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West Point cadet quits, cites 'criminal' behavior of officers promoting fundamentalist Christianity

http://www.opednews.com/populum/linkframe.php?linkid=159634

Note the update - he got an honorable discharge. I'd say he earned it.

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The Bible is

the inerrant Word of God. It testifies to the Man Christ, Jesus who was resurrected.

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If the Bible is Errant, As You Say, Then It Should NotBe Trusted

as a testament to anything. Perhaps you meant to say "inerrant"?

The Bible actually (falsely) claims to be inerrant:

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God." (2 Timothy 3:16)

"As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is flawless...." (2 Samuel 22:31)

"And the words of the LORD are flawless...." (Psalm 12:6)

"As for God, his way [or method of inspiring scripture] is perfect; the word of the LORD is flawless...." (Psalm 18:30)

"... I [God] will put my words in his [the prophet's] mouth" (Deuteronomy 18:18) [It is clear here that the inspired words of God were not subject to any alteration by the inspired writers of the Bible. Had this passage instead stated that the inspired words of God were to be placed into the 'mind' of the prophet, only then would they be subject to possible alteration due to erroneous preconceived ideas, misunderstandings, or what have you. So in effect, what the Bible says here, in context with the other passages cited, is that the inspired written/spoken words of the Bible came word for word from God, and therefore are absolutely flawless.]

"Every word of God is flawless...." (Proverbs 30:5)

- AMAZING PHOTO delineating where UNRESTRAINED CAPITALISM has taken us: http://www.rense.com/general96/whatare.html
- "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."-- Mohandas Gandhi

*inerrent

sorry

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3 Good Examples of Bible Errancy

- Daniel 12:2 raises the prospect of a third class of people, who will not be resurrected to a glorious afterlife, nor to an inglorious punishment, but will simply stay dead. This is not in keeping with the traditional Christian teaching on such matters, which is based on passages like John 5:28-29:
Daniel 12:2 "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." (KJV)
John 5:28-29 "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." (KJV)
[This is a clear case of Biblical contradiction regarding one of the most fundamental Christian tenets/doctrines]

- The Bible (apparently regardless of which translation we look at) clearly contradicts itself regarding Jesus' last words on the cross:
Luke 23:46 ""Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last."
John 19:30 ""It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit."

- God's name Yahweh, was given to Abraham (in Genesis), and yet later (in Exodus) was stated to have been kept from Abraham and others:
Genesis 15:7 "And he said to him [Abram], I am Yahweh who brought you out from Ur of the Chaldeans to give you this land to possess."
Exodus 6:3 "I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob [each individually], as God Almighty, but by my name Yahweh I did not make myself known to them."
[The reader can verify the use of the name Yahweh in these verses from the original Hebrew using the online Interlinear translation at http://scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Hebrew_Index.htm ]

For more excellent examples please read my article:

- http://www.dailypaul.com/241312/sowing-the-seeds-for-a-peace...

- AMAZING PHOTO delineating where UNRESTRAINED CAPITALISM has taken us: http://www.rense.com/general96/whatare.html
- "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."-- Mohandas Gandhi

..atheism is an insane

..atheism is an insane minority worldview...

And one that has been shown to have members of a higher intelligence than xtianity.

its an easiy exposed/defeatable show of ignorance too...

Mr. Atheist, do you know everything there is to know about the known universe?

No...

Mr. Atheist, is it possible God exists in the part you don't know?

Crickets.....

Human eyesight is a product of random chance over millions of years, how "intelligent"....

You're hilarious. Human

You're hilarious. Human eyesight is a product of millions of years of evolution. Look at the halibut. Dumb argument. So what you've displayed is the old argument that anything you don't know or can't explain must be the work of a gawd. That's lazy and ignorant. You people only appreciate science when it suits your needs. It's so tired. I used to waste my time with people like you but I've come to realize that you like your fantasy world too much to be rational or logical.

Where do you get this observation from?

Where is the logic to back this up.

I guess I am so stupid. Why don't you just gas us while you are at it and eliminate us stupid people?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qxqnfk9MtMU

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Why do you take personal

Why do you take personal offense by my statement. I never called anybody stupid. And why would I want to eliminate anybody? I'd like to eliminate religion, sure. The logic to back up that claim stems from numerous studies done on the matter.
http://www.midus.wisc.edu/findings/pdfs/1197.pdf

http://davesource.com/Fringe/Fringe/Religion/Average-intelli...

http://www.asanet.org/search_results.cfm?q=atheists

Those studies don't even matter

They are not indicative of the population.

There are plenty of scientists and 'smart people' who are extremely devout.

Being an electrical engineer and knowing many engineers who are devout Christians, I can say for certain there are dumb atheists and dumb Christians.

In fact, I would rather be ruled by a smart atheist if I had my choice in things.

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They would matter if the

They would matter if the roles were reversed though, huh? Scientists? Good one.

"Christian" Zionism has to be stopped

so that Humanity can prevent the III World War they are cooking!

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The State of Israel

is not the Biblically established State. God destroyed that a long time ago due to Israel and Judah's rebellion. Good thing God foresaw this and established the universal Church bound to no state. (Hint this means that Levitical Code is for that nation alone. We are bound by whatever laws the authorities give us, but they must be reflections of natural law, love your neighbor as yourself.)

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While he should not be

While he should not be required to attend religious ceremonies that he does not believe in, nor should he be discriminated against for not attending, his understanding of our Constitution is wrong. It protects freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. He did the right thing walking away if religion is not his thing. However, I don't agree that there should be no religion in the military. All recruits should be able to attend the religious ceremony of their choice, or not. It is their right.

Blessings )o(

Wrong.

Freedom OF religion = freedom FROM religion.

"Freedom" is the point.

What would the Founders do?

He has a right not to

He has a right not to practice a religion, correct, but no right to force that environment to be free from religion, as that infringes on the rights of others around him. He handled it in the absolute best way. He was the one offended by the religion around him, so he walked away.

Blessings )o(

Again and again, that is not the issue

You misread the article completely.

He was not "offended" by the religious people - he was punished, discriminated against, in other words he was not evaluated on his skills and abilities - it is called prejudice. He didn't "walk away" because he was "offended" - he no longer wanted to be a part of religious instruction and propaganda under the guise of the US Military.

I agree it was not "his right to force that environment to be free from religion" - that is a gross fallacy, and has zero to do with the issue. It wasn't that religious people were around him. It was that his education, his career, was being hampered and effected because of the prejudice - and that he would not receive favorable treatment and rewards that others did because they were Christian.

If the military was not part of the government, it wouldn't be an issue. As they are an agency of the government, they cannot give preferencial treatment to Christians and punish non-Christians for not being Christian. That is, defacto, establishing a religion.

It happens daily in the military - it is just rare that someone finally had enough.

You are using the old "...not freedom from religion" BS. That is true I guess in a wide sense in general public (you cannot shut down a church or a street preacher because someone doesn't like it). But, when it is a government agency, religious expressing is fine as long as religion itself is not used in the treatment of an individual.

Trust me, atheists have to deal with a religious environment everywhere, the US is the most religious nation on Earth. And, at least in my point of view but I'm guessing this holds true for a huge majority of the nonreligious, it doesn't "offend" me. I find it silly and constantly hypocritical, but neigther I, nor the soldier in the article, have a right to not be offended. That is not the point.

I know you don't get it. That's OK - have fun with your brainwashing.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

You know. You make a good

You know. You make a good argument and I was ready to agree with you until you got insulting at the end. Now I'm telling you to shove it because you're a jerk.

Blessings )o(

Sorry

Read too many Burningsirius posts in a row. I wasn't trying to insult you specifically. And, the "brainwashing" statement was made based on the old "freedom from religion" mantra, I wasn't very clear. But, then again, denying agreement on a position because of emotion doesn't change the fact that you were granting credibility.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Here we go again.....

Where in this article does it state that members of the military cannot practice their religion? I'll answer: nowhere. You are making a gigantic assumption without reason.

Every member of the military is allowed to do so, trust me.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

According to the young man in

According to the young man in the story, he was forced to practice a religion and was discriminated against for not having a religion. His "religion" was no religion, so he was actually prohibited from it. Like I said, it should all be voluntary, and in this case he is an atheist and he should be allowed to practice atheism if he so chooses.

Blessings )o(

Fallacy called "Begging the question"

There is no such thing as "practicing" atheism. That is a ridiculous interpretation.

Being discriminated against is wrong no matter the reason.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Atheism

is by definition a religious belief, thus it can be practiced.

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Wrong,...again

The definition of an atheist is one who does not have a god-belief. That is all. You are an atheist in relation to Allah, Zeus, etc... It is not a religion, not a world-view, not an agenda - it is, well, nothing. As I have said many times, the only time in my life it even blips into my brain that I am an atheist is on the DP when I am discussing divisive material. So, no, there is nothing to "practice". I haven't met or spoken with a fellow atheist in person, that I know of, in years.

Another mischaracterization without any evidence, and on purpose.

Someday, you will learn the value of honesty.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Coming from the guy

Who thinks lying is okay as lying is not a sin.

Sin merely means missing the mark of perfection. Are you perfect? You sure think you are. You are a god unto yourself.

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Bump

Good find.

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He is lucky - and brave

You'd think they would have learned after the Air Force Academy events. It goes much farther than West Point or academies, there are officers in Iraq and Afghanistan that are commanding based on a purely religious crusade.

"There are no atheists in foxholes - we are too busy fighting"

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Christians should say

"We are to busy being slaughtered by atheistic regimes and not fighting back".

We pray in foxholes for our enemies, for the war to end.

Look at the Christmas Armistice for that one.

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Nope, wrong again.

There has never been, nor will there probably ever be, an "atheist regime".

Your reflex response is based on revisionist history and propaganda. The Nazi's believed they were on a Christian crusade, the Bolshivek Revolution was rife with religious imagery and the Christian god supporting the "social justice" of the labor revolt, Pol Pot declared himself to be a deity and his followers believed they were doing the work of supernatural beings, and on and on....

Ask unit commanders in Iraq and Afghanistan how they felt about "praying for the enemy".

Must be nice living in a pretend world.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

There will never be a 'Christian Nation'

as God has saved all nations. Stalinism was pretty adamant it was true atheism.

You can live in your pretend world where there was no Pontius Pilate, no Ceasar Augustus, or the resurrection of Christ.

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