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Are the Rand haters really just secret Rubio supporters?

I've been thinking about why it is that so many people in the liberty movement hate Rand Paul so much, considering that he's the most libertarian Senator we've had at least within the last 100 years, and since he's done more for the cause of liberty than any of the people who post comments here. One thought that has come to mind is that many, if not most of the Rand haters are actually secret Rubio supporters. These are people who are trying to make it look like the liberty movement is divided when it comes to Rand, thus making it easier for Rubio to win the GOP nomination in 2016. These people realize that Rand is the only candidate with a real chance to stop Rubio in 2016, and they realize they have to stop Rand in 2016 in order to get Rubio the GOP nomination. Their strategy is to act like members of the liberty movement in order to damage Rand's potential candidacy in 2016, thus ensuring that Senator Marco Rubio wins the GOP nomination in 2016. It seems to be a very credible and well thought out strategy by the Rubio supporters. I was just wondering what everybody thought about this possibility. Thanks.

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i think rand paul is just

i think rand paul is just getting giddy nervous in the basement, waiting to endorse Mark Rubio next election. first he has to get jesse benton's blessing.


No, they are secret Jeb Bush

No, they are secret Jeb Bush supporters!

Thomas Jefferson 1796, 1800, 1804; James Madison 1808, 1812; Ron Paul 1988, 2008, 2012; Rand Paul 2016.

I do not hate Rand, I hate "incrementalism"...

Harry Reid was once a leading Senate spokesperson for auditing the Federal Reserve. Many of the members of both House and Senate startled as principled people. Unfortunately, each fights with one hand tied behind his or her back. Those who do not "go along to get along" are targeted for defeat or, in some cases, charged with "crimes".

I use to say, "Give me two teams of Special Forces and 48 hours and would clean up what is wrong with America". Well, we COULD do a pretty good job of "wet work" in 48 hours, but it would not correct the collective corruption and cowardice that permeates humankind. "Killing the enemy" will accomplish nothing IF there is enough darkness in the rest of us to hoist new enemies into power. Given that 98% of the US electorate voted for one of two candidates who supported "kill lists" and "indefinite detention," I am not optimistic there is much hope for us, barring "divine intervention". This is why most of my current posts involve 2012 or "The Great Awakening".

Im sorry dude but WTF

Rand has not done anything lately to keep Americans safe with regards to Foreign Policy. I want to favor Rand like I do with his father but he is really making this hard to do!

The man is GREAT with Domestic Policy. but we arent getting anything done with our Military being there.

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?

Yeah dude wtf? I mean why

Yeah dude wtf? I mean why doesn't he pull that magic wand out of his ass and make it all happen instantly. You retards do realize that legislation takes time. You do realize there is a battle going on over money in Washington right now right?

God damn you people are hopeless.

Fucking can't wait for all of this to collapse so you morons go the way of the dinosaur and we can start anew with the REAL lovers of liberty.

Lol. How did I get downvoted

Lol. How did I get downvoted simply for linking to two votes where Rand voted in favor of non intervention overseas?

A Real Conservative

I did not vote you down. But I will suggest this, though I may or may not be wrong:

Your posting habits are not consistent. It is either young and naive, or you have not examined yourself to the point where you stand solid.

Trolls abound here on this forum. But if you truly are for Justice, you will do yourself no credit by fooling yourself or others, or writing careless posts and without great thought.

I hope that you are indeed for Liberty, Freedom. Otherwise, you merely shackle yourself.

Maybe some hot wings, beer, and reflection?

PS: Vetting is good. That is not the complaint.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Why are those who

disagree with Rands perfidy and traitorous behaviors called "haters"?? Judge the fruit. The fruit stinks. I don't have to like rotten fruit, I'd be crazy if I did.

You're just being

You're just being intellectually dishonest with yourself. A fair assessment of Rand shows he is the best Senator in recent history, with absolutely no comparison coming anywhere remotely close.

Anyway, I think if you read your own question you'll find the answer is in it. Why are haters called haters? As you said, judge the fruit. The fruit is rotten.

People who call others who

disagree with them "haters" are leftist smear artists. There is nothing wrong with "hate" per se. I hate tyranny, I hate oppression, I hate deceit and lying. You like those things?
As far as Rand being the "best senator", uh, that is rather faint praise, don't you think? It's like being the best turd in the sewer.

My vocabulary use makes me a

My vocabulary use makes me a leftist?

You lost me. Find someone else to pin your labels on, hater.

Yep. There are

very characteristic code words and memes pushed by the change agents. Dwelling on callling people "haters", assuming an unfounded higher moral ground by virtue of judging "haters" is classic smear. Don't like being outed much? Too bad.

Troll someone else, bro.

Troll someone else, bro.


Not even a good try, change agent. How's the weather in Tel Aviv?


Aside from the fact that your thesis is without any evidence, much less primary evidence, it is rife with logical fallacies - assuming a false "if not x, then y" scenario, leaves out about 30 other people that the "hidden haters" could be shilling for but yet singling out Rubio, has absolutely zero basis from any posts I have every seen here, and is essentially.....well....stupid.

Other than that - yeah, it's a good hypothesis.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Visit your first sentence.

Maybe we should question: Why did people like Rand Paul in the first place?

Ask questions from there, when he does something pro-war, he has to be called out

"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

Educate the masses, and win in the end.

Why did people like Rand Paul in the first place? Seriously?

Who are you and what are you doing here? If you don't like Rand YOU don't like Ron. It's that simple really.

You might be young and naieve in politics I'm not sure. BUT. Rand is advancing the ideology of freedom and liberty as Ron started. Wake up.


I don't get it? Rubio doesn't have a shot - he's awful. If Rubio is the guy the GOP "chooses" for 2016, then maybe even independents have a shot at the election, depending who the Dem candidate is - but the names I've seen there are pretty pathetic - were a ways out though.

I highly doubt people are thinking ahead to 2016 election - there are much, much more important things going on right now.

Heres another one..

I would not vote for Rubio nor Rand..Time to let go of the Feds and go after local and state Gov..Instead of talking about Rand,smile and wave to your neighbors..Instead of watching FOX go out and back pack,learn nature,self protection,and reliance on the self!!

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I'm not sure if I count because I do not hate Rand

I simply would not vote for him, but I would not vote for Rubio either.

So you see a dead end road?

So you see a dead end road?

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Why vote for someone I do not agree with? No one will get me to vote for Rand Paul, that's all there is to it.



Hell no! I despise Rubio,

Hell no! I despise Rubio, Bush, and other neocon. Yet Rand does not inspire me either!

Bigger Picture

Ron was slightly successful because thirty years of closet freedom fighters took the task to vote for once.

If you notice how the tea party and occupy protests work towards goals, you have to assume the youth has little to no respect for voting or the authority of the laws currently in place.

Rands endorsement of Romney unfortunately was his way of throwing in the towel. You wont see the Revolution back until he goes after vote fraud as his main campaign issue. Why run against fox paid candidates

The youth is ready to revolt until we are allowed to develop our own social contract.

The constitution has either allowed the government that we have or it has been too weak to defend against it.

We will not pay this debt nor fight the wars.

Id like to develop a new form of native living. The republic of Lakota should remind each of you that if you were born to this land you have a natural right and duty to rebel against this government.

We should be discussing how to save this country before the next election. I hope we do not have a 2016 election, because the current government will have no standing with the people and will be completely irrelevant.

yt = classicalliberalism

Patriotic Senex

So now the REVOLUTION needs

So now the REVOLUTION needs to re-educate another?

Pick a team

Social contract?

Such as? If you're talking "live and let live", "MYOB", and the NAP, then I agree. If you're talking some socialist version of Rousseau, get thee behind me, Satan!

Well it does look like GOP establishment users

Are trying to come on here and dismiss a Rand option. The ignoring of Rand Paul has already begun in the media when they talk about potential 2016 candidates and not mention him.

I wouldn't be surprised if there are people here trying to go after Rand before he solidifies the Liberty base.

With Rand's candidacy we no longer need to make concessions to the GOP. We can make sure he runs, and installs nothing but liberty candidates.

I just remember what Galileo

I just remember what Galileo Galilei posted here a few days ago, and I wanted to see if I could top that. :) Apparently I didn't, because his post had about 60 negative votes. Galileo is still the man.