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You Guys Are Delusional

if you think that Rand pretending to be a good little neo-conservative is somehow going to get him the presidency. The people that run this country know who his FATHER IS!!! Do you think they are really gonna let a Patriot in wolves clothing get elected?

SHHHH! its da super secret plan lol. Even if mainline conservatives warm up to him more than Ron, all it takes is for a media blitz against him for the brainwashed masses to be done with him.

Look, The Media took the MOST UNPOPULAR CANDIDATE EVER and made him the GOP Nominee. You are gonna sit there and tell me that Rand playing their game is gonna help? THEY OWN THE GAME!!!!!!!

See that strategy would of worked for somebody like George Bush pretending to be pro establishment. Rand and Ron's reputation automatically disqualify them, at least the way things are now.

If there is any hope to be found, its by taking the power away from the msm,the cheating voting machines, and waking people up!

Government needs to be taken back from the local level and up!

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Ok so what are you doing?

Give specifics please.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

Deja Vous

Its funny, the "lets all get behind Rand" crowd is using the exact same arguments as the "lets all get behind Romney" crowd did during the primaries.

We don't need to consolidate our support around any one person at this point, and doing so would be detrimental to the movement. Rand isn't "carrying" the popular vote here on the DP any more than Romney was "carrying" the popular vote in the republican primaries. What makes you think that solidifying his "nomination" will somehow get everyone to fall in line?

We need to focus on how we will fight the machine, not who will be the symbolic figurehead when we do. That decision can safely be decided later.

How do we ensure a fair vote count? THAT is something we need to sort out sooner rather than later as it will have a much more significant impact on our success.

Rand and Boehner

I do not think that those two have really much to talk about.



Yeah, I'm not going to take this little rant seriously.

You'd rather have us not at least try? Good on you, go hunker down in a hole somewhere while we do some work.

The Revolution Continues..

quote by me "If there is any

quote by me "If there is any hope to be found, its by taking the power away from the msm,the cheating voting machines, and waking people up!"

I do not want to sit there and do nothing. It is just that there are people who think that Rand, as things stand, has a chance in 2016. They think that him warming up to the establishment could be the thing that wins him the presidency. Never mind the corruption, cheating, media blackout. There are people who actually believe this.. dont believe me? Just read the DP.

Whoever it is we choose in 2016, if you want to truly win, your gonna have to start now. Start fighting the voting machine fraud and the power of the msm. Any man poised to change things for the better will not be let into the oval office unless we change things first.

Was this country's freedom won because George Washington or Patrick Henry compromised on Independence?

Rand ain't his father

I'm sure he is politically posturing to advance in the senate. So what? Why would he play the game the same as his Dad?

I could see him becoming senate leader for the Republicans in the next 5 years or so. McConnell is at the age when most senators retire from the leadership. Could do a lot worse than Rand.

With scumbags like Eric Cantor, Lindsay Graham and Joe Lieberman out there, you are venting your anger at Rand? Give me a break.

thats the thing...

His dad didn't play games and thank goodness he didn't. His dad is also the reason that the movement has grown so much in the last 8 years. I am not venting my anger at Rand. I just know that having Rand play the role of some middleman between the Liberty Movement and the GOP is not the best card to play. Many people act like this is solid strategy and its as if they haven't learned anything about the corruption of the establishment this last election cycle. Remember, we've played by their rules. You simply cannot slay a dragon by becoming friends with it. The dragon might invite you into their cave, but it's only to chew you up and spit you out at the right time.

It doesn't matter if its Rand we support or some other candidate; the campaign for liberty never stops! I fear that people are ready to put all their eggs in the Rand Basket. They are just setting themselves up to get their hearts ripped out a second time. If we don't fight this machine for what it truly is folks, we are setting ourselves up for a lot of pain and disappointment.

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Your post was challenging. To me anyway.

Your post was challenging. To me anyway.

I hesitated between voting you up or not voting, either way.

I eventually voted up, out of instinct.

The tone is very negative and I usually don't like like it. Correction : I never like negative posts re: freedom supporters (us). Of course, denouncing infamies is a totally different ballpark : outraged tones are natural to me, in that case.

So, as much as I don't like the tone of your post, I agree very much with its core content.

That is : I agree it's very likely that the time for strictly political "solutions" or "strategies" or - you name it ... IS WAY BEHIND us.

As regrettable as that can be. When your leg is broken, it is broken. The time to play football is DEFINITELY past. It's time to seek for healing and rest of the limb. At least temporarily.

If you want to play football again in the future. Where I'm going :

I believe, AS OF RIGHT NOW, PURE POLITICS IS BROKEN in this country. So is the currency. The latter : DESTROYED, actually.

It's time for back to the basics : VALUES AND PRINCIPLES IN ACTION, because, The Law, anyway, is Perverted - The container (The Law) CANNOT HOLD the water anymore (Principles).

We are IN DIRE NEED of another way out. ACTION, yes. THE POSITIVE KIND, that is.

Put differently :

We ALL understand Liberty. We ALL understand Freedoms. We even understand agreeing to disagree on some issues, even the most debatable topics, the touchiest, e.g., abortion, the legitimacy of the 14th Amendment, etc.

But politically speaking : I'm afraid we're like a deer in the headlights. Not our fault. The corruption is EVERYWHERE. The government NOW CORRUPTS THE ALWAYS MORE APATHETIC AND INDIFFERENT PEOPLE ITSELF ! Damn it !

Bottom line : yes, I wholeheartedly AGREE it's time for (peaceful, THOUGH FIRM, WITH STRONG VOICE - OUT LOUD !) REAL ACTION, now become absolutely UNAVOIDABLE.

Please check this out I so wish could contribute helping our cause :

If it's not CONCRETE AND FIRM, CHALLENGING, EVEN, action ... well, I don't know WHAT is.

Question is :


I hope with all my heart we are.


"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

In my experience

The apple rarely falls far from the tree. It's just plain common sense.

If you were raised by Ron Paul of all people, it's gonna rub off on ya. There just plum ain't no way around it.

Now that's my gut talkin, gut instinct.

There's other choices out there, but I usually go with my gut, and that's just me talkin, I aint speakin for no one else but me on that.

Do not oversimplify

Had US, after winning ground operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, 1) withdrew; 2) secured the oil fields to receive reparations to cover the war costs; 3) forced Kuwait to pay for the first Iraq war expenses, THEN with 90c/gal gas, economy might had been still rocking.

Few would care about the war, drones, Ron Paul, individual liberty.

W H A T ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Do you believe that we should charge Iraq for destroying its infrastructure, murdering a million of its people and contaminating it with depleted uranium?

I don't think that Ron Paul would want any part of your philosophy.

is rand paul the most non-interventionist senator in the senate?

yes or no. no answer longer than 3 letters. i don't want bs.



Ventura 2012

They don't own the game. We own the game.

If we will just show up we will have the numbers in enough states in 2016 to have our way with Fox News, the establishment, the banks, etc.


We don't own Jack...

but the bankers do. The banksters carry a drawer full of stooges to be placed on the spotlight for some attention. Remember even if Romney did not get the GOP nomination, one of the other stooges would've move right in. In a way they were propped up to obstruct Ron Paul from getting the nomination.

But in 2016 we do have a chance to own. All we need to do is add multiple liberty loving candidates in the mix for the GOP nomination to outnumber the bankster boys. This way, should two or three get knocked down we have another two or three candidates available.

The Libertarian Party, irrelevant since 1971.

I think both are right

Local level up definitely.

But rand can run and win.

First we have to get involved locally.

Yep, delusional.

Yep, you are delusional.

Rand is much like his hero Mitt. One never knows on which side of an issues he will be. If he is so in favor of smaller government and lower taxes, why does he vote for bigger government and higher taxes?

Perhaps is his schizophrenic.

In any case, he is not even remotely worthy of the 2016 GOP nomination.

You're delusional if you

You're delusional if you think that Rand votes in favor of bigger government and higher taxes. I challenge you to post one roll call vote where Rand voted that way.

Okay, here you are.

The NDAA makes government bigger and someone has to pay for it, whether it be via direct taxation or via inflation.

Please apologize for your totally inaccurate description of me as being delusional.

Yeah, Rand doesn't support

Yeah, Rand doesn't support gutting our military so he supports "bigger government." I understand.

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Thank you for this. I'm glad I didn't miss this information.

Thank you for this. I'm glad I didn't miss this information.


"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Rand can run as a patriot and

Rand can run as a patriot and win as a patriot. Rand can't run as a neocon and magically fool everyone.

Ventura 2012

Can you show me

at least 3 pieces of evidence that prove he is a neo-con?

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

#1 I never said he was a

#1 I never said he was a neocon

#2 I never even said he was RUNNING as a neocon.

My point is he should not try to run as a neocon.

Ventura 2012

ya and you're going to be a guardian and nag the movement to

its 100% principles.. lmao

You know people have gone

You know people have gone over to the dark side when I say don't run as an actual neocon and people get all defensive and pissy lol. Even Rand Pail would tell you this.

Ventura 2012

I don't think he's

I don't think he's "pretending to be a neo-conservative." I think it's clear that Rand is the most non interventionist Senator we currently have, judging from his voting record and his speeches.

That's not...

That's not saying much. Would you think you were complementing someone by telling them they smell better than dog droppings?

Non-Interventionist Senators

Don't vote on Sanctions...

Or am I just naive?

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I said that he's the most non

I said that he's the most non interventionist Senator we have, not that he's 100% non interventionist.