9 votes

Update: Early Version of NDAA 2013 Passed Senate 98-0

I wanna like Rand, but he's making it harder.

"The Senate on Tuesday passed a massive, wide-ranging defense authorization bill that restores threatened Pentagon biofuels programs, issues new sanctions against Iran and changes U.S. detention policy for American citizens.

The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) passed the Senate unanimously 98-0 after the bill was debated for five days and hundreds of amendments were considered on the floor."

YEAs ---98
Akaka (D-HI)
Alexander (R-TN)
Ayotte (R-NH)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Baucus (D-MT)
Begich (D-AK)
Bennet (D-CO)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Blumenthal (D-CT)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Brown (R-MA)
Burr (R-NC)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coats (R-IN)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Coons (D-DE)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Durbin (D-IL)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hagan (D-NC)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Heller (R-NV)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Inouye (D-HI)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (D-SD)
Johnson (R-WI)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Lee (R-UT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lugar (R-IN)
Manchin (D-WV)
McCain (R-AZ)
McCaskill (D-MO)
McConnell (R-KY)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Moran (R-KS)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Paul (R-KY)
Portman (R-OH)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rubio (R-FL)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Thune (R-SD)
Toomey (R-PA)
Udall (D-CO)
Udall (D-NM)
Vitter (R-LA)
Warner (D-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wicker (R-MS)
Wyden (D-OR)

Not Voting - 2
Kirk (R-IL)
Rockefeller (D-WV)

http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/budget-appropriations/2...

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_c...




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SteveMT's picture

Yup. This is an earlier version of the bill: Dec. 4-12, 05:06pm

This is misinformation because Rand later voted against the finally version.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_c...

This thread is being made "read only." There is enough division here without this old thread coming up again to create more hostility. Thanks for understanding.

Fruad

Fruad

This one needs to be put to rest.

Rand voted against the final 2013 NDAA bill.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/s229

Let's not blindly and immediately accept any info as fact, even info posted to this site.

Thank you!

I guess I have a different reaction to the people that saw this post and were immediately like "Screw Rand he betrayed us". I looked for an answer and that answer is pretty easy to find. Like you said he voted against the final bill. There were news articles that stated so when it was voted on and he rose in opposition to the bill calling it an ABOMINATION. That sounds like exactly what everyone that has posted in this would have wanted and yet two people have actually searched out the answer and found the truth.

Great interview

An interesting interview regarding this subject:

"Dan Johnson - Hour 1 - People Against the National Defense Authorization Act
March 5, 2013

Dan Johnson is 19 years old, an Eagle Scout, and has been recognized as one of the top 30 impromptu speakers in the United States. He is a Political Science Major at Bowling Green State University, and speaks a moderate amount of Japanese. He was always interested in politics, and was appalled when he saw the direction our country was heading in. His wake-up call was watching a video on the NDAA in November. After doing further research, in late January, he founded PANDA (People Against the National Defense Authorization Act). PANDA is supported by groups across the political spectrum, and is now one of the fastest growing liberty movements in the nation; with over 25 teams across the country. He is recognized by many as an upcoming expert on the subjects of Liberty vs. National Security, the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act, H.R. 347, and the gradual slide toward an American Police State. In the first hour, we discuss the background of NDAA, what it entails and who would be targeted. We’ll discuss who is the threat according to the NDAA. In the second hour, we talk about changing definitions. When words lose their meaning, we lose our freedom. We also talk about the fallacy of someone else protecting our rights. Dan explains how the NDAA is a last desperate measure by corrupt forces. Later, he’ll give us an update on current news from PANDA as they battle it out in state legislation. We end talking about Obama’s criminal behavior as he violates the constitution and the need to push government back in their place within the boundaries of the constitution, which he says will solve most of our problems today."

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2013/03/RIR-130305.php

End the war on military

End the war on military Strategies and Tactics.
When you subsidize something you get more of it. The USA is subsidizing terrorism in the form of blowback.
Close some of the 900 military bases in 140 other countries.

This was NOT the final NDAA bill for FA 2013

He voted for the version of the bill with the Feinstein/Lee amendment in it on December 4th. But when it was removed he voted AGAINST the final NDAA FA 2013 bill December 21st.

Rand voted against the FINAL NDAA for FA 2013. He voted against the one that COUNTED.

http://votesmart.org/bill/15182/42050/117285/national-defens...

The final bill passed 81-14. With Rand voting AGAINST the bill. So please people, stop perpetuating this falsity that Rand Paul actually voted for the final NDAA for 2013, because HE DIDNT

Here's a list of the YEAs and NAYs

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/s229

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The 5th Amendment is not about a citizen. It's about a "person."

The 5th Amendment applies to all persons whether they are citizens or non-citizens. Unalienable rights, as they were given by The Almighty and as are followed by us, apply to all people, not just U.S.citizens. The NDAA is trash; It's unconstitutional.

5th Amendment:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
Read more: http://www.revolutionary-war-and-beyond.com/5th-amendment.ht...

Ron would have voted NO! END the sanctions on Iran.

Sanctions are an act of war.

Not sure WHY Rand would go along with that.

Sometimes I'm confused by his lack of consistency on issues.

Suffice it so say, THERE WAS ONLY ONE RON PAUL.

ONLY ONE.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

This was NOT the final NDAA bill for FA 2013

Rand voted against the FINAL NDAA for FA 2013. He voted against the one that COUNTED.

http://votesmart.org/bill/15182/42050/117285/national-defens...

The final bill passed 81-14. With Rand voting AGAINST the bill. So please people, stop perpetuating this falsity that Rand Paul actually voted for the final NDAA for 2013, because HE DIDNT

Here's a list of the YEAs and NAYs

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/s229

If we need more proof that these people don't belong in Congress

Passing blatantly unconstitutional laws that fail to defend and uphold the Constitution.

Where is due process?

Why are we paying these people instead of hanging them from the highest tree as a warning to all those who would dare tread on the Law of the land?

Free includes debt-free!

Did you read the bill, or you

Did you read the bill, or you just taking the OG's word for it? Or maybe read my post below... OMG, some of you just jump to the conclusion so quickly..

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

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Did these Senators read the 5th Amendment is the question?

This amendment applies to everyone.

What! Read the Bill? How quaint.

I suppose I should, Congress does't.

NDAA was originally signed by Truman to mark the beginning of the Cold War.

The whole thing should be repealed as it reflects the fears of another age.

Free includes debt-free!

SEC. 1033. PROHIBITION ON THE

Does anyone bother to read the stuff? Feinstein's amendment was added to get rid of the indefinite detention..

SEC. 1033. PROHIBITION ON THE INDEFINITE DETENTION OF CITIZENS AND LAWFUL PERMANENT RESIDENTS.

Section 4001 of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

(1) by redesignating subsection (b) as subsection (c); and

(2) by inserting after subsection (a) the following:

`(b)(1) An authorization to use military force, a declaration of war, or any similar authority shall not authorize the detention without charge or trial of a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States apprehended in the United States, unless an Act of Congress expressly authorizes such detention.

`(2) Paragraph (1) applies to an authorization to use military force, a declaration of war, or any similar authority enacted before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the National Defense Authorization Act For Fiscal Year 2013.

`(3) Paragraph (1) shall not be construed to authorize the detention of a citizen of the United States, a lawful permanent resident of the United States, or any other person who is apprehended in the United States

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c112:2:./temp/~c112omx...

Here is an article about it:

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=7671

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

As I understand it, this was not in the final version

and this is why Rand voted AGAINST it.

The vote list above is for the version with this amendment in it.

He didn't vote for final passage.

That's fantastic

but all current roads still lead to a total military state. It doesn't matter what they 'say.' If they take away our guns, which will be a bloody war the government may not win, they can do whatever they want to us no matter what laws are there for our protection.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

So...a vote of 97-1 would

So...a vote of 97-1 would have made a difference?

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Who invented 434-1 votes in the House?

Did all of those supposedly useless 434-1 votes by Ron Paul make a difference? You bet they did. Aren't those votes the reason that we are all here today?

You bet it would

It would have differentiated Rand Paul from all of the other miscreants. So Rand is just another miscreant.

We all knew that already now didn't we?

Did you read the Bill of 2012

Did you read the Bill of 2012 (2013 Fiscal Year)?

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Absence of dissent..

.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

He did dissent in the FINAL bill that passed by a vote of 81-14

Rand voted against the FINAL NDAA for FA 2013 on December 21st. He voted against the one that COUNTED.

http://votesmart.org/bill/15182/42050/117285/national-defens...

The final bill passed 81-14. With Rand voting AGAINST the bill. So please people, stop perpetuating this falsity that Rand Paul actually voted for the final NDAA for 2013, because HE DIDNT

Here's a list of the YEAs and NAYs

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/s229

Thanks for clarifying.

!!!!

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Amendment?

Was there not an amendment that struck the part about indefinite detention of US citizens, introduce and passed, that Rand presented? Now I am confused! As far as I understood that is what happened. That is not represented clearly, with this post.

Rand presented it, McCain killed it

http://reason.com/blog/2012/12/20/ndaa-amendment-designed-to...

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

A slam dunk

I see about 5 names on that list that should have objected, that do object. What happened here? What power is being wielded over OUR representatives? This looks like the action of a rubber-stamp politburo. Very unnerving.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

What happened is this isn't the FINAL spending bill!

Rand voted against the FINAL NDAA for FA 2013 on December 21st. He voted against the one that COUNTED.

http://votesmart.org/bill/15182/42050/117285/national-defens...

The final bill passed 81-14. With Rand voting AGAINST the bill. So please people, stop perpetuating this falsity that Rand Paul actually voted for the final NDAA for 2013, because HE DIDNT

Here's a list of the YEAs and NAYs

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/s229

If you're so good at politics..

"Rand should have done THIS, and THIS. Now I don't support him!! He needs to QUIT playing politics with the GOP and tell them to F*** OFF!"

Meanwhile, he is still the greatest voice of ending foreign aid, balancing a budget, and protecting our liberties at home. Thank you Rand Paul!

See, how you deal with this

See, how you deal with this is you vote someone else into office if he doesn't represent your views. It's kind of how you're supposed to vote, not voting whoever will win.

I don't trust any lawyer or politician because 99.9% of them are paid to lie. I didn't like Ron Paul because he was a nice guy or because he was a libertarian. I liked him because he stood for something I believed in.

If there isn't any person that fits the liberty bill than I don't vote.