Why is Israel our ally, some even argue the greatest of our allies?
Submitted by PsychoWorld on Sat, 12/01/2012 - 22:29We have all heard of it, Israel is our ally, we must defend our greatest ally, Friends don't let friends get nuked, the list goes on.
So here's something to discuss, why is Israel our ally at all?
I have not heard of anyone who gives a reason behind their statement: "Israel is our ally" Friends, family, politicians, or media talking heads. It was simply given to me as a fact.
What have Israel ever done that is in favor of the United States, but is not directly in their national interests? Because I am sure the USA have done that in many occasions.
Why were they considered an "ally" to begin with?
Where did the notion of Israel being an ally even come from?
I hope anyone who comments can help to shed light on this matter
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simplistic thinking
You are only reading conspiratorial histories and then affirming your worldview to that sole context. Reality is a lot more complex.
It was Britain that wanted to prevent the nationalizing of Iran's oil companies and the US was reluctant to help until they used anti-Communist justifications. Perhaps you should read more and be more critical in your assumptions that everything is a nice neat little conspiracy?
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB126/iran530320.pdf
You just made my point for
Oooh the "C" word...try public choice economics you uneducated prick. You just made my point for me. We went into Iran under communist pretexts but really to take oil. Exactly like we did in South America long before the cold war. Read General Smedley Butler.
Ventura 2012
I may be wrong, but I"m
I may be wrong, but I"m pretty sure that its because we helped put them in the middle of Palestinian land in 1948 and obligated ourselves to protect them from that day forward.
Blessings )o(
Were there
Anything of legal standing? Like a treaty, agreement, even something like the Balfour declaration?
Either way, I see:
Mossad sharing intelligence with USA
Christian Fundamentalists thinking Israelis are God's Chosen people
regional symbol as a democratic and capitalist country
Anymore???
"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul
Educate the masses, and win in the end.
Show me the treaty.
Isn't a treaty required for sovereign nations to become allies?
Then where oh where is the treaty between these united States and Israel?
Here ya go:
http://maplight.org/us-congress/interest/J5100/view/all
All courtesty of our allies at:
http://www.aipac.org/
Ron and Rand Paul both got contributions
from "pro-Israel" groups.
Rand got $5,500 (second-lowest in the Senate).
Ron got $250. (third-lowest in the House.
I think that's analogous to leaving a waiter a two-cent tip, just so he knows you didn't forget to tip him for his crappy service.
Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...
The simple truth is that
The simple truth is that Israel is NOT an ally. What exactly has it ever done for the US? It has its fingerprints all over 9/11 (see arrest of two sets of Israelis on that day, and the spy ring uncovered soon after). It enrages its neighbors, and promotes instability in the area. Israel has disregarded countless UN resolutions, most of which the US supported.
AINO - Ally In Name Only
With 'allies' like Israel, who needs allies?
Full Disclosure: I have two close family members who are Palestinian by birth; I'm 1/4 Lebanese and have been studying the "special" relationship between the U.S. and Israel and her neighbors for over two decades. I work internationally quite often. Every Muslim I have worked with overseas has asked me, once we break the ice, why the U.S. has such blind support for Israel. I have yet to be able to answer their question to anyone's satisfaction.
Well
Is there absolutely no legitimate reason for the U.S. being so supportive of Israel?
even some reasons like being a regional symbol of democracy or capitalism, or Mossad sharing information, thus "ensure national security"?
"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul
Educate the masses, and win in the end.
"regional symbol" do you mean
"regional symbol" do you mean Imperial outpost? did you bother to vote for Ron Paul? Even while adopting a textbook neo-con foreign policy?
Ventura 2012
Why the US supports Israel blindly
Zionist influence in our government and media, promotion of the Scofield Bible among Christians, and Holohoax guilt, mainly.
Israel is at war with the US
The USS Liberty incident is an act of war for which Israel has made no attempt to apologize or explain. The most effective weapon in their war is mass media, where the notion that Israel is an ally is peddled. There is a war on for your mind, ask AJ.
Ron Paul supports a new 9-11 investigation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH9nOWnp5G0
Alex Jones?
He comes off to me as a bit too emotional based. Whatever, USS Liberty apparently was apologized for and was "mistaken as an Egyptian ship"
Can't say it wasn't explained.
"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul
Educate the masses, and win in the end.
Yeah, a lie is not an acceptable "apology."
They fragged one of their own who refused to fire on it. They knew EXACTLY who they were firing on and why. Truth is, our president conspired with them. That is why this lie is proffered as recompense for an act of war. The traitors in office accepted it, but the American people need to know the truth before they can decide if they accept it or not.
Ever heard of ritual mockery? For me, there is a certain irony in AJ's tag line.
Ron Paul supports a new 9-11 investigation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH9nOWnp5G0
In a word, "Rothschild"
Israel is to be the controlling state of the NWO and Jerusalem is to be its capitol. Remember, we are dealing with a bunch of Satan worshipers here and the Antichrist is to sit on the throne of the restored temple.
Here's your allies
Here's your allies
Mark Dankof exposes Israeli involvement in the 911 attacks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2SsvT...!
Luke 3:38
Isaiah 43:3-5
Artificial state on life support
The two-state policy, where Israel exists as a religiously homogeneous state, will never work on it's own. The US provides the life support for an unsustainable situation.
The region remains unstable and we benefit from it. It gives the US a reason to be politically relevant in the Middle East. Israel is a geopolitical tool.
I believe the Israelis would be better off without our involvement. They would have to figure out how to live with their neighbors. Without US funding they could not afford perpetual war.
"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo
Israel is no-one's ally.
Israel is entirely concerned with their own ambitions. Or should I say the "warring family" in control of that State is entirely concerned with staying in power and pursuing their ambition of creating a Greater Israel that will stretch from the Nile to the Euphrates. In order to do this they have had to balkanise and so weaken any neighbouring States that might stand in the way of their realising that ambition.
In order to do this they have waged a constant campaign of provocation against their neighbours in order to destabilise them and they have used the military power of the United States and NATO as their golem to enforce their will. This will never end until they dominate the world since this is their ultimate objective. American blood and treasure will continue to be spent in pursuit of the Israeli vision.
There are spiritual and esoteric religious powers behind this and have been from the very beginning two thousand years ago. The same spiritual and esoteric religious powers control elements of the US and other Western governments. They have used certain scriptural prophecies to justify their actions and to deceptively secure the support of millions of Christians worldwide.
Israel poses as an ally of the West but they see the West and especially the US merely as a useful beast of burden to carry the weight of their global aspirations. They have fifth columnists known as sayanim working on their behalf in all the Western nations. They are always well placed in positions of power in government, banking, media and key corporations especially in the military industrial complex. There are also Israeli controlled companies with contracts in gatekeeper security roles such as airport security who are used to serve the Israeli agenda.
There is very little anyone can do to rectify this situation since the levers of control lie outside the normal democratic realm. The only real and permanent solution is a spiritual one and that is already being looked after and has been, in its latest form, for two thousand years. The modern denouement of this spiritual war is very close at hand. We are all living at a critical moment in history. The final victory has already been won and is presently being manifested in the physical realm beginning in 2007. The counterfeit world kingdom is falling and the true Kingdom of God is soon to be revealed. The most dramatic physical event that will precede that earth shaking moment will be the total destruction of Jerusalem and the counterfeit State of Israel.
"The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever. So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed." (John 8:35-36)
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Because there are a lot of Zionist Jews with a lot of MONEY! Politicians are WHORES for the highest bidder.
And all these Bible thumpers think we have to give billions to
them when the Muslims consider Jesus a prophet and say "Peace be upon him" when they utter his name and the Jewish faith believes he was just a regular guy.....but that would probably be unbelievable news to most of those folks.
That has nothing to do with it.
Christian Zionists support Jews and not Arabs for one reason. Jews descend from Isaac. Arabs descend from Ishmael.
And they...
...would be wrong.
"And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to the promise." ~ Galatians 3:29
The Talmud calls Mary a whore
and says Jesus is in hell, eternally boiling in hot excrement. I wonder how Christian Zionists reconcile that?
The Problem is, that 99% of Christians
have no clue Judaism is the OT/Torah and the Babylonian Talmud. Most have never even heard about the secret book of the Judaic's. If you know any ignorant Zionist Christian fools, show them this video, which presents undebatable empirical facts! http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/11/the-whole-sordi...
Israel
Is the modern day 'bulwark' against aggressive Moslem and Persian expansion into Europe/West just like Austria, Spain, Constantinople, Greece, Balkans, Romania/Dacia, Jerusalem, etc. were before imo.
With Egypt having a new administration along with others, the situation is more complicated than ever I think.
donvino
Well, if Israel is supposed to be a bulwark
to prevent Muslim expansion into Christendom they're doing a mighty poor job of it. Ever been to Englandistan?
"Israel is our Ally" is a Media Talking Point
It would be more accurate to state that Israel is a parasite. I'm talking about the Israeli government and not the people who are subject the the Israel socialist regime. I won't get into the fact that the Rothschild family (biggest shareholder of the Federal Reserve Bank) were very heavily involved in setting up Israel as a country, but it is in their own interest that the U.S. is beholden to Israel. Cynthia McKinney (former Congresswoman and Presidential candidate in the Green Party in 2008) explains it best in this part 2 of an interview she did in Tehran. Start at 1:22 here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jw6eNVkWqI
-Bloatedtoad
Anyone who loves truth,freedom and peace is my friend.
No matter whether they live in Israel,Mexico,Iran,Canada,Zimbabwe,China,Russia or any other country.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiaxZ_BJWDA&feature=player_de...
That's true
There are people in Israel who don't agree at all with what their government is doing just like we don't agree with what our government does. It may not be the majority but they do exist just like we do. I like to think of us as the vanguard of human evolution, moving mankind further away from savagery.