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Update: Early Version of NDAA 2013 Passed Senate 98-0

I wanna like Rand, but he's making it harder.

"The Senate on Tuesday passed a massive, wide-ranging defense authorization bill that restores threatened Pentagon biofuels programs, issues new sanctions against Iran and changes U.S. detention policy for American citizens.

The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) passed the Senate unanimously 98-0 after the bill was debated for five days and hundreds of amendments were considered on the floor."

YEAs ---98
Akaka (D-HI)
Alexander (R-TN)
Ayotte (R-NH)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Baucus (D-MT)
Begich (D-AK)
Bennet (D-CO)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Blumenthal (D-CT)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Brown (R-MA)
Burr (R-NC)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coats (R-IN)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Coons (D-DE)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Durbin (D-IL)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hagan (D-NC)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Heller (R-NV)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Inouye (D-HI)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (D-SD)
Johnson (R-WI)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Lee (R-UT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lugar (R-IN)
Manchin (D-WV)
McCain (R-AZ)
McCaskill (D-MO)
McConnell (R-KY)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Moran (R-KS)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Paul (R-KY)
Portman (R-OH)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rubio (R-FL)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Thune (R-SD)
Toomey (R-PA)
Udall (D-CO)
Udall (D-NM)
Vitter (R-LA)
Warner (D-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wicker (R-MS)
Wyden (D-OR)

Not Voting - 2
Kirk (R-IL)
Rockefeller (D-WV)



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Some quotes from NDAA '13

Has anyone actually reviewed the bill, or are we just assuming it's as bad as the original NDAA?


You people need to take your blinders off. So what your think Rand can just "go to Washington" and change the world in his 1st term? "Changing the party from with in" is an almost impossible goal.

The thing that I don't like the most about the people on this site is that you all see things as "black & white", "right and wrong", "stand alone or conform". The Senate is not the House. Sorry people, but the world is just not that simple.

UPDATE! To funny this post is not even correct! Check your Data before you post.


Rand has you all fooled!

He is NOTHING like his father! That speech the other day was all a stunt, as 4409's video states.

This was the last straw for

This was the last straw for me. Rand doesn't have my support... Sorry.

I vote for the message, not the individual.

Will the REAL Rand Paul please stand up?

There you go all you Rand Paul "Hopers for Change"

He's just like his idol Flip Flop Mitt.

He stands up for the Constitution one day and the next day he wipes his a** with it....

The phrase 'you are what you endorse' comes to mind.

What a way to bring truth and education to the American people.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Gee, What a Surprise...

...this has largely turned into another 'Cult of Rand' thread, chock full of suppositions, rationalizations, diversions and justification attempts.

Willfully blind, willfully ignorant and seemingly-frenzied to jump to defense, rather than letting actions stand as they are.

A pretty good defense is that this wasn't the FINAL SPENDING BIL

He voted against the final spending bill on December 21st. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/s229

It passed 81-14, Lee voted against it too.

Rand doesnt have a plan to

Rand doesnt have a plan to win us the war.

His only plan is president.

He would sell out his own dad for publicity and to gain favor from tptb.

You know...

You know what they say about assuming....

Never assume.

So if I never

So if I never assume, I would never get anything done. I assume when I go to bed in the evening that I will awaken in the morning. I assume the sun will rise each day. I assume my car will start when I get in and turn the key.

Anyone who makes no assumptions is for all intents and purposes dead.

:) You know what they say


You know what they say about putting all your eggs in one basket

The NDAA is unconstitutional! End of story!

Ron Paul would have fought for all that Rand fought for, and more.

Then, Ron Paul would have turned around and voted NO on the whole bill!

But Rand is not Ron!

Not yet.

The longer it takes him to grow up, the more regrets he will know, and the weaker becomes both the liberty movement as well as a once free America!

It should be left to Rand to explain himself, not others! But in the end, the only tour de force suitable to the cause of liberty is truth, and the love of that truth, which is growing, needs no more disguise to be victorious!

God will bless every 'NO' in the cause of the principles of liberty!

Not so, compromise!

Do you even know what's in

Do you even know what's in the bill? Besides...didn't Rand try to amend it but it did not work. He's only one man.

But wasn't it Rand who

But wasn't it Rand who offered up to change the detention of American citizens? Am I part of the few who veiw this as a good thing. Can you not see what he is doing here? Washington is not going to change overnight.

"Washington is not going to change overnight."

Nope. And it never will, as long as people keep compromising what is true and right.

Also, feistein-lee was garbage, as Justin *warned*.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Didn't the Feinstein amendment go into this

bill? Wasn't that what Rand was demanding be included before he support it?

i just want to ask rand why?

i just want to ask rand why? thats all i want 30 seconds... humf...

Rand knows how to pick the right battles.

In the end he might just help us win the War.

it takes detention for US citizens out

if Rand wasn't there, it would have been in the bill

A little bit at a time everyone

Keep this in mind though

I'm not disagreeing w/ your point about "a little at a time" or another poster's point about Rand cozying up to the GOP as a way to win the nomination and then (hopefully) be a Ron Paul clone (or something close to it). I'm just saying that the "it can't be done to American citizens" thing doesn't free American citizens of the concerns of being indefinitely detained without a trial (which, by the way, I think is unconstitutional regardless of whether someone is an American citizen or not).


It also includes. . .

. . . the platform for cooperation between the Department of Defense, NASA, and Civil Aviation authorities for integrating drones into the national airspace.

“Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.” —Thomas Jefferson

Look at the

Look at the vote...

Look at the vote if Rand votes nay...

Yes Ron Paul created this movement by having a perfect voting record, but phase 2 of the Paul plan is actually getting stuff done politically. Ron got the attention of all of us, now he needs this huge movement to continue backing Rand as he politicks.

Rand's lone nay vote would have accomplished nothing but cannon fodder for the GOP in the future. He helped get US citizens protection clauses in there by threat of filibustering. In terms of getting the bill shot down, not a chance. That battle can't be won, move on to the next.

People who aren't seeing this need to take a page out of Austrian Economics logic...and look beyond.

Why are you making it seem as if Rand's vote

is somehow against liberty? This year's NDAA includes the Feinstein amendment which nullifies the indefinite detention provision.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

I don't think it does nullify it. I do know Mike Lee's write up

is wrong. He seems to think American citizens weren't included in authorization of indefinite detention w/o trial in 2012, and he is simply wrong. The exception did NOT go [to NDAA] as Lee (or his staffer) wrote, it only went to section 1022, not 1021. You can check the 'as passed' version yourself.

I'm not entirely clear on where the Feinstein amendment ended so I have to see it, but Lees explanation was simply wrong.

Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesnt want to hear -RonPaul


It does NOT nullify it. It leaves Americans abroad out. It leaves non-US human beings out.

Section 1021 should not have been amended. It should have been stricken.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

I have no problem with Rand's

I have no problem with Rand's vote because of the amendment. But it's almost certain to go to court because of the interpretation of it. Therefore some people on here don't think Rand should have voted at all for it, and I was just pointing out the logic.

What exactly is the problem

What exactly is the problem with Rand voting in favor of this bill? It doesn't contain any of the indefinite detention provisions that the last bill contained. It contains the Lee-Feinstein amendment which restores the 6th amendment for Americans, and the bill also contains an amendment calling for a transition out of Afghanistan. So there really isn't any reason at all for Rand to vote against this bill.

Read the bill. IT SUCKS in a

Read the bill. IT SUCKS in a LOT of ways!