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Real Clear Politics: Yes, Romney Was the Problem (Mentions treatment of Ron Paul)

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Ditto for the Ron Paul movement. It was outrageous how the Romney team refused to sit a number of pro-Ron Paul state delegations at the convention, all because they didn’t want Ron Paul to be nominated so that Romney could enjoy an unanimous nomination. The stupidity of this move was astounding. Romney already had the votes to win the nomination overwhelmingly but his team was so fixated on the appearance of a perfect nominating convention that they decided to disenfranchise the entire Ron Paul movement. Romney lost tens of thousands of Ron Paul supporters for that action alone.

As someone who has networked with conservative activists for 35 years, I know for a fact that large segments of the tea party and Ron Paul movements did NOT vote for Romney and I also know that many evangelicals refused to support Romney as well. They knew that Romney was, deep down, a big government, socially liberal Republican and believed that electing Romney would set conservatives back decades. They believed that he would – under the mantle of “conservatism” – carry out a big government agenda instead of taking bold action to tame the deficit or get our economy growing again.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/11/27/yes_rom...



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Here is what me thinks

Me thinks the authors analogy is correct but he left out many factors and you guys have done a good job filling in those facts that he missed. There are many reasons Romney lost and for the most part you are all correct. To say the comments are "far out there" is a stretch. There is no one reason he lost, there are many....I do however believe the biggest reason is his disenfranchising of the RP supporters during the primaries and in Tampa...seriously, who the hell would even so much as cross the street to vote for that garbage but a completely clueless RINO Idiot drunk on Fox News propaganda?
Anyways, that is what me thinks...over and out!....

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

The more interesting aspect

Romney effectively bribed his way to the nomination. He paid people to either support him or not to speak out against him. Anyone who took the hush money is disqualified from serious consideration as an honest broker in the future.

over analysis

The comments here are way out there. The analysis is simpler.Romney had a ton of money and the next in line label from 2008. When the Tea Party movement caught fire and Obamacare was the rallying cry Romney was effectively toast because he did Romneycare. The country had changed. But he kept going because he had a machine. Fatal mistake for the Republicans because it meant Repubs could not fun on that issue. Instead he had to minimuze the TP influence.

I predicted this because Romney COULD NOT WIN WITHOUT US.

Romney and his campaign needed to kneel down before Dr. Paul and us and BEG us for our support.

I'm not being arrogant - just realistic.

There are too many of us now in the liberty movement for the GOP to ignore.

But I don't think they learned their lesson.

Otherwise the GOP/RNC would tell A-Holes like Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Michele Bachmann, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, and Michael Medved to SHUT THE HELL UP and that their kind are no longer welcome in the party.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

I think most of the Daily Paul predicted it.

Not trying to take anything away from you, but most of us were saying the same thing.

I voted...

BUT not for RMONEY. A shame too i'm from mass and even though don't agree with sen scott brown he's better than warren. Him and medical marijuana are the only 2 reasons I went and voted. I just wish this article was printed over a year ago

"tens of thousands" ???

How about millions!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know Peace." - Jimi Hendrix

"tens of thousands" is

"tens of thousands" is probably closer to true for 2 reasons. 1st, sadly we aren't as incredibly numerous as we'd like to think. That there are so many millions of Ron Paul supporters that a few million of us could be swayed by the actions of Romney is not being honest.

2nd, I'm a Ron Paul supporter and the disrespect at the RNC didn't lose Romney my vote. Romney's opinions and policy ideas had lost him my vote far before the RNC & I think that is true for most Ron Paul supporters. Romney could have invited Ron up to the stage, talked about him running a strong campaign and seated all our delegates....and I still wouldn't have considered voting for him. I'm not sure if he'd have gotten my vote at that point even by stealing Ron's talking points and platform as I'd doubt his honesty on the matter, but I'd have considered it.

So, I'd guess that number of votes lost by their RNC actions were more realistically in the range of tens of thousands.

Nice

That pretty much summed up what Romney, and the establishment, did wrong.

I have enjoyed not hearing this man's name--

I don't know if he was a dupe or a machinator--

but I've enjoyed not hearing his name or seeing his face or hearing his voice--

I had two family members (living in different places) tell me, "I don't want to hear that man's name again"--

or "I could spend the rest of my life without hearing that name"--

that isn't much of a legacy for a person--

Yes, *we* are only three--

but I don't think *we* are the only ones--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Does this author actually believe this lie? He states....

(Romneys) "team was so fixated on the appearance of a perfect nominating convention that they decided to disenfranchise the entire Ron Paul movement". WTF? We were disenfranchised alright, but here the author is so incorrect it challenges any logical or sane thought process. How does it create an "appearance of a perfect nominating convention" to chase the entire Main delegation off the convention floor? To alienate the most passionate, active and involved participants in the nominating process? To tell 15%+ of possible voters to just go away, as if to say, we don't want you or your kind here?

The Romney team was "fixated" alright, they were fixated on preventing Ron Paul and his supporters from having any possibility of having an influence in the Republican party either now or in future nominations. The real goal of the Republican party and their big donors was to stop the Ron Paul liberty movement, even at the cost of the election. Now they are trying to spin this loss every which way in hopes of not losing their future viability and the big donations close elections generate.

I don't blame Romney

I think Romney was suckered.. he was the modle the ptb wanted to sinck the republic/ republican party. Romney wanted to be president and ran his campaign like a man who is trying to be normal.. his handlers were the problem.. they were like global intel who didn't care about the people, only the results they were paid to deliver.

It's those who worked for Romney that are the problem, the traitors, the ones we need to out of the party.

Damn, Granger

Romney a 'normal' man ? ...and just when i thought i was in agreement with you lately, another one bites the dust...in this case , try not to think, you might hurt yourself... Romney 'was' the problem and thank God we got rid of that problem before it festered in to a really BIG problem for 8 long years !... Great article....

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

That was Romney's challenge

to reach the normal American.. which he is not. Romney is gone, but those who handled this fraud are not. So, as for Romney.. I'm not worried.. it was not him, but those who lied, cheated, robbed all of us in Romney's name. To go after Romney is missing the target.

Granger, love your dedication and independence

I guess it's easier for people to find one guy to pile the blame on, keeps it simple. The fact is you are correct in a way, this election black out of Ron Paul was a group effort and can't be Romneys sole responsibility. It was orchestrated by the GOP insiders, the big banks and the crony corporatists in the MSM. When Ron Paul went against the Fed (from whom all corporate blessings flow) the MIC, the fiat dollar and was threatening to actually limit government to the constitution, you have to know that's not the way to "win friends and influence people" in Washington. Romney was just the front man in this go around, your right the fraudsters and handlers are still there. They may have partially won a conflict with us this time, but they lost a whole lot of territory. We'll be back.

You and that Dolt.. Free4all

need to get a room.....

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

I got a seat instead

Maybe you should focus on your own directive and stop name calling to those who don't agree with you? It's not Romney I need to watch.. but those who worked to install him. But you go right ahead and rage against Romney by all means if that's the best you can do to restore the republic.

No

its not Romney you need to watch....not anymore! hahaha
I can agree with you that the establishment shills that helped put Romney at the top were and still are part of the problem but so was Romney and lets remember it was you who kept insisting that Romney was the man to vote for and with him in office we could ( hold their feet to the fire) and get things done right before America handed him his ass on a platter so i have to ask myself where does that put you in this mess?
Your post up top is clearly defending Romney and for the life of me i cant understand where you can say it wasn't!
Here lately i have found myself in agreement with you on many things Granger but you never fail to turn around and say something that puts your credibility in question so take a little personal responsibility and understand that what you say isn't my problem, its yours....

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

its not Romney you need to

its not Romney you need to watch....not anymore! hahaha
I can agree with you that the establishment shills that helped put Romney at the top were and still are part of the problem but so was Romney and lets remember it was you who kept insisting that Romney was the man to vote for and with him in office we could ( hold their feet to the fire) and get things done right before America handed him his ass on a platter so i have to ask myself where does that put you in this mess?//

I'm facing the Neocons in what they consider, and for all practical purposes as the RNC showed us, THEIR GOP. For me to bash Romney is to let them get away with what they did.. Romney's toast.. I'm not going to get into what Romney is or isn't other than he's the past.. it's those who fought us for Romney (and it's not even FOR Romney.. it's FOR their corporate, government connected dirty tricksters.. Romney was selected as a loss.. and if you sigbned a loyalty oath.. yes, you should keep your oath once Ron Paul was out.. you, me, those of us in the GOP have a mission inside the GOP. So where that puts me is grounded in my seat and voting NO and going to events, conventions, and pressing to restore the republic, nominating RP Republicans, and eventually running for another office or seat.

//Here lately i have found myself in agreement with you on many things Granger but you never fail to turn around and say something that puts your credibility in question so take a little personal responsibility and understand that what you say isn't my problem, its yours....//

As for "my credibility".. I see this from time to time.. Let me be clear, the only people who have any credibility on DP are Nystrom and the Mods. They have power I don't (I would reach back in time and unban quite a few people for I seem to have a broder acceptace level of speach. Things like down votes show me how many people here don't get it, and some do get it, but oppose, and that's their right, as far as I'm concerned.

I have no problem with personal responsibilty, or being wrong, that's how I learn, and that's what really keeps me interested in DP.. learning.

Granger, we cannot separate Romney from his handlers.

It's all part of the same thing. I get what you are saying and you are correct, except for missing the fact that Romney is/was part of that "target", even though not the bullseye. I know you aren't defending Romney but, the way you express yourself in this makes it seem that you are defending him. Please don't do that, because there is no defending that pos.

Romney wasn't suckered into anything. He's just divorced from reality. He didn't get where he got by being a sucker. No, far from it.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

By attacking Romney

and you are right, I'm not defending Romney.. but I really think he was played.. he's insulated, a seperate reality from the rest of us, doesn't speak our language and didn't know what was going on because he didn't want to know.. he is nothing but a straw man,, the real problems were those who manipulated the entire party in Romney's name. Anyways.. that's who I'm interested in exposing.. Romney's a pos.. no doubt, but he's not what we have to be on guard for in 2014, or 16.. it's those who did the dirty work in the name of the party..

I like it

I like it when you've had your coffee, tea, nap, or whatever it is that enables you to write awesome posts like this :-)

I know where you are coming from and do understand and agree. You sometimes write posts that make no sense, but this one nails it perfectly :-)

Keep on your toes, Granger, it takes time and practice. You are very bright, though sometimes lazy with your writing. But the fact remains that many people have much to learn from you. Me included, but only sometimes, lol.

Hey (((Nonna))), this is one of those times when I like to ruffle her feathers ;-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Now you've expressed that clearly and anyone who doesn't

agree with what you've just expressed has blinders on. I know you get it. I know you are further ahead of the game than a lot of people here, including me. It takes me a while sometimes but, eventually I see where you are going. Clear expression makes a big difference in getting people to understand the usefulness of the information you are conveying.

Now I can see how you think Romney "was played" and it IS his own damn fault. The problem people are absolutely those who manipulate from behind the curtain. That's the bullseye. Always has been the problem. I applaud you for daring to venture forth to get a good look at who's behind that curtain and trying to beat them at their own game. God be with you, Granger.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

romney threw colorado all by

romney threw colorado all by himself by opposing the colorado constitution and 2/3 of the voters! romney is a flip flop on all the issues and was stupid enough to announce he opposed the colorado constitution(medical) and an amendment 64. romney wins the dunce award.

you voted for obamney(romney). sounds like the only thing romney gave you was bruised knees!

I expect romney was suckered by all the big gov loving folks serving him! Romney 2016

Ron Paul 2016

The GOP totally intended to throw the election and why

they selected Romney.. they had no intention of letting Romney win the election because they didn't want to win the election, they LOVE Obama and wanted four more years of Obama.

I voted for Romney, because as a Republican I would rather Romney than Obama knowing the GOP didn;t even want Romney.. Gave Romney buised knees.. ??? Romney means nothing to me, but those who did his dirty work do.

Yes, I think Romney was suckered.. I think millions, if not 10 of millions of people are being suckered.. by the crap in the GOP that fights Republicans to force Romney on us.

That is feel good justification.

"they had no intention of letting Romney win the election because they didn't want to win the election"

That is FALSE.

They propped romney up for a reason. Had romney won, the same policies/directives by bush/obama would continue. When the general population got 'sick and tired' in 2016/2020, the masses would be ready for yet another democrat to replace the republican. The D R D R cycle would continue, as it always has, until our Republic no longer exists.

As it is, obama won, the plan continues. They are now seeking jeb, christie, other establishment types, never once blinking an eye at the r3VOLution.

The ptb planted romney so that no matter who won, their plan would continue. I reiterate, had romney won, that would have set us back until 2020. As it is, we at least have a fighting chance in 2016, IF we get our act together.

btw: they propped romney BECAUSE of his voting record. romneys record spoke for itself!

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

When I started going to meetings

no one ever said Romney. They talked about Perry, Buchannan, Newt, Santorum.. nut no one ever said "Romney". All campaign materials were way overpriced, and no one was passionate for any candidate except those for Ron Paul.. and that bothered them, that we had a candidate who we loved and they didn't. When the primary was over, no one wanted a Romney sticker. The only two people who took Romney stickers were me and another RP supporter.. no one ever drove around with a bumper sticker on MY committee.. so I don't know about other committees.. some folks here have committees are that should have foles charged against them for being closed.. but mine is open, and this election came down to "Vote for Romney becuase he's NOT Obama." I could do that.. but I sincerely think the Neocons voted for Obama too. This area is Democratic Party ruled.

To me, the fight in the GOP was to stop us, not campaign for Romney. And I believe they are blinking an eye and why they have Rand on MSM.

I think.. the rEVOLution is not some accident or fluke.. but that the PTB are involved in it as a stop gap.. things go wronmg with this MWO and we're up to bat..

Granger

You are speaking about the average voters. You are correct, that romney was not considered serious by anybody. That is, until PTB propped him up with that AnyOneButObama slogan.

Nobody here like romney either, they waited, some leaned santorum and newt. Had RP not been silenced/shunned, voting republicans would have got behind him. The majority of average people follow, they don't lead.

It was set up by ptb, so that no matter who was elected, plans would continue. It would have been easier with romney in, as I have outlined above, it would have continued to perpetuate the dem repub dem cycle.

Rand remains to be seen. I will not get too hyped just yet. Even prior to this election, Rands voting records have not been anything to write home about. Do not get mad at me, I am merely the messenger. You can look at his voting records, just as I have done. Time, however, may potentially be on his side.

My area is more democrat than yours :-( At least you have Tom.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

For TPTB the problem with Romney was us

Just because I'm supporting Rand, I don't expect you to support Rand. I'm in the GOP with a seat so I need Rand, and Amash and people to step up from the seats to offices. Rand gives me talking piunts, places to compromise where I don't have to guess.. It's like walking through land mines,, folks here that are not facing the Neocons, or the corrupt insiders and battleing their corruption, talk all the time about how bad they are, but they think we can just run up and grab the Liberty Tree.. well that ain't how it works.. we have a real chance here.. first time in my life..perhaps not yours.. so there we are.

You have chickens.

Continue the good fight with Rand, I agree. Also promote Justin, he is one of us. That way if one of the eggs happen to break, well, there ya go.

I am not too far behind you ;-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul