movement and further fracture it more than it already has. But if the Trojan Horse tactic isn't convincing enough it too will backfire with the target. That's the problem when you play the game – you entangle yourself in the terrible web you've weaved. With that approach you can guarantee some percentage loss of credibility.

And I know what you're thinking, "So what? As long as Rand's credibility catches favor with the majority voters and he becomes President." After all it's all part of the game, right?

And that brings me to part two on why I feel the Trojan Horse strategy won't work and why it's completely unnecessary.

Playing the game is losing steam FAST because the game has changed, forever and for the better. Case in point... Ron Paul has been around for decades, spewing the same message without compromise (i.e. not playing the game). So what caused his drastic popularity and support just in this relatively infinitesimal period of time? We all know the answer is because of the internet. Just our being here is self-evident of that fact.

The internet has changed all the rules. Real change is not only happening, it's exploding when you view it in the proper context. The world is now communicating unlike never before in history. And liberty being the path of truth and righteousness will continue to snowball in popularity while the ancient corrupt game of politics is in rapid decline. I personally believe the world is at the precipice for radical change.

Thus by Rand "playing the game" I feel he is positioning himself on the wrong side of the fence. Every contradiction, change in position or show of support for political gain will be added to his permanent record for the world to scrutinize.

I suppose only time will tell which one of us is right.

If men are good, you don't need government; if men are evil or ambivalent, you don't dare have one.

You make great points

and i understand what you are saying and believe it or not, i agree with most of it BUT as i have said, he is the the ONLY shot we have at the moment. I do not believe the Establishment is stupid but i have to stand behind Rand as there is nobody else to stand behind that even comes close to his position right now. He is closer to meeting our goals than anybody so it makes more sense to support him than not.
If he goes way off course i will probably withdraw my support but as of right now i see nothing else on the horizon for us but more losses so i have to support our best contender and that is Rand by far. There wont be another Ron Paul for decades if ever and we simply dont have decades to wait for that to happen. The only thing that could pull me away from Rand at the moment would be for him to stray way off course OR God willing, his father runs again in 2016! Now THAT would be a game changer for sure but i doubt it will happen..
I hope you fall in line and support Rand should he run in 2016.....Peace !

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

there is nothing wrong with

there is nothing wrong with the lesser of evils analogy, as there is always a less evil choice, and evil is subjective anyway. the problem with today's politics is that both choices take us in the wrong direction, so voting for either is detrimental. however, people like gary johnson and rand paul take us in the right direction, despite having some flaws, after all, NOBODY IS PERFECT. if we continue to elect politicians who take us in the right direction, we WILL make progress. we can't sit around waiting forever for a shift in consciousness.

The government we have right now...

...is precisely the result of 200+ years of people voting for the lesser of two evils. How's that working out?

you don't understand what i

you don't understand what i said. if you did, you'd understand that evil is relative.

for example, let's say in an imaginary world, Ron Paul is the GOP nominee and Gary Johnson the Democratic nominee. Both of these gentlemen will take our country in the right direction as guided by the constitution. However, to some people, the other choice is always "evil", despite that candidate's devotion to freedom and the constitution. Regardless of who wins, america moves toward more freedom. contrast this with contemporary politics where either choice moves the country toward less freedom.

about evil

If you really think someone is evil you shouldn't vote for them. The fact that people do astounds me. However, I do agree with you about voting for a candidate that will move us significantly in the right direction. I have a roughly 75% agree with threshold. That left me with 2 candidates this time!! Otherwise I write people in.

If I was only willing to vote for people who I agree with on 100% of issues I'd have to write myself in every time. That isn't a bad idea really. Or not voting at all might be a good idea as well.

Obviously, evil is also cumulative...

...as we're living under a massive accumulation of all the "lesser evils" (regardless of how many) that people have been voting for, for 200+ years.

that is the result of having

that is the result of having misguided politicians as nominees, nothing to do with the "lesser of two evils" strategy.

Let's be honest, Rand is a piece of shit

He's a disgrace to the liberty movement and there's no reason for anyone to support him any longer. Let him go off with the Sarah Palin retards and let us do our thing uncorrupted.



If Ron Paul does, I trust him

to know his son better than any of us do. He may just need some time to search things out.

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Looks like Ron doesn't

Why else would he say he "hopes" Rand will stick to liberty principles? As we can see, he already isn't. Ron never speaks ill of anyone, even his worst enemies. He'll never speak ill of his own son. But I don't doubt he's disappointed in him.

How can you say that it

How can you say that it "looks like Ron doesn't"? Did you watch the clip? I was continuing the sentence that was started... Dr. Paul said that he hopes that Rand will stick to the principles of liberty, and he believes he will.