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Hate Mongering

What's with all the hate here?

Don't like Rand Paul? Don't support or vote for him. I wouldn't vote for him.

The majority of threads here lately hate on others and hate on each other.

I thought the libertarian movement included moving towards peace.

Get over your hate, it is a disgusting trait, and let's get on with constructive ideas for the next few years.

Disagreeing is one thing, the immature insults launched at each other and innocent bystanders is ridiculous and childish.

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lib 101 is now lib 102.
conservative 101 is now conservaive 102
here at the DP.
Liberals confused themselves think RP was one of them with his foreign policy and all.
But that would be the extent of RP being a lib.
He is not a classic lib nor anything else.
He is a constitutional conservative when it comes to gvt, nothing more nothing less.
this also happens to be the choice of most americans.
fiscal conservaives when it comes to federal gvt and constitutional when it comes to federal gvt.

but underlying both is a mizer for conservatism.
He wins with this platform and he saves money to win again.
He still has the first dime I sent his campaign, and conservatives LIKE that.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016


Insults are never productive ways to communicate ideas.

It's easy and fruitless to call names. It's much more challenging and productive to win someone over to your way of thinking.

No.7's picture

bump. +1

Peace and Love!!

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

I hate you ALLLLL!!!

Nah, just the neocons, liberals, closet neocon rand'GJ apologists and in general people who are busy trying to derail what Dr.Paul has set in place and stood for.

Give us a hug!!

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Because it's the INTERWEBZ!


Take a whole bunch of strong minded people, from all over the world, throw in some passionate subjects, sprinkle in some people who have emotional issues and others who don't have basic manners, and this is what you get!

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

jrd3820's picture

No, I get it

We are a passionate lot of people. We are not being productive in the least thought when we fight over who is worse Gary Johnson or Rand Paul and both Gary Johnson and Rand Paul get called a bunch of names while the argument is going on.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

I agree

Discussing is one thing. Being petty, spiteful and hurtful is something else.

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

i haven't seen very much here

that i'd label outright hate. disgust, yeah, strong disagreement, sure and concern, all of which is to be expected when there are these multiple rand posts every day as topics. you want to witness hate mongering go over to huffington post; those people are off the deep end.

jrd3820's picture

I guess we will have to agree to disagree

on that. It seems to me that every other post on here is why we should hate on one person or another. Rand Paul, Ayn Rand, Gary Johnson, Anyone who voted for Obama ever, Hell I saw John Stewart and Bill Maher attacks a while ago and I though... wtf? So, they do not agree with everything Ron Paul has to say, the two of them refused to participate in the media blackout when he was running and probably introduced Ron Paul to some new voters.

Yes, HuffPost people are ridiculous, I just do not want to see us go down that route.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

speaking of Maher

i read in the Liberty Crier he has come out against drone attacks. i took a look at HP and didn't see even a blip.

In my opinion...

...it's not the movement that's splintering, only the Daily Paul. I'm hanging around to see what happens when Ron Paul news really starts to slow, now that he's out of office. What will the violently anti-everything-but-Ron people do with themselves? What will they talk about? Should be entertaining at least...

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

jrd3820's picture

I hope your right.

I hope your right.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

ytc's picture

Not to worry, jrd3820. This is only a sibling rivalry :-)

We are training our skins to get thicker by a little bickering exercise to get ready for the real show-down. . . methinks.

Oh, so you're a tough guy?

Cheers, ytc. The more we inch forward, the tougher it will be. The finish line will be most difficult, but well worth the effort :-)

I'm a tough guy too. I hope others get on board, we, our rights, have been trampled on enough.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

ytc's picture

lol, PAF. . . not a tough guy, but a seasoned grandma with

chicks of all temperaments clucking & crowing under my wings ;-) I consider DP chicks to be of my brood as well. After all, every RonPaul needs Carol's unswerving motherly ~ spousal encouragements. yup.

This is not a Libertarian movement. Even Ayn Rand was a fake.

This is a Ron Paul Republican movement dedicated to taking over the Republican Party.

Anyone who espouses that Libertarians are better than Republicans is ignoring the fact that Bob Barr and Gary Johnson's voting records are triply worse than Rand Paul's calculated endorsement of Mitt Flip Flopp'n Romney.


LP vs libertarian

You're confusing small "L" libertarians with the Libertarian Party. A common mistake, but crucial if you expect to understand true libertarians. Many of us refused to support either Barr or Johnson for various different reasons. Unlike Democrats and/or Republicans, however, we're not partisan "party before principle" voters.


Sorry, you are just wrong. The Liberty Movement is about liberty. How hard is that? It is not about taking over the GOP - that is impossible and just plain stupid. It can be about taking over all political parties, however.

Remember, the Freedom Message is popular.

Dr. Paul encouraged us to spread the message to both parties, independents, etc... He told us (and I wholeheartedly agree), that when we have knowledge of what is really happening, that we are in danger, that we are obligated to spread the truth, it is a moral responsibility.

He did not say play politics and kiss the GOP's ass.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

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This is what does not make sense to me

What do you mean Ayn Rand was a fake? She was never in congress, maybe she wrote her books for entertainment, but does that mean they cannot be helpful to some libertarian ideas?

I've shared this story here already, I'll do it again.

I received a public school education where I was indoctrinated into the idea that socialism can work. When I was 16 I seriously asked my libertarian Dad who voted for Ron Paul 20 years ago what was wrong with socialism because I thought it sounded so nice. Two years later I read Atlas Shrugged and Ayn Rand explained to me what was wrong with socialism. Atlas Shrugged allowed me to look at economics and the market place from a completely different point of view. Atlas Shrugged illustrated to me why governments should have very little role in the market place. So, what do you mean she was a fake? I shouldn't look at her writing as influential and possible ideological catalyst for someone else simply because she did not believe everything Ron Paul believed in?

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

She was an entertainer/author who made up fiction.

She did not claim to believe what she wrote.

Her books might as well have been written by Dick Morris; another who is quite good at entertaining with conjured-up ideas that are foreign to his beliefs.


jrd3820's picture

Who cares?

Who cares if she did not believe what she wrote? Some of what she wrote is powerful and has helped people look at government in a whole new way. What difference does it make? The ideas presented in her works resonate and usually have a profound effect on the people that read her books.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

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I was under the impression it

I was under the impression it was a site to promote liberty regardless of what type of label someone may choose to place on themselves.

It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. – Mark Twain

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You are right to think that way. If you love the idea of liberty you should be welcomed here. I think we are moving away from that on this site though because it seems you can only be here if you hate Obama, hate Rand Paul, hate Ayn Rand, hate Romney, hate Gary Johnson, and basically anyone who is not Ron Paul himself.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss