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Rand Paul Votes in Favor of $631 Billion U.S. 'Defense' Legislation

EPJ: Rand Paul's To Do List before officially running for president:

Visit is Israel (scheduled for January)
Make sure Military-Industrial Compex is funded (Check)

The Senate, by a 98-0 vote, authorized $525.3 billion in baseline military spending, trimming only a small chunk from the administration’s $525.4 billion request. Thebill also authorizes $88.5 billion more for ongoing wars."

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You puritans are going to

You puritans are going to ruin any chance we have of getting a liberty canidate elected president.

You should just walk away now because we don't need you. You will never have Jesus, Ron Paul, or anyone OPENLY against the Military Industrial Complex as president. Your standards are unreasonable and you should just run and bury your head back into the sand.

Think about this, how many people does the MIC have working for them directly or indirectly? Now match that number against how many people voted for Ron Paul.

You are losers! Always will be with this attitude. You live in fairyland or the bible... You definitely don't live on planet Earth.

I look at what candidates do...

I don't listen to what they say they would like to do.... Rand is just proving that he is not the guy for me. Isn't there liberty involved in making that choice? Belittling everyone who thinks differently than you is a horrible strategy to get people to see things your way. We MUST stick together, but that doesn't mean we need to be the same....

"What light is to the eyes - what air is to the lungs - what love is to the heart, liberty is to the soul of man."
-Robert Green Ingersoll

You don't need them?


without them you are nothing. Your standards are of a compromising fool intent on playing along to get along and maintaining the status quo. If you wanted to have an argument how about present some facts, perhaps details on the expenses to show people that it is in fact on defence and not foreign occupations etc... No you have jack sh!t other then a nasty attitude and MIC war head up your arse. Dr Paul didn't get to where he is at by kissing the arse of the military industrial complex or compromising so saying that others aren't going to get far by sticking to their principals is RIDICULOUS.

Before I pass judgement on Rand I am going to read what's in the bill. And if it is all in fact for defence and nothing in there about occupying other countries I will refrain from the Rand bashing.

But again, fug you dude for telling people to leave. Who the hell are you....a nobody. Without this uncompromising crowd, your precious Rand would be nothing as well. Do yourself a favour and shut your mouth before you look like a bigger idiot.

I vote for honesty and princible

And you can keep voting for the lesser of two evils.......

No such thing

Politics is dirty(evil) and to think you can come close to any politics and not vote dirty (evil) is to be mistaken.

As far as this "lesser of two evils", as if evil is contained within only two parties, is another mistake.

As far as I'm concerned those who claim they vote for honesty and principles have no idea what the hell they are talking about, and are only aditting they do nothing but talk.

Ron Paul was an EXCEPTION, it's up to you to make it the law of the land, and I'm sorry to tell you, that this FIGHT, isn't going to be won without dealing with the dirt/evil that we are plagued (and I [pray to God it's not more bloody).

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Isn't this idea fully extensible to everything else?

If we concede that the candidate can't be openly against the MIC to be politically viable, then just about every other status quo area will probably be accepted too.

e.g., "Don't you know how much money and power is in the financial sector? No viable politician can be openly against the Fed"

e.g., "Don't you know how many people depend on Medicare, Medicaid, welfare and social security? No viable politician can openly be against the social safety net"

E.g., "Don't you know the prisons, the pharma industry, the alcohol industry, the Christian, etc., are all for the War on Drugs?...."

and so forth until the viable "liberty" candidate is no longer a liberty candidate but the same POS who makes the ticket in every election.

The whole head/sand/fairyland/not-earth is looking pretty cozy. Worrying about winning elections is looking more delusional and fantasy-like to me if embracing war is the only path to victory.


Currently consuming: Morehouse's "Better off free", FDR; Wii U; NEP Football

It's all about staying IN

Many are called, but few are chosen, and in many of our cases, the GOP did not choose me.. I chose the GOP because that's where Ron Paul was politically even though he was an EXCEPTION.

It's up to us to solidify the gains we make, such as hemp legislation, and apply what we claim to be the economic, national benefits into the products that will enable us to continue to materialize OUR message.

Rand is an EXCEPTION being in the senate where it's a whole new ball game from a presidential campaign.. What we agree with Rand, we shoud promote that, write letters.. campaign. What issues we do not agree with Rand, do our best to understand why.. which we may not all agree, for example,, as a National delegate who signed a loyalty oath, it was Rand's annoucement that woek me up and helped me stay in the game.. I didn't understand the loyalty oath when I signed it in the county clerks office.. to me, whatever I had to do to get Ron Paul the nomination.. I had no idea they would use that to remove me from my seat/ and for me to lose the nomination. So for me, Rand's endorsement was a wake up call.. and I believe that is true for many of us who woke up that the GOP didn't want us and intended to remove us over Romney.. which they didn't even like.. it was as if they were fighting to lose to Obama. That's MY experience.

So, I try to listen to Rand and understand why he is doing what he is doing.. least we forget, Boenher just purged Amash and others from a committee because they have issues with us.. so we are in for a FIGHT and you have to stay in the game to win.. so Rand is doing what he has to to stay in the game, and I would hope more of us would get in the game and help.

Look, it's real simple even


Didn't both Ron Paul's campaigns in '08 and '12 teach you anything???

As edgy as this site is, and how many conspiracy float around here, I can't believe you people can be so ignorant about how things work in Washington D.C. (Home of the Pentagon and AIPAC).

Look, it's real simple. Even an elementary school child...

can figure out that we won't vote for someone who doesn't follow his principles. That's what Ron Paul's campaigns taught me.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

Look, it's real simple. Even an elementary school child........

can figure out that what made Ron Paul soooooooooo respected by us and what made this movement so strong is because of Rons honesty, princibles, and voting record.

I won't get all googly eyed over Rand Paul ONLY because he is the son of the great one. He MUST prove himself to me just like his father did and it DEFINATELY isn't happening!

Rand reminds me of the rest of them and the Tea Party. They talk Liberty on one side of their mouths but will do whatever the status quo republicans tell them to do on the other side of their mouths!

Then maybe it's time to grow up?

Ron Paul's CAMPAIGN was Jesse Benton and John Tate, and not many here learned much from the campaign because they refused to join the GOP, become delegates, crrash the GOP.. Instead, they say back and waited for Ron Paul to FAIL so they could say, TOLD YOU SO.

Many people here make posts about tptb, the frb, the many government police state, security departments, the conspiracies of unsolved crimes, and they nievely think that all this applies to them, but not Rand. It applies far more to Rand than anyone here. Most people can not do what he has done getting a sentate seat, promoting ;cannabis hemp, and making stands for Liberty that a gains.

TRon Paul made NO gains in the house. He was ignored. Is that ok with your principles? Not mine.

Politics is not for the pure.. it's a dirty game and you've got to get dirty to play, and that is why they IGNOR, LAUGH, and FIGHT, son't care about you, how you vote.. you have no message.. you have principles that keep you enslaved to a system that you will not break from the outside.

May I ask, who are your principled candidates? Who is in office that is good enough for you?

You Know Granger....

You are like so many broken records. In your foolishness and your obstinance; with your entrenched and rigid attitude, you miss the points being made by so many people here on DP. You are one tunneled visioned person. You find promise in Rand. Good enough those of us whose brains are not imprisoned by the channel locks of delusion thankfully don't see it your way. Only time will tell.

As I challenged the RP fan boys and girls a few days ago, offer five (5)principled positions Rand has authored and promoted to a final healthy conclusion in the last six months. Just FIVE. Feel free to email me the answers. ha ha

Hemp legislation for food, fuel, feed, fiber, production

Rand's hemp legislation is HUGE.

Ending the police state in the USA..

Personhood beginning at conception


Anti-Patriot Act

Your bigotry and MSM / Youtube indoctornation is showing.

It takes a very open mind to join the GOP at this time in history when the own a gloabl mantal of shame and are blamed for corrption they are guilty. It takes a very open mind and a lack of apathy in Ron Paul's message of liberty.

You've got a better way? Tell me. Seems that your saying "only time will tell" translates to I have nothing (no candidates or representation) but I refuse to open my mind to life beyond MSM and youtube in the name of being open minded (after all you know conspiracy theories) and principled (AKA do nothing but maybe wave signs like OWSers." By all means, do what you want, but don't damn me for doing what Ron Paul asked AL of us to do JOIN THE GOP and GET ESTABLISHED.


I sincerely welcome Grangers broken record. It needs to be heard. She is knowledgable and correct on many occassions.

Skipper1946, you are also correct. And concerning Rand, it may be too soon to tell, but prior to election and up to this date, I have not been satisfied.

Granger keeps pressing for names. This reminds me of backing a candidate based soley on popularity. If it is names that she wants, look no further than Ron Paul endorsements. Granger, do you receive Campaign for Liberty in the mail? If you do, please read them before using them in the chicken pen.

Skipper1946, please continue to press for answers. It is imperative that we vet everybody, and leave no question unanswered.

Granger, please keep up the great work and promote what it takes to take over the party.

As for me, I keep hearing whispers: Justin Amash is on the horizon :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Amash = RepubliCAN

If you don't have any names.. like OWS has no names.. how much did OWS factor in this past election?
OH you have a candiate!!! rEVOLution PAC has just annouced a petition to draft Judge Napolitano for president. There you go! Perfect A MSM talking head!!! Oh now I'm sure we'll see all those principled folks who only vote for honesty get somewhere.. eh?

Rand Vs Napolitano (can the marginaile you more,, you bet they can)

Feathers ruffled again?

You are so cute when you are mad, even when you attempt to alter the words out of my mouth.

Those little red dots are sort of cool :-) Have you noticed how often the Constitution is referenced? In both?

Granger, do you remember when r3VOLution spoke? Pray tell, it will be thunderous.

Take a deep breath, and count to ten :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

If Ron Paul "made no gains"

If Ron Paul "made no gains" as you suggest; then pray tell why are you here with all your neocon propaganda trying to coopt the movement?

You can have your movement

GOOD LUCK I wish you all the success!!! MORE POWER TO YOU!!!

I personally don't think you have a chance in hell.. but I support you and hope I am wrong. I'd love to eat crow for you. Serve it up, the sooner, the better!!! PLEASE LIBERTY MOVEMENT WIN!

Meanwhile, I'm going to remain in the GOP, because that's where Ron Paul, Rand Paul, C4L, and many ex-libertarians and Indy's like me, who see the genius of getting into the GOP and working together to restore the republic.. with our rEVOLution as RepubliCANs.

You can fight me all you like.. it's not even funny how you call me a neocon, yet, you and the Neocons are on the smae page.. they don't want us in their GOP wither. We'll news for ALL of you.. we're in to win, and I believe we will achieve liberty for all long before you do, and despite your opposition and helping the Neocons from the outside.

So, let's see what your liberty movement comes up with? Got any candidates? Events? Resolutions? Money Bombs? Inniatives? anything besides a OWS like circus?

Stop talking bad about Ron

Stop talking bad about Ron Paul. You've been doing it for ages. I'm not fighting you, I'm fighting your propaganda. You want me to capitulate and work with the devil.

Would you have worked with Hitler to get your way too?

Isn't that why Neocons hate RP's foreign policy?

Ron Paul says we should work and trade rather than fight and war..

Nice try neocon

So you want to work together with King George and Hitler?

We already know that won't work. That's why this is WWW3 with you neocons. YOU are the extreme minority, and we don't need you. Most people do not even vote, so both parties are the extreme minority.

After what the neocons and old bankster guard have done, we know there is no working with you. It would be like calling Japan and asking to be friends after they bombed pearl harbor.

Told ya.

A sure sign to judge why Rand Paul is not relevant anymore as a true conservative--Sean Hannity speaks highly of him.

Rand is assenting to the War-hawk neocons so he could can gain admittance to their inner power circle. He probably still thinks he can infiltrate the good 'ol boy GOP system and change it from within. He is the one that will be changed, and not for the better either.

I like Rand, but his compromises will continue to grow bigger and bigger until no one will be able distinguish him from the rest of GOP gangsters. Perhaps to the point as not recognizing him as ever being influenced by his father's conservative views.

Conscience does not exist if not exercised

"No matter how cynical you get, it's impossible to keep up!
---Lily Tomlin

As Lew Rockwell said:

"Trying to change the GOP is like trying to change the Gambino family."

Hey watch it ... I'm a

Hey watch it ... I'm a Gambino

All paper money eventually returns to its real intrinsic value, zero. - Voltaire

It's not what Rand does as much as

what we do with what Rand does..

The thing about good old boys is they retire or die, so some of these compromises are not going stick over time when that good old boy moves on..

Our job is to help those good old boys move on and to become the influence growing our message within the party, rather than dismantaled parts hocked by third parties who ultimately get no where.

very sad

Yes this is very sad. Also he will become the media face of libertarianism but it will be distorted because he is cutting loose the non-aggression principle. A lot of folks, like me, don't understand economics but we can see how Hazelet(sp) makes sense as we see the wastefulness in lives and also property all these damn wars. Now the media will make Rand the face of libertarianism just like they tried with Paul Ryan. Rand? No thanks.


Rand Paul doesn't support the

Rand Paul doesn't support the wars, so how could he possibly be "cutting loose the non-aggression principle?"

These strange votes

The vote for Iran sanctions, the pandering to neoconservative big-wigs. The lack of passion against our aggressive foreign policy is what I am hearing from Rand. The whole RepubliCAN re-branding. What is Rand's passion besides advancing politically?