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Vortex Math - you have got to see this.

My Tesla Trip landed me at the doorstep of Vortex Math.

Anyone who saw "Thrive" will appreciate that connection - the torus is indeed worth studying. Marko Rodin developed this course, but he is too smart to talk to folks like me. He has a student, Randy Powell, who makes it very understandable. I have been working my way through these videos, but yesterday a comment caught my eye... WOW - the "Vortex math" diagram will be on screen when you click the link. I did not even notice as I was trying to learn math, but someone in the comments did. Ever seen that symbol before?

Now DO NOT dismiss this thread over me pointing out the symbol. That is a fascinating coincidence, but this thread is about what they are teaching. It is "the new math" we all heard about but never learned and we really deserve to know.

Combine this with "The Electric Universe" and we are not in Kansas any more, Toto. A new level of consciousness is right there - no hoodoo voodoo, no prayer and fasting, just a willingness to learn.

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OMG - you asked.

Then trash me for answering. I am done with you at this thread. I'll update when I get my coil built.

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My brains can beat up your brains

You did not score higher than I did on the ACT. No one did. I was admitted to University of Houston mathematics graduate school when I was a sophomore. I say the talk is gibberish. Actually, I think it is an elaborate joke, like the story you posted about PETA and the bikers, except crafted for nerds.

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"Fully half the quotations found on the internet are either mis-attributed, or outright fabrications." - Abraham Lincoln

OK, based on what?

You will note that I did admit I had been had on the PETA thing. If I have been had gain, I'll own up to it. But your opinion is not enough, I need evidence. When I looked into the PETA thing, I found the story had circulated before a few years ago, and that back then snopes had identified it as a spoof. Give me the benefit of your intellect - show me WHERE the gibberish is. I agree, they mix in religious stuff, but the MATH is what I am following. Where did you find the math was wrong? Where is the math wrong, and where are these unusual effects coming from if this is just another coil?

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there are no "unusual

there are no "unusual effects". What are you even talking about?

What SPECIFICALLY do you think it does that "regular coils" dont do?


Your own arrogance is astounding

And I'm not just talking about you pulling the "well above genius" card. You have made a claim which is non-falsifiable.

This coil has special properties.

It is just a fancy electromagnet.

That is being closed minded, you need to build one yourself in order to make such a conclusion.

Okay, give me a second... Here it is, I built it. It is just a fancy electromagnet.

You must have built it wrong.

You see? You've set up your ivory tower in such a way that nothing which can be said can be used against it. Your claims are non-falsifiable. All the while you keep making arrogant demands that someone prove your claims are wrong, when it simply cannot be done.

If you were actually "well above genius", you would know that the onus is on the builder of the coil to show that it has "special properties", not for us to prove that it doesn't. I've seen the videos. It's just a fancy electromagnet.

no true coil isn't special!!!


So then explain to me, in

So then explain to me, in your own words, what exactly vortex math is other than a simple observation that when using a base 10 number system (an arbitrary assumption from the universes POV, actually), there are neat little patterns that crop up.

"Now, I have asked, begged, cajoled, trying to get anyone who knows MORE than me about this to show me where they are wrong."

Wrong? what claim are they making that is novel in any way?
Remember how when you learned multiplication there were cute little rules to check your work. Like any time you multiply by 9, the digits will add up to 9, and if they don't, you made an error. There are lots of these little rules, some more complex than others. That is ALL this is. Nothing more.

It's like a bad version of the movie Pi (worth watching actually. But as ENTERTAINMENT not as "zomg i think this is a documentary that just unlocked the universe" sort of way).


those patterns occur using any base for the number system, not only base 10. In base 16 (hexadecimal), one would cast out 15's rather than casting out nines. In base 8 (octal), one would cast out 7's. See the pattern?

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"Fully half the quotations found on the internet are either mis-attributed, or outright fabrications." - Abraham Lincoln

Why you want an inferior explanation is puzzling, but here

you go.
They showed how the numbers flow like an electrical circuit.
As for number tricks... I used to get my perfect math tests scored down because I did not "show my work." It used to drive me nuts - I DID show my work. But I never did math the way the TEACHER did math, and I was "the student" and she was "the expert" so it was her way or the highway. I did finally learn the approved methods and would use them to check my answers, after I solved the problems my way. When I watch these videos, it feels to me like they are tapping into the math that I instinctively did as a child.
Indeed, they are simple rules, the simple rules that run our Universe.

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"They showed how the numbers

"They showed how the numbers flow like an electrical circuit."


What in this is novel to them and hasn't been known to mathematics for years?

And how does the fact that "numbers flow" have any bearing on his little coils? I have heard claims on thes coils claiming everythign from them being perpetual motion machines (actually more than that, they calim that MORE energy can come out of them than what goes in) to the fact that they can rewire the entire electrical grid at a fraction of the cost.

Both of these claims are obviously bullshit.

To the extent that your critique basically just boils down to "Wow rodin amagalmates a bunch of previously known divisor rules in a cool way" then sure, I'll concede that point.

I'm done playing this game.

I see something you don't, I am making a coil. I will psot my results. You keep typing.

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Good for you Fishy

I find it amazing how many math wizards have all of a sudden popped up on the Daily Paul all vehemently against any of this information. It is almost comical.

"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain

my predictions:1) it will be

my predictions:

1) it will be an electromagnet.

2) it will move some metals around that are placed near it.

3) how much force it can generate is porportional to how much energy you run through it (but the energy output will always be LESS than the energy input)

4) it will never have an energy output that is equal to or in excess of the energy input

5) like Bastiat and his "seen and unseen" you will only focus on the energy output of your electromagnet with anecdotal claims (eg: "wow it moved an item that is x heavy a distance of y at a speed in excess of z") failing to measure it versus how much energy it actually cost you to do so which would help you realize #3 above.

The Rodin Coil based on Vortex Math

The video series was made to explain to people how and why they made their coil the way they did. It is their attempt at full disclosure, so that ANYONE can build them. You do not have to understand the theory to make the coil work, but some people wanted to know so they tried to oblige.
Here are a few videos of folks who accepted the GIFT that Rodin and Powell offered, and made the coil:

I am fully aware that these are not practical applications. These are demonstrations of the unique properties of these coils. Seriously, you don't want to try this?

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This is worth watching to the end


Please change the headline

I did not need to see that. :-)

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"Fully half the quotations found on the internet are either mis-attributed, or outright fabrications." - Abraham Lincoln

He had me

at "one is the loneliest number". (Actually, I do think it's interesting, but why the goofy grandiose claims, credulously mixed with inanities? To describe math..)

Let's add this to the equation... Solfeggio Frequencies...

Look into this before you completely discredit the importance of these repeating numbers... Draw the same circle... Numbers and all and then pen in these frequencies....

The Solfeggio frequencies include:
01 = 174 Hz
02 = 285 Hz
Ut = 396 Hz
Re = 417 Hz
Mi = 528 Hz
Fa = 639 Hz
Sol = 741 Hz
La = 852 Hz
09 = 963 Hz

Yod Heh Shin Vav Heh... Google it.

I also highly recommend everyone learning about solfeggio frequencies and the gregorian scale... This is a great example of what lies beyond history.

Somewhere there are men planning the next destructive and evil ploy to make this world their own... The common man is not part of that plan as we would see fit... Merely pawns to be used against one another.

Mind. Blown.

I wonder what effect those frequencies would have if played in a toroidal sequence? Could a vortex be created with sound rather than electrical or magnetic input??? Harmonies could have some added effect as well.

Got "Holy Harmony" on my iPod! And I was actually humming it this morning on the way to work. What a "coincidence" ;)

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Thank you

My Masters Thesis is studying the effects of invisible frequencies within architectural spaces.

Acoustics can enhance comfort/discomfort, same as the color of wall paper and the amount of natural/artificial light.

We 'think' we like things 'because' but really we are having a frequentic reaction!

They that give up liberty for security deserve neither.


We are beings of energy projecting a physical body - that simple paradigm shift changes EVERYTHING. I am very glad to see that some people are surviving "education" and still thinking, clear up to the point of writing a thesis!

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Not everyone is ready to shatter and rebuild their beliefs, but having a few people to resonate with on these discoveries is not only comforting but also very inspiring.

Thanks for all your posts so far!

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin


This HAS been a beautiful week.

They that give up liberty for security deserve neither.

Awesome Stuff!!

It makes memorization of digital mental entries so much simpler.

Vortex Math is not unique to the principles of our Universe as all things work on algorithmic frequency loops.

For example, the greatest moment of victory was the moment after the big bang, in which light out-ran the darkness (the black hole at the point of singularity) and continues to do so today. Light, itself, will always win because its algorithm is infinite. The light photons expanding since the beginning are still creating space, like new rings on a tree... we are among the elder rings, near the center, but not the center.

All things algorithmic!

They that give up liberty for security deserve neither.

base 10 is arbitrary

And this video is retarted. Probably because the guy who made it is a Sagittarius.


Because 2^3 = -1 mod 9, 2^n mod 9 does not take on the values 3, 6 or 9, but instead the sequence 1, 2, 4, 8, 7, 5 repeats indefinitely.

But it's not magic and it's not built into the universe -- it's a choice.

* Take any x and any y.
* Calculate m = 1 + x^y.
* Then since (x^2y) - 1 = (x^y + 1)(x^y -1)
* So, this proves x^(2y) = 1 mod m, and so x^n mod m has a periodicity that divides 2y.

Never mind

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fishy . .

I am not close minded about this stuff.

I'll just be honest and pull the impatient,lazy American position on you.

build a coil
get electricity safely and enough to run a fan lets say
THEN, I'll watch videos for hours

Show me the money!! - i.e. where is a coil that has been built and is running producing electricity and that electricity is being used?

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As a person who understands

As a person who understands math, I don't see any math here. Did I miss something? This looks like numerology, but without the fun cold reader with bad hair.

I feel like I'm wading thru a MLM pitch. What is the payoff to this mumbo jumbo that would tempt people to pay attention? 'free energy'? Friendly aliens? Good vibes and cash money? If I've learned one thing it's when they won't tell you the price or what is even being sold you're in trouble. Hello Lord Maynard Keynes.

What is being sold here?