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West Point cadet quits, cites 'criminal' behavior of officers promoting fundamentalist Christianity

http://www.opednews.com/populum/linkframe.php?linkid=159634

Note the update - he got an honorable discharge. I'd say he earned it.




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Can I ask you something?

Why is it that so many Christians automatically assume anyone who criticizes their religion is an atheist? You seem to have a fondness for blaming "atheists" for anything and everything you don't like.

Also, are you in a drama club or something? Because it's always "I await your stone throwing/arrow slinging/cruel judgements/cart me off to a camp" with you. Enough with the persecution complex already. Many of the "sinners" (your term) in the US also happen to share your faith-- think on that for a moment before you criticize other belief systems, or the absence of one.

Maybe people wouldn't "launch stones" at you if you didn't go around spouting revisionist history and making blanketed statements.

A signature used to be here!

Good thing there is the Gospel

God purchased salvation for everyone. True story. Lutherans are single predestinationists.

I am blaming atheism as that is where the root of all the arguments are coming from, Post-Modernism.

There is even a guy who is mulling over gassing Christians to have his atheistic utopia on this very forum. A generous lot they are.

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gee, LOTS of questions to be asked here:

Could the wars oversees be categorized/deemed as "promoting fundamentalist Christianity"?, or "'criminal' behavior of officers,"?

What about this story?: http://www.denisonforum.org/cultural-commentary/576-west-poi...

...is this not a "secular enough" event for West Point, irrespecive of the fact it violates DOMA on Federal Property....

On the one hand, it's atheists offended a government school is shoving religion down their throat - but - what about state funded schools shoving social justice down their student's throats and demanding that values derived from one's gender, ethnicity, sexual preferences etc. are UNACCEPTABLE? http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/12062

Honestly gang - this country is LOST spiritually ... and now ... in the name of "liberty", how in the HELL are we supposed to "fight" for what is right, just, moral, good, beneficial, amd fiscally responsible when we have NO moral compass whatsoever; in that, the IDEA that a Creator(so named in our very own Declaration of Independence) must be not only kept OUT of the conversation about "liberty", but rather, we celebrate those who OPPOSE a demostration of behaviors and reverential attitudes associated with a belief in a Supreme Being who would be a just author of something known to our founders as "Nature's Laws" for our BENEFIT!

Majority opinion is now a "crimnal act"; separation of church and state means Ron Paul's values derived from his faith in Christ must NEVER impact/persuade/shape his policy position on domestic or foreign affairs, or he is unfit for office?

All this "freedom from religion" crap is NOT something to be celebrated as a victory FOR the Liberty our founders separated from the mother country for...our founders supported a PURE faith, one grateful to an Almighty God for liberty - not a HATEFUL one(faith that NOTHING exists out there)...

Close your ears to the prayers of others; as I do when K-Street, pro-family, apostate, compromised, money-serving, lying, unregenerated, unrepentant professing Christians EMBARRASS the rest of us truly born again believers - but don't go on the war path that this government ought not give ANY recognition to the most likely Judeo-Christian God of the Bible as Creator higher than Caesar - because that's just a stupid and insane position to say there should be NO public mention of God on any "public grounds" at anytime, nor with in ear shot of a handful of atheists ...

Good for him if he will go elsewhere to complete his education, where the proud and Godless can be encouraged amongst themselves ... but seriously; is the Liberty movement going to CELEBRATE this as a victory, and join him in falsifying Thomas Jefferson's "separation of church and state" sentiment in his letter to the Danbury Baptists?

Yeah, I'm all over the map on this one; but between Jesse Ventura's sentiments about religion beign a crutch for the ignorant masses(yet he is scared of the mayan calendar prophecy), and this kid's crusade against the willing subscribers to a belief in God at West Point(even though Patraeus didn't take the movie Fatal Attraction to heart); I think we're steering what Ron Paul started in the WRONG direction if we are FOR statesmanship, but against a biblically-based Creator or morality.

I'll answer, though I know you can't comprehend

"Could the wars oversees be categorized/deemed as "promoting fundamentalist Christianity"?" -- Absolutely, F-an-A, YES!

"...is this not a "secular enough" event for West Point, irrespecive of the fact it violates DOMA on Federal Property...." -- The military operates under the UCMJ, DOMA has no bearing. Also, "chapels" on government institutions are multi-use buildings, not Christian.

"On the one hand, it's atheists offended a government school is shoving religion down their throat - but - what about state funded schools shoving social justice down their student's throats" -- The atheist in question was not "offended", the religious throat-shoving was affecting his career and he was being discriminated against. Huge difference. I agree state schools should not be shoveling the idea of "social justice". But, social justice and atheism is an apples to oranges argument, it is a nonsequitur. The overwhelming majority of those who push the idea of social justice are Christian, at least 85%. Gigantic logic problem there.

"and demanding that values derived from one's gender, ethnicity, sexual preferences etc. are UNACCEPTABLE? http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/12062" -- To be fair, that was a story about one professor out of hundreds of thousands. Now, the whole idea in that article is ridiculous. But, not only does it have nothing to do with the situation above, as the military is a government agency, your assumption that it is nation-wide is silly.

"Majority opinion is now a "crimnal act"; separation of church and state means Ron Paul's values derived from his faith in Christ must NEVER impact/persuade/shape his policy position on domestic or foreign affairs, or he is unfit for office?" -- That is such a display of false-victim stupidity I almost can't believe I read it on DP.

I won't even try to counter your ramblings about immorality. This nation is over 90% Christian, and almost 100% of people in Congress are Christian (minus 3 people I think). We are involved in a religious war of Christians killing millions of brown women and children because they believe in a different imaginary man in the sky. Your moral hypocracies are your own.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

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Correction,

"this nation is over 90% Christian" should read "this nation has close to 90% of it's population which claims to be Christian, but are not", and also "almost 100% of people in Congress are Christian"...I literally burst out laughing when I read that one. True Christians do not put their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold an oath before God and then immediately violate that oath over, and over and over again. They also do not wage unjust wars and commit murder and genocide in the process.

Let's not confuse people who claim that they are Christian with those of us who actually are. I think the actual percentage of Christians in this country is closer to 20% and in Congress there are only 3 that I know of, and one just retired.

Ahh...yes, Prime Fallacy #2

The old "they are not real Christians" thing. Just as the other 80% would say about you. Weak. Very weak.

Changes nothing I said. You cannot avoid the truth - and that is 90% of the people are Christians, of all types.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

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I see,

all it takes for something to be true is someone claiming that it is...if that is the case then the prisons are full of innocent people (just ask them) and Congress has our best interest at heart (just ask them also). And I guess if I dress up as a police officer, that makes me a cop too. In reference to whether or not someone was a Christian, Jesus said to pay no attention to what they say, but instead that "you will know them by their fruit"..meaning their actions. If this country and Congress were full of true Chrisitans, abortion would be illegal, there would be no unjust wars, people would honor their oaths and we would have a sound money system, not one based on debt and lies. The fact that we have none of these things is merely proof that Christians are in fact, not the majority, but the vast minority.

I find it kind of incredulous that you actually believe that someone claiming something to be true is all that is required for it to be true. That would mean that in your world people never deceive themselves or others...sounds like a great place to live, but it doesn't exist anywhere on this earth that I am aware of.

Again, doesn't change anything

I totally agree - the gigantic and powerful, overwhelming majority of our population have destroyed the Constitution. But, they are also Christian.

You can believe all you want in your own version of Christianity being superior to all others. And, you may be right, I have no metric to test that. But, to claim that 90% of the county are not part of a Christian sect of one form or another - is just a blatant lie.

If they are Christians gone astray, well then I guess you need to all get together and figure out what you are doing. It is amazing that a truth that is so obvious and a text (the Bible) that is so inerrant and inspired by an omnipresent supernatural voice recorder can have so many interpretations. But, if you have figured it out, then bravo. Time to teach the other 80%, who think you are wrong.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

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No, there is only

one true Christianity and it is the one that recognizes Jesus as Savior and Lord of their lives. It also requires it's followers to turn from their sin and obey God's Laws to the best of their ability. It's really not as complicated as you are trying to make it. That is what Jesus was referring to when He said you will know them by their fruit. If you live in a perpetual state of sin and lawlessness you know not God or His Son, it is as simple as that. All Christians will fail on occasion, but those that call themselves Christians and live in a perpetual state of lawlessness and sin and promote others that do the same are not Christian at all, no matter what they call themselves, it simply does not make it so. As the Bible puts it, "If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth, but if we walk in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His son cleanses us from all sin." John 1 1:6-7

The actions of this Congress speaks for themselves. With very few exceptions, they know not God nor His Son.

Yup - exactly

"one true Christianity and it is the one that recognizes Jesus as Savior and Lord of their lives. It also requires it's followers to turn from their sin and obey God's Laws to the best of their ability." -- That is exactly what every Christian sect (including Catholics) teaches. Thank you for proving my point.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

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Yes, Mohusk,

but teaching something is not the same as living something. That is where the word "hypocrite" comes into play. Did you know that the word "hypocrite" appears in the New Testament dozens if not hundreds of times, and with good reason, because it was then, and is still today a very predominant sin. Jesus condemns hypocrisy over and over again. A hypocrite is one who preaches against something that he/she is practicing on a regular basis or also one who preaches the need to do something which he/she themselves is not doing (i.e. if I tell my children not to lie and lie to them on a regular basis I have become a hypocrite or if I preach to them the importance of healthy eating while I live off of junk food and cigarettes that also makes me a hypocrite).

So yes, there are many, many hypocritical Christian "sects" which preach one thing while living another, but the fact that they are doing so should call into question whether or not they are in fact Christian in the first place.

And by the way, although I am a Christian, I am not a Catholic, if that is what you were getting at.

OK, continue the charade. I figured you would.

Congratulations on your sect being the only real one. How lucky you are.

(I was not insinuating you were Catholic, it is just that people like you often don't consider them Christians. Which obviously you don't.)

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

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Not sure exactly

what "charade" you're talking about, and I never said that my church was the only real one either. Why must you twist what I am saying? As far as Catholics go, I would never venture to say that there are no Christians that are Catholic, but I would say that if they are and continue to read their Bible as the Lord instructs us to, ultimately they will begin to have questions about how the Catholic church, especially the leadership, conducts itself, as well as many of the practices promoted by the Catholic church (Saint worship and prayer, etc.). For example, the Bible is very clear that our salvation comes from repentance and faith in Christ alone. No where does it say that we need to say 10 Hail Mary's and 10 of the Lord's prayers and then we will be forgiven. Especially prayer to Mary...although she certainly can be honored, worship of her falls into the category of idolatry. Nor are we ever instructed to pray to anyone other than Him, yet Catholics promote prayer to the Saints and to mother Mary as well. I think that Peter, Paul, John, Mary, or any of them would be horrified at the idea that we would look to them to answer our prayers instead of to the Father himself. They also seem to miss the Commandment which says we are to make no graven images. There isn't a Catholic church out there that doesn't have a statue of either Mary, Peter, Paul, John, or some other Saint and especially Jesus. And that doesn't even touch on the issue of the Pope, being a "godlike" man...that is the greatest idolatry of all.

So many of these problems would be solved if people would just read their Bibles.

Thank You

For consistently proving me correct.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Why even say it

if it is uncomprehendable to us stupid Christians?

Really, sometimes I wonder how I can make coffee in the morning I am so stupid.

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and they say Christians are obnoxiously."legalistic"

...I am glad you replied, but the denial that the "imaginary man in the sky" will have his perfect law, history, and prophecy proven true, despite all of mankind's mockery and substitutionary counterfeits to suit our selfish whims as to how He ought to be reverenced and obeyed voluntarily; is an even more futile act of rationalizing and justification.

Pseudo-intellectualism at its best, based off the observation of Christianity's worst hypocrites, not personal study and seeking after the Creator....and so it goes on....the long war against God in America.

Legalism

is against Christian Doctrine. We are also hypocrites and sinners. You caught me there.

A sinner and saint at the same time, that is me since Baptism. Good thing the Gospel exists.

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OK.......

Have fun with the whole Rapture thing.

Thanks for not addressing your weakness of arguments. I'll assume your forfeit.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

The Rapture business is

highly unorthodox. It is a fairly recent notion that has gotten way out of hand. Thankfully, the whole dispensationalism fad is on the wane.

The Rapture

is not a Christian Eschatological Doctrine.

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Prophecy Will Be Proven True - REALLY?

Do you mean to suggest that even the Christian Bible prophecies which have already been proven false will one day all be proven true?

My opinion is that my article "Sowing The Seeds For A Peace Revolution" identifies SOME Bible prophecies which have irrefutably been proven untrue:

- http://www.dailypaul.com/241312/sowing-the-seeds-for-a-peace...

Christ is the fulfillment of all prophesy

Where has the Bible been 'proven false'. Are you still clinging to 19th century liberal scholarship that has been so thoroughly dis-proven that no one uses it anymore? Christ did rise from the dead.

How did a bunch of xenophobic isolationist Jews shed worship on Saturday to Sunday and go beyond their borders to teach that Christ died for their sins, wrote books that are verifiable at the 1st century, and died for this Christ who was raised? A simple question really.

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The Resurrection happened

it is verifiable history.

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Scholar Says Jesus Did Not Die On Cross

- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/7849852/Jesus-did-n...

But granting that he did die on the cross, and also that he was resurrected, what bearing does this have with regard to any of my claims?

Was the scholar there?

probably not

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

There is tons of evidence Romans Crucified 2000 years ago

Even down the the specifics as there are many bodies with broken legs and pieced hands and feet. To believe anything else at this point is a mere superstition weaved from 19th century liberal scholarship. 1st century scholar Tertullian testifies to Roman crucifixion.

All prophesy has been fulfilled in Christ. All of the Old Testament was fulfilled through him. That is a mighty fine bit of prophesy at work there.

Also, Jesus himself predicted the destruction of the 2nd Temple. Again, that is kind of a feat.

Also, he predicted he would rise in 3 days as spoken about the Prophet Jonah.

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despite your pull to hope to agitate..

...atheism is an insane minority worldview...

Birds of a feather...the kid in the story had seen enough over the past 20 years of his life, and now he is only right in what he believes to be true now because, well, he just does!

He might change his mind later in life...discrimination? Whatever.

Does he know half of everything there is to know in the universe? Does he, or any of us know for certain no Creator exists, or, that He didn't honor our founders heartfelt sentiments that Americans ought to be given a shot at self governance because they believed We The People would obey and teach His moral precepts because they saw precedent in the world history they had already studied diligently and lived?

This debunking God part of the movement is such a stain that makes so many not take us seriously, let alone flies in the face of our purported goal to restore exemplary statesmanship back into representative government.

You guys enjoy yourselves with that "enlightenment" that there is no Creator because subscribers to the worlds religions are equally concerned about self preservation and crave security.

How dare you have an opposing view!!!

HOW DARE YOU!!!

We will prevent you from "forcing your morality" down our throat while at the same time force our morality down your throat. You must abandon all your beliefs and adopt ours because we are right and you are wrong.

Oh, and you cannot say we are wrong or else we will call you stupid and probably imply you should not be living because you are a drag on the entire human race.

Their logical arguments are so compelling and definitely are not drawn from emotion.

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Easy PUG,

I will not address the first of your rambling revisionism. As far as the "debunking God part of the movement is such a stain that makes so many not take us seriously" - I think it is the other way around. Over 85% of the nation is Christian in the most religious nation on the entire Earth. It is your flock that has created the stain.

The "enlightenment" you mock, specifically the American Enlightenment that gave us the Declaration of Independenct and the Constitution, does not require faith, nor does it require atheism. That is the great BEAUTY of what "we" should have in common. Yes, most people in the world are concerned with self-preservation and security - as are the nonreligious. That is a nonsequitur, there is no difference.

You only know about those of us here who are nonreligious/freethinkers/whatever because we, on rare occasion, jump in to defend ourselves or someone like us. On the other hand, there are Christians who are constantly condemning others and beating their chests about their world-view here, all the while their kin, their fellow religious, the gigantic, ginormous, overwhelmingly huge majority of over 90% of this nation (yet somehow still the constant wailing victims of discrimination, not sure how that works) have done such a wonderful job of 'not' killing millions of innocent people and maintaining our wealth and keeping the Constitution.

Perhaps it is you that need some guidance about the American Enlightenment. Perhaps it would be best to see the glory in the subject of the article in question - a rare example of the enlightenment, and the Constitution, still working.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

I Never Said There Was No Creator

Though I believe my article proves beyond any reasonable doubt (using the Bible´s own criteria) that the Christian Bible is not the inspired word of an all-knowing truth-speaking God:

"Sowing The Seeds For A Peace Revolution"
- http://www.dailypaul.com/241312/sowing-the-seeds-for-a-peace...