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Are the Rand haters really just secret Rubio supporters?

I've been thinking about why it is that so many people in the liberty movement hate Rand Paul so much, considering that he's the most libertarian Senator we've had at least within the last 100 years, and since he's done more for the cause of liberty than any of the people who post comments here. One thought that has come to mind is that many, if not most of the Rand haters are actually secret Rubio supporters. These are people who are trying to make it look like the liberty movement is divided when it comes to Rand, thus making it easier for Rubio to win the GOP nomination in 2016. These people realize that Rand is the only candidate with a real chance to stop Rubio in 2016, and they realize they have to stop Rand in 2016 in order to get Rubio the GOP nomination. Their strategy is to act like members of the liberty movement in order to damage Rand's potential candidacy in 2016, thus ensuring that Senator Marco Rubio wins the GOP nomination in 2016. It seems to be a very credible and well thought out strategy by the Rubio supporters. I was just wondering what everybody thought about this possibility. Thanks.



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Most people seem to agree that Ron Paul

was trying to educate people, not really focused on getting elected. These same people were really disappointed when he lost. Now they are demanding that Rand Paul use the same strategy of educating people instead of focusing on making the right moves to get elected. The rest of us are tired of losing . .

I think libertarians are strategically retarded for some reason.

Not saying that Rand is perfect, at the very least these haters should just ignore him, there are 99 other senators who are worse by a long shot.

Yes, there are trolls on here that want to declare the Paul bloodline dead and dance on it's grave. They seem to get off on every negative Rand Paul headline like it's a celebration of the failure of Ron Paul's legacy. I think these trolls are really Ron Paul haters that are finding a convenient outlet for their sadism. Mix in a little Zionism and maybe a picture starts to form of who they really are.

There are those who are legitimately disappointed with him but are allowing themselves to be manipulated into continually spewing this counter productive nonsense.

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bingo.
well said.
the libs who follow ron paul, as they have for decades- always end up mistaking paul for another lib and hes not- so when they find this out they tend to infect his campaigns and his followers by changing his message.
this has happened every house election.
but in the end confused libs cross lines for ron and most will for rand as well. the others that are left will vote for hillary, and we can see clearly here who they are.

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Zionism???

Rand is the one who sucks-up to Israel.

Get a clue.

I guess I have to spell it out for you

My hypothesis is that Rand is playing politics, his show of support for Israel is a political necessity like it is for every other politician. Gary Johnson kisses the Israel lobby's bum, doesn't seem to bother anyone on DP. Ron Paul himself is very careful not to ever say anything that could be considered "anti-semetic". Do you really think the son of Ron Paul isn't considered a threat to the central bank controlling Zionist elites? You need to acquire some critical thinking skills, luckily I'm smart enough for both of us.

Yes, you Randicons

are SO clever, able to read minds and all. I've noticed a lot of Neocons have that same opinion of themselves.

ha ha, and the neocons have

had far more success implementing their plans than weak minded strategically retarded fools like you.

Yes, you have

"Success" is easy when you control the media and can loot and lie to the public to further your own interests, just commies in conservative clothing. Gloat while you can, toady to the elites.

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rand respects israel, please post a link or a statement where he would be considered "sucking up".

get a FACT!

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No, they're just

No, they're just perfectionists. It is hard to live up to Ron Paul even when you are his son. But Rand is great and we need many more like him in congress. Can you imagine the things that would be cut and the freedoms that would be restored if those people in DC were actually debating intellectually and voting with principles?

Hehe

Not one dissenting vote on NDAA 2013, and that includes your precious Rand.

There was nothing wrong with

There was nothing wrong with NDAA 2013. National defense is the primary function of the federal government, and it's something Rand should be voting for.

There is nothing conservative

about you, troll.

That is silly

Just like the Patriot Act, the Patriot Act II, the Military Commissions Act, and whatever else they've put in the back of other bills....the NDAA and these other have absolutely ZERO to do with national defense. You've been swindled.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

I think most people here would disagree with your statement

Here is a short summary in case you do not have time to read the whole bill. http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/13829-senate-unani...

I doubt it

I am a Rand supporter, but I don't think most of the anti-Rand folks here are the DP are Rubio supporters. They see him as a traitor for endorsing Romney and don't see the advantages of Rand's endorsement in the long run.

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien

We don't

We don't see the advantages because we have perfect vision and we have clarity a clear understanding of how this game is played, something totally lacking in the neophytes who call themselves "Rand supporters."

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Lib, who is "WE"????lol you speak for yourself- ONLY!
Lib, if you refuse rand then you are accepting hillary- which is what some libs will do. and you are definitely one of hillarys girls arentcha?

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Rubio is not

an American citizen, no?

You mean...

Not a NATURAL BORN Citizen. Will some of you here PLEASE READ Vattel's Law of Nations?

http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel_01.htm

For The Power of The Republic!

Since when does that matter?

The Matrix has you.

false

i researched it thinking that too,,, but no he will qualify,,,, have to dig thru google 3 pages for good honest answers not fluff, conjecture to see he will be eligible

He is a citizen

But he is not natural born.

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien

not true

i thought that too since parents weren't citizens,,,, but he was and there are other examples of his situation throughout history,,,, some pretty far back near beginning of constitution who were eligible, ran and won

wish i had link handy
i didn't want it to be true,,, i dislike him,,,, but i had to accept it

again had to go pages deep in google to get the real answer

Some of them are. Some of

Some of them are. Some of them are just criticizing Rand for adopting Rubio's policies. If Rand adopted substantively ALL of Rubio's policies then your criticism wouldn't carry much weight.

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The difference between Rand

The difference between Rand and Rubio on the issues are like night and day. Just look at some of the most recent votes. Rand voted for the Lee-Feinstein amendment which restores the 6th amendment for Americans, Rubio voted against it. Rand voted for an amendment which basically said that we can't stay in Afghanistan forever, Rubio voted against it. Rand introduced and voted for an amendment that cuts foreign aid to several countries, Rubio voted against it. Rubio is the anti Rand. But, those who are so hateful of Rand are essentially helping Rubio win the GOP nomination in 2016, which is why I brought up this particular topic.