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West Point cadet quits, cites 'criminal' behavior of officers promoting fundamentalist Christianity


Note the update - he got an honorable discharge. I'd say he earned it.

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Just another coward making up excuses

What a pile of crap.

Fundamentalism is the cornerstone of the Firster doctrine

If it is true that West Point encourages fundamentalist protestantism among its officers, then it is in keeping with the "Israel First" doctrine so heavily preached in American society.

Since both critical thought and Realpolitik is in conflict with American subservience to Israel, its rationale must come from the apocalyptic doctrines that Israel is the chosen land, Israelites the chosen people, and that Jesus as the messiah cannot come until the state of Israel is born.

Now that it is here, it must be preserved and indeed strengthened until it stretches from the Mediterranean to the Euphrates river, and the non-Israelite inhabitants liquidated.

Otherwise, the Prince of Peace will never come.

Such is the doctrine of the fundamentalist Firster.

Normal rational observers may note that the modern State of Israel has more in common with the idol-worshiping, acursed Kingdom of Ahab than the righteous Kingdom of David.

But don't try that argument with a fundamentalist from West Point!

"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"

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I'm a West Point graduate

and retired from DoD after 25 years of service. I'd like to say that this young man's story simply doesn't ring true. Unless life at the U.S. Military Academy has dramatically changed since I graduated, it's just not the case that any cadet there is forced, coerced, threatened, cajoled, or in any way pressured to conform to some religious test or standard. The same is true for the Army in general.

There are religious cadets and officers at West Point, and there are (or were when I was there) occasional public prayers at some ceremonies. No one has to bow their head, say a prayer, go to church, or do anything of a religious nature that isn't voluntary.

I might find his story more believable if he had said that a particular officer was guilty of his accusations. However, he has accused a broad swath of officers at West Point and throughout the Army. How does he know what the Regular Army is like? I didn't get from the story that he ever served before entering West Point.

If you read the comments section of that article you'll see a lot of them are from active duty and retired military who are either atheist or agnostic and are saying essentially the same thing I am - his story does not pass the smell test and there's probably something else going on that he's not telling.

IMO, the more likely reasons for his resignation are a change of heart about serving in the military and/or potential money from a book/movie deal around this controversy.

Ron Paul - Honorary Founding Father


I sensed there was more to the story.


Reading the comments....

I would like everyone to know I reject christianity for the same reason I reject statism. I reject authority over me, made up by people in costumes telling me what I should do with my life. I know most readers on this site are Christian, but you need to drop the bullying/downvote attitude towards people who do not confirm your bias. Yes, Ron Paul is a Christian. No, that does not make Christianity true. You need to quit being a mob and start acting like rational human beings. STOP DOWNVOTING people because they don't have the same religious upbringing as you. Replacing God with government or government with God is the same elixir for the same human need to be taken care of.

No train to Stockholm.

The difference between the authority of what you believe is

your God and the authority of the state is that your allegiance to your God is freely given, while the authority of the state is the authority of imperfect humans in its most arbitrary form, and most certainly NOT freely accepted. Everyone has at least slight differences in their value systems from those of everyone else. If they choose their value systems without violent coercion, how are any of these value systems the same as any values promoted by the state with violence? Jesus Christ was one of the most powerful and persuasive opponents of arbitrary human authority in history. You are confusing the arbitrary violently enforced authority of humans (including self-described "Christians") with the authority of Jesus Christ, which is an authority which is freely accepted or rejected by each individual. God has no power to rule this Earth with force, it is against his own rules.


Really well said. Religious authority is the authority of Christ and Christ only. It is a spiritual authority to each individual alone. It has nothing to do with worldly coercion and anyone who claims it does is a liar. All worldly, corporeal coercion is just that and nothing more, regardless of whether it 'claims' an authority from God, it does not have it, never has and never will.

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

I'm with you. I'll take it

I'm with you. I'll take it one step further by saying there has never been a state without a religion to go along with it.

Well put, thanks

The original western settlers that came to this country, came here for religious freedom.

ie. They could no longer tolerate the oppressive and obnoxious (and at times deadly) authoritarians that were telling them how to think and live.

So they left Europe and came here.

To the people that are totally and thoroughly sold on any one particular version of "invisible being" - and all the other stuff that came packaged with that version:

It doesn't necessarily make you a "better" person with more of the "right" answers - it doesn't make you superior or give you the right to judge people that aren't sold on your package.

Please leave the people that are NOT sold on your particular 'invisible being' package deal, alone.

True, they came for religious

True, they came for religious freedom but not so much to discontinue authoritarian rule. They became equally as authoritarian condemning those who didn't believe as they did. The original Puritans ruled with an iron fist and punished and exiled all those who went against their beliefs.

Our Founders did a truly radical thing when they created a secular Constitution for our country because the original inhabitants came here to create a theocracy that was based on their beliefs which were so heavily persecuted in England.

Blessings )o(

Slight correction...

The original Pilgrims were congregationalists - independents who were completely against authoritarianism including of the Church of England that had persecuted them. It was the second wave, the 'puritans' who founded the Mass. Bay Colony and still owed allegiance to the C of E, who set up the totalitarian theocracy. The one that came badly unstuck on its own failures of Liberty in the Salem witch trials. It is a tragedy that their flawed brand of Christianity is the one that prevailed (way more immigrants) and failed, because its failure was the failure of the New England Christian project.

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

Maeve -- I agree 100% with your first paragraph

It took however nearly 100 years (after 1790 convention) to establish a "truly" (and even then it was never "truly") secular centralized gov't.

A gov't that bows to unionized voting gangs is no better than one that is bullied by organized religion.

What made America free from the evils of European religious subjugation was the utter dependence on "civility" far far removed from the comforts and regiments of a millennial old AND the freedom from foreign invasion (those two huge oceans have granted us more freedom then guns and butter).

I used to get annoyed too

I remember my captain coming on the 1mc during 9/11 and giving us a "god and country" speech, turning out the christian rhetoric. Was very jingoistic and nationalist.

No train to Stockholm.

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No More "isms" necessary

No More "isms" necessary


"[...]Everyone claims support for freedom. But too often it’s for one’s own freedom and not for others. Too many believe that there must be limits on freedom. They argue that freedom must be directed and managed to achieve fairness and equality thus making it acceptable to curtail, through force, certain liberties.

Some decide what and whose freedoms are to be limited. These are the politicians whose goal in life is power. Their success depends on gaining support from special interests.

The great news is the answer is not to be found in more “isms.” The answers are to be found in more liberty which cost so much less. Under these circumstances spending goes down, wealth production goes up, and the quality of life improves.

Just this recognition—especially if we move in this direction—increases optimism which in itself is beneficial. The follow through with sound policies are required which must be understood and supported by the people.[...]"

(emphasis mine)


"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

an athiest cries fundemental christianity

how many times due we have to hear that before we learn not to listen?

How many times...

..does one need to be reminded that a person who is not a theist is an atheist, and that an "athiest" would simply be the "most athy"?

edit: thank you for the down vote. It was truly obnoxious of me to try to make us look, as a group, less bigoted and illiterate.

When I am corrected, I say "Thank you" because I always yearn to be more correct. Clearly I am an unusual sort. You Earth people -- go figure.

dynamite anthrax supreme court white house tea party jihad
to be continued

If you want to know real

If you want to know real Christianity just look at Dr. Paul´s example. It is very weird how there are these people trying to justify wars based Christian principles. That is manipulation.

And BTW, Dr. Paul is the candidate who most closely matches the principles of the Catholic faith. Pope spoke against war with Iran, ending the blockade with Cuba, end abortion, etc.

If you want to know real

If you want to know real Christianity, you look to Jesus Christ.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

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Max! Well said! :)

I doubt that Jesus would call himself a "Christian"

or say "these people here have perfectly represented me?"

If you were to give a graded rating of how Christians have lived up to the Teachings of Jesus Christ, since his demise, what rating would you give?

An A (90 to 100%)

A "B" (80-89%)

.....C, D, F

If "humility" (born sinners) makes you say an "F" then why should I EVER listen to a Christian regarding the "how to live" aspects of the man-created teaching surrounding the Life of Christ?

If your vanity (yea we're saved and are 'getting it right') says an "A" then you are saying Jesus would have no criticism of those warring-about in his name?

That's not to say that

you can't look at RP's example, because you can.

Just an FYI for my comments

Lutheranism is not Fundamentalism. Fundamentalism is Calvanistic in theology. Unfortunately, it does run smack dab into many problems, many which have been expressed by our not so religious brothers. I think that the problem with Fundamentalism is that it confuses Law and Gospel. It teaches that Gospel is Law. This of course turns off so many people and causes a big stink (as false teaching tends to do). Also, there is an inward focus toward your salvation, your good works. Of course this is horrible as no good work can get you into heaven, but the Gospel itself. Also, there are 'feelings' of the spirit, which of course is also garbage. One can have no feelings what so ever and be a true believer. In fact, feelings are bad because they might be of the Devil himself. Thus, Lutherans are content with the Word and Sacrament as the only means God deals with us. No inward fire that is supposed to consume us (and eventually creates burned out Christians who turn to atheism due to their 2D cardboard faith).

Its funny that all the atheists on here are hammering Christians using the arguments from the Radical Reformation they so hate. They uphold the Radical Reformation as THE symbol of Christianity while of course ignoring all other Church Bodies. (the three others are Lutheranism, Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy). I, of course, oppose the Radical Reformation.

That said, I cannot support forcing a guy into worship service. If such is the case, you only make him more of child of Hell (Jesus' words in such an instance).

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May the LORD make His face shed light upon you and be gracious unto you
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I'm a Sermon on the Mounter.

I'm a Sermon on the Mounter. Don't care much for the rest of the labeling/religious bs.

And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:

And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;

Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:

But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.

And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

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I do not practice religion

much these days. I grew up Catholic though and I have always loved the sermon on the mount.

Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth is my favorite quote from the sermon.

You have just made the Sermon on the Mount a law

Congrats. You turned pure Gospel into something people must obey.

That is how Luther and I would view it.

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Really it's just a philosophy

Really it's just a philosophy of how to treat others, and conduct one's affairs with respect to eternal consequences. I don't waste my time on doctrinal mumbo jumbo, in fact I wont read Luther and I certainly won't read anything they sell in a 'christian bookstore'. I just read the words of Christ and say 'I want to be like that'.

Well of course

The Law in its summation is best explained as 'Love your neighbor', but the Sermon on the Mount was not Law, it is Gospel. Lutherans divide Law (commands) and Gospel (promises). Each article of the Sermon on the Mount are promises, not commands. To do so places a bar so high that you will despair and fall away from the faith.

How can you command someone to be 'Poor in Spirit', or 'Be a Peacemaker', God only blesses those who are and who among us is not Poor in Spirit to begin with.

Doctrinal 'mumbo jumbo'. Heh, you just created your own Doctrine. That is Post-Modernism for you. That is your true philosophy, moralistic therapeutic deism.

Luther himself preached Christ word. Our Doctrine is called the 'normed norm' that is it is normed by the 'norming norm' of Scripture. That is the Book of Concord, our Confession as Christ taught us to Confess.


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It is written: And to the

It is written:

And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate. Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

I've never heard of this 'book' of Concord (Nicolaitanes) before.

Christ is the teacher not Luther. I read Christ's words, not man's.


I wonder if Jesus would instead condemn your doctrine as it is very hypocritical. I will bring my Confession to the judgement seat of Christ. False teachers and false doctrine will be judged accordingly.

The Book of Concord consists of:
The Small Catechism
The Large Catechism
Augsburg Confessions
The Apology to the Augsburg Confessions
The Smalcald Articles

The 6 chief parts of Lutheranism are

The Creed, The Lord's Prayer, Repentance, Baptism, Office of the Keys, Communion

That is the summary of it all. Pray tell, which of these is a doctrine of Satan? Nothing about Lutheranism involves Satan whatsoever. Americans are not the only Christians. American Christianity has and will always be a minority of crazies. In that I mean, you denounce doctrine while at the same time advocating new doctrines. Our doctrines are the doctrines of the Apostles.

Note, modern Lutheranism does disagree with many things Luther stated (often in private), but where Luther was right we stand with him as a Confession of Faith.

I already explained that The Book of Concord is the normed norm by the norming norm of Scripture. Your piece of writing is a doctrine again. You should really stop contradicting yourself. You sound like a hypocrite.

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If you're accusing me of

If you're accusing me of following the words of Christ alone, excluding all catechisms and confessions and man-made articles I happily plead guilty!

It is written:

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

It is also written:

Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.