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Rand Paul Votes in Favor of $631 Billion U.S. 'Defense' Legislation

EPJ: Rand Paul's To Do List before officially running for president:

Visit is Israel (scheduled for January)
Make sure Military-Industrial Compex is funded (Check)

The Senate, by a 98-0 vote, authorized $525.3 billion in baseline military spending, trimming only a small chunk from the administration’s $525.4 billion request. Thebill also authorizes $88.5 billion more for ongoing wars."

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This is why we need to disassociate ourselves from Rand. He's becoming a false figure head, and the liberty movement is being co-opted...again.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

the fed

Also how has Rand Paul been about the Federal Reserve and banking? The REVOLution got me going because we were getting discussions going about the root of the problems. I am sold on the idea that the current finance system is the gasoline, the fuel for the current "American Way of Death".


Forrest Gumpp

Said it all. Stupid is as stupid does. I was first disappointed when Rand went on Hannity and endorsed Mitt Romney, since then The man said and did some very Questionable things. This is another blunder, he will never be able to take back. The acorn rolled far from the tree, "sorry to say."

dave anderson

What happened to Rand's "We need to cut military spending" talk?

He says that in interviews but then when it comes down to it he votes yes on spending just as much as all the rest of them want? What good is he then? Who cares if he throws a little bone to libertarians here and there? Here he is voting for big spending bills when he could have voted no and said we need to make it smaller. So he's all talk it seems like to me, and talk is cheap.

He sponsored

a bill to audit the Pentagon. Think that might expose some bad military non-defense spending?

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

The NDAA...

...covers a broad range of funding and spending...and also the indefinite detention clause. He worked hard and passed an amendment that took that out, how was he gonna say, "if you pass my amendment I still won't support the bill. It was gonna pass no matter what and he made it as best he could. If he voted "no" on this he would be labeled as not wanting to support our troops because that is part of the bill too..."Rand Paul voted to stop giving money to veterans", I can hear it already...

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Yes, libertarian positions are controversial

And attract a lot of criticism. Is this a good reason to give up on them?

he knew it would pass so he

he knew it would pass so he voted for it.

And that's why we should have voted.....

for Romney in the primaries?

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

Right.. good reason.. I guess

Right.. good reason.. I guess that is why Ron Paul voted with the majority all through his life... because he knew it would pass... DOH!

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...


this website has become an anti Rand Paul forum. You all should be ashamed of yourselves. We who want to move foward see right through you now, you just want to sit in the cheap seats and boo everyone, you have no idea how to take this movement to the win. You are a drag, get out. scumbags all of you anti Rand people. OHHH and by the way, We will be moving on without you 10k, if that, people. with rand, we will be bringing in MILLIONS of sheep into this movement. So huff and puff all you like, the REVOLUTION is moving foward without you.

This website isn't anti-Rand

It's not pro- or anti-anyone! It's about an idea, not a man.

And YOU should be ashamed for belittling everyone else.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

This is not a schoolyard playground.

Sound, well-researched statements, based on fact are much more helpful to your argument than name calling and emotive language. ...and I don't think too many here will like the idea of "bringing in MILLIONS of sheep into" anything. The idea is to empower them through education, so that they must be sheep no longer.

Im not Anti Rand... I'm anti

Im not Anti Rand... I'm anti war, I'm anti debt, I'm anti Fed, I'm anti interventionism, I'm anti hypocrisy. Rand speaks very well, but his actions are proving otherwise. He needs to work to win the will of the people, not the politicians who contribute to our looming issues. He needs to know why he is there in the first place... and thats his father, If he likes it or not, because of his last name, he is going to be held to a high standard and as of now is not fulfilling it. Anyway, why the hostility? Someone has a different opinion and that a reason to tell them to go away? That attitude IS the problem... not holding politicians accountable for standing up to principal is not the issue.

I have a feeling there was a reason Ron said he "hopes Rand sticks to the principals of LIberty...." seems hes not certain.

Their motto is "Dont Tread On Me"...

You and your kind are

beginning to make me absolutely sick.

Most Paul supporters tend to think of themselves as critical thinkers, looking past the "obvious" to find out the real truth. You can see this applied when you ask them what they think about George W. Bush Jr., Barack Obama, or any other establishment hack. They nail it every time, but the sheeple, they don't.

There's 2 reasons this happens to sheeple:
1. They are ignorant - most of the sheeple haven't studied economics, liberty, or war.
2. They are blindly loyal - they'll support any candidate as long as they're the same party or have blood ties to old favorites of theirs.

The group you belong to suffers from the latter because Rand is Ron Paul's son.

So, Rand votes sanctions on Iran. Rand supports fiscal bills that aren't so much fiscally conservative. Rand panders to the neo-conservatives. Rand does (another thing I'd never imagine his father doing)...

Under any other circumstance, this type of behavior would worry most Paul supporters. But the only thing that seems to matter to anyone is that Rand is Ron's son. And the funny thing is that I don't even consider myself anti-Rand. I'm just labeled that because I'd rather inspect and analyze what Rand does than turn my back and ignore him. I'm simply holding Rand to the same standard that I hold all politicians to and if that makes me anti-Rand in the eyes of you dirty hypocrites, then so be it.

Stop putting Rand on a pedestal.

neo doesn't like ron paul because the way he ran the campaign

neo doesn't like rand paul because he votes against iran sometimes, despite being the only non-interventionist in the senate


the last time i read someone who had the credential to criticize paul, they actually ran their own local elections and won. can't say i am big on nobodys calling the shots

neo i suggest you take these guys as your role models, if you're so big on whining http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/333529/liberty-and-vi...

the reason he voted for this bill is because there are two amendments in it he fought for, i suppose one is the amendment to NDAA. ron paul would put his bill in a larger bill and vote against it, rand would work for a bill then vote for it if it's jumbo'ed in another bill. there's the difference of style. i can't say which is better, but i am not acting like an uninformed juvenile, at least, as OP.

Nah, I'm starting to think that Rand is just a careerist

A career politician who's playing the game, not for any great benefit for liberty but simply for his own like the rest of them. He wouldn't be the first to do so, that's for sure. This is the NORM for the behavior of politicians so we shouldn't be that surprised. Ron happened to be exceptional but it's not all that common and sadly his son just doesn't cut it. He might not be the most evil in Congress, surely there are worse, but to me he's looking like just another run of the mill politician.

We did not become Liberal

We did not become Liberal America in one election, it took decades of slow gradual change. We will likewise not return to Conservative America in one election (the dream of a President Ron Paul), it will take decades of slow gradual change.

People who will only settle for a sudden reversal, the perfect in every respect conservative candidate, are not only going to be continued to be disappointed in the future, they're also going to serve as direct opposition to the slow gradual change required to turn the barge around, simply due to their stubbornness.

"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

Rand will not fool the Neocons

If this performance of Rand's is all a ruse, well, then we'll all be pleasantly surprised, but that is doubtful. Besides, I don't think one could get away with it. The RINOS & DEMS know their own kind too well to be fooled by that.

And, if Rand really is a Neocon, well, then, what a friggin' traitor he was campaigning for his dad in 2007, when I met him~~~all the while being a Warmonger, a Military Industrial Complex operative, if you will.

I am no sympathizer of Rand Paul. You see, if he had had these opinions, it would have been "ok" as a son of Dr. Paul~~~on his own and by himself~~~but the minute he started being involved with Ron's campaigning was the nano-second he set himself up as a TRUE BELIEVER of Ron's philosophies.

So, I have NO use for the likes of Rand Paul. Happy he'll cast a proverbial vote our way now & then, but that's it. It's no different than garnishing a vote from Barney Frank now. Let them have their "parties". Essentially, all 600 Congressmen & Senators are political prostitutes for the elites.

Only 5 of our politicians voted against the sanctions against Iran, against the Banking Bailouts & Stimulus spending bills, against the Patriot Act, and against the NDAA bill. ONLY 5!

It's not neocons he's fooling

It's not neocons he's fooling



"It may be a hundred years before a computer beats humans at Go - maybe even longer. If a reasonably intelligent person learned to play Go, in a few months he could beat all existing computer programs." - Piet Hut

It's not just the Military Spending,

it's the langage for Military action against Syria, that really 'takes the cake'. Rand, seems to think he can pander a little to all sides and draw all of us behind him for a presidential run, but he's gravely mistaken. The only reason he defeated the establishments primary challenger, is the overwelming support from Ron Paul's supporters, and his actions are driving them away daily. Rand, apparently believes his father's ideology can't win over enough to win, as he mistakenly believes his neocom advisors and the phony media lies. All he would have to do is explain how the Constitution prevents him from voting on bills like this, and educate the ignorant misguided right leaning and probably many left leaning people how this type of legislation is a major contributor to our ever increasing debt and foreign intaglements. The coming question is, will Ron Paul stick to his lifelong libertarian ideology and begin sttacking Rand's mistaken viewpoints? Rand is playing a losing game, period!

Rand voted against the Syria

Rand voted against the Syria amendment and gave an entire speech opposing war in Syria. Did you somehow miss that?

Does it matter what he says for the camera,

or is what he actually votes for perhaps more important?

yeah... Rand lost me about a

yeah... Rand lost me about a month ago... and he hasnt won me back

The Truth and the Constitution always Polarize

“You have to decide whether you want to make money or to make sense because the two are mutually exclusive.” - Dr. R Buckminster (Bucky) Fuller. We desperately need politicians who make sense.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

unfortunately..this is no

unfortunately..this is no longer surprising.

Rand is SOOOOO bad, I'd

Rand is SOOOOO bad, I'd rather vote for someone who doesn't stand a chance of winning just to teach the Republicans a lesson. Obama's successor will be a better president than Rand Paul any day. He's such a Neo Con... Doesn't have a clue what Liberty means... Must have been raised by little billy goats, not a son of Ron Paul...

Let's teach them suckers a lesson, ANYONE!!! BUT RAND PAUL!!!

McCAIN 2016!!!

"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

Rand Paul

sucks Frog Wangy!

It makes all kinds of sense.

Rand Paul is a Neoconservative with a twinge of constitutional conscience.

Of course a Neocon will visit Israel and vote for the military.

Rand is not a principled Libertarian like the old man.

Rand is just another neoconservative GOP good-old-boy wannabe.