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Half of Democrats and a Quarter of Republicans Approve Socialism

Submitted by Paulreal on Sat, 12/01/2012 - 19:50
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That's what a recent Gallop poll reveals.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/30/Half-Of-D...

A recent Pew poll showed that more than half of people aged 18-29 had a favorable view of socialism. http://www.dailypaul.com/261434/americans-aged-18-29-have-a-...

What is the appeal of socialism?

The concept of socialism appeals on a very base level- one that doesn't require much economic thought.

Socialism appeals to the concept of fairness almost on a primal level-Get the government to force people to hand over their money for the common good.

For the socialist no understanding that personal and economic liberty are intertwined is required. http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/indivisible-liberty-pe...

No understanding of how wealth is created is needed. For the socialist, just an understanding that some one else has what you don't have and you can petition the government to get it is the theme.

Concepts of government corruption, cronyism, waste, fraud and abuse are easily dismissed by the socialist-better to let such a government have the money than some rich dude.

The socialist utopia is paid for via taxing and spending and in its more recent incarnation of printing (by the Federal Reserve) and spending.

"Who to tax?" the socialist asks. "the rich, of course" Why? "because they can afford it!"

The rich can also afford to burn one dollar bills in their fire places, toss money out of windows, save it, spend it, or invest it.

The socialist decides that they know best what the rich should do with their money-turn it over to the government.

Socialists brim with envy-See Ron Paul's Liberty Defined on Envy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAIyc6NXV0A

Socialsts would rather live in a country where the top earners make $40,000 and the poorest $10,000, vs. a society where the top earners make millions and the poorest make $25,000 because it fairer.

Socialist fail to recognize that the more rich people a free market society has, the richer all of its citizens are -its an indication of a society producing an abundance of goods and services at a decent price.

Wealth disparity is a red herring.

The poorest in America are wealthier than the vast majority of the people living in abject "fair" poverty in Communist Cuba.

I could go on but let's hear what you have to say.

Or read what Mises has to say in the Anti-Capitalist Mentality or Socialism

or what Frank Chodorov has to say in Income Tax: The Root of all Evil


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Ron Paul Envy is one of the driving forces of redistributionists

Submitted by Paulreal on Sat, 12/01/2012 - 21:21.

policies in the United States"

Here is Ron Paul's Liberty Defined Chapter on Envy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAIyc6NXV0A

& Frank Chodorov states that income tax

Submitted by Paulreal on Sat, 12/01/2012 - 21:26.

merely gives expression to the people's envy

Frank Chodorov on taxation

Submitted by Paulreal on Sat, 12/01/2012 - 22:59.

"There cannot be a good tax nor a just one; every tax rests its case on compulsion." - Frank Chodorov

We live in Bizzaro World.

Submitted by dducks on Sat, 12/01/2012 - 20:25.

Didn't humanity just live through the century of failed socialism? How many more deaths and do these people need to witness before they realize that IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK? The USSR, China, Cuba, Yugoslavia, & Vietnam were all experiments of socialism. They were dubbed communist but they were barely socialistic.

WTF?

Thanks!

Submitted by dducks on Sun, 12/02/2012 - 23:06.

Murray and me! I have been falling asleep every night with that high Bronxesque voice cackling at me. I adore him.

I will read it tonight.

Bizzaro indeed, I heard a lecture on Mises.org today

Submitted by Paulreal on Sat, 12/01/2012 - 20:33.

it was a Russian from the Soviet Union and he said-the one thing that history teaches us, is nothing.

The problems exploding in Japan and Europe

Submitted by Paulreal on Sat, 12/01/2012 - 20:30.

are the result of failed experiments in the state providing massive entitlements. The response is more government spending because its human nature to want to get something for nothing.
Politicians pander to this sentiment and offer more goodies that they will pay for either by borrowing, printing or taxing their fellow citizens to pay for.

Yeah well depending on how

Submitted by Tudo on Sat, 12/01/2012 - 20:17.

Yeah well depending on how you phrase the question you'll find a large portion of ronpaulforums also think it's a peachy idea. Ditto right here. Most cannot even define the "underlying principles" of socialism.

If you don't even know what moves it you can't be for or against it really but the simplest thing to do is be for it so they're for it just like the reasons they are for it are just as selfish which is something else they don't think they are but they are.

See the thread on the fella who wants to get out of the rotc contract he signed but not pay the money he took back and to avoid doing so he's trying to find a different way to do so. How pathetic. One guy calls him on it and another uses cheap language in reply to show how ignorant he is .

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The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good things is my religion. Thomas Paine, Godfather of the American Revolution

I recall that thread

Submitted by Paulreal on Sat, 12/01/2012 - 20:27.

I think in a free society there is a greater sanctity of contracts. When the government gets involved not as referee through providing courts for contract disputes, but as participant in contracts (guaranteeing loans) or as a direct interloper (bailouts), contracts take on less of a moral significance

I think if one is fully versed in liberty

Submitted by Paulreal on Sat, 12/01/2012 - 20:17.

they understand that property rights and personal freedom go hand in hand and that turning over the care of the individual to the state doesn't work as it harms both the productive individual through taxes and regulation (which hihibits production that inures to the whole of society) and doesn't do the poor much good as it creates a culture of dependency and the direct benefits are not that good-especially for the cost to the tax payer- over $60K per person on welfare.

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