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3 Good Examples of Bible Errancy

- Daniel 12:2 raises the prospect of a third class of people, who will not be resurrected to a glorious afterlife, nor to an inglorious punishment, but will simply stay dead. This is not in keeping with the traditional Christian teaching on such matters, which is based on passages like John 5:28-29

UPDATE: Kudos to tfichter who has succeeded in finding a potentially valid resolution for Daniel 12:2 by using a different original language literal translation than the one I used. "tfichter"'s comment can be found here:
- http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2857934

However, because Gods chosen translators/linguists were apparently unable to correctly translate this verse for modern day Bibles, a red flag needs to be raised, that perhaps Gods original choice of words for this verse was less than perfect. Remember, God claims to have invented the languages and to know the future (this supposedly all-knowing God would therefore have foreseen this ambiguity). And how many of even todays Christians in third world countries could reasonably be expected to search out the correct meaning of this verse? Most of them do not even have access to the Internet. And we still do not know with certainty that tflichter's explanation is the correct one. It's almost as if the Bible was soliciting to receive a black eye here (this seems woefully sloppy).

- The Bible (apparently regardless of which translation we look at) clearly contradicts itself regarding Jesus' last words on the cross:
Luke 23:46 ""Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last."
John 19:30 ""It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit."

Note: There Can Only Be One Final Phrase Uttered. Neither of the above two verses were stated in context to possibly be the second or third to the last phrase uttered by Jesus, but rather the final phrase uttered.

- God's name Yahweh, was given to Abraham (in Genesis), and yet later (in Exodus) was stated to have been kept from Abraham and others:
Genesis 15:7 "And he said to him [Abram], I am Yahweh who brought you out from Ur of the Chaldeans to give you this land to possess."
Exodus 6:3 "I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob [each individually], as God Almighty, but by my name Yahweh I did not make myself known to them."
[The reader can verify the use of the name Yahweh in these verses from the original Hebrew using the online Interlinear translation at http://scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Hebrew_Index.htm ]

Bonus: Christian Bible Scholar Reluctantly Says Jesus Did Not Die On Cross

- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/7849852/Jesus-did-n...


The Positive Message Behind This Post:

Many organized religions, including those stemming from Christianity/The Bible, have misrepresented the most important thing in the universe, which of course is love. Without understanding the true principles of love in the proper context, humanity is helplessly hindered from achieving world peace.

This is why I wrote the article "Sowing The Seeds For A Peace Revolution". It offers the opportunity for the general public to properly understand the truth of this matter. People really ought to read this article in its entirety:

- http://www.dailypaul.com/241312/sowing-the-seeds-for-a-peace...

It is well and good if people wish to offer their two cents regarding the 3+ prospective Bible contradictions discussed throughout this thread. However, MORE THAN A THOUSAND TIMES OF GREATER IMPORTANCE is correctly understanding and applying the true essence of love.

So who then will be the first Christian to acknowledge that to this end I have INDEED spoken the truth?




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The error is on you, not the

The error is on you, not the Holy Bible.
1. There is more than one resurrection in the Bible. Many shall arise at this one in Daniel. Therefore Daniel is correct.
2.Each gospel account is written from a different perspective. Matthew as the King of the Jews, Luke as the son of man, John as the Son of God. In this case it is certain parts of his final words emphasized.
3. As for Exodus 6:3. Moses knew the name LORD and he wrote Genesis so he could have wrote that in in any way he wished. But that is to simple of an answer. Notice the context of Exodus 6:3, "And I APPEARED unto Abraham..." Check the references, if you do you will find that every time God APPEARS to Abraham, Issac and Jacob they adress him as "Lord" or "God" When the LORD finally APPEARS to Moses (Exodus 34:5-7) He expounds the nature and character of the word Jehovah.

Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

John Adams

Glad to see you are reading the Bible

If you read the New Testament, particularly in light of the law taught in the Old Testament, you will see that Jesus was all about love.

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

-C. S. Lewis

Love is manifested by Him and defined by His word.

His word is the truth. I like this verse when He is on trial he stated His reason here.

Jesus answered, "You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth."

The night is far spent, the day is at hand.
And those who have not heard shall understand.

Female Logic

"Many organized religions, including those stemming from Christianity/The Bible, have misrepresented the most important thing in the universe, which of course is love. Without understanding the true principles of love in the proper context, humanity is helplessly hindered from achieving world peace."

IN what exact hierarchy is an emotion more important than the creator of the Universe?

Solid Logic

In that the bible states that God is love, it would seem that the two are on the same plane. But remember, the only thing potentially higher than God is the truth.

You are falsely assuming that the specific parts of the Bible to which I was referring are the inspired words of creator God.

- AMAZING PHOTO delineating where UNRESTRAINED CAPITALISM has taken us: http://www.rense.com/general96/whatare.html
- "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."-- Mohandas Gandhi

Even God's name takes a back seat to this.

Ps. 138:2: “For You have magnified Your word above all Your name.”

The night is far spent, the day is at hand.
And those who have not heard shall understand.

I like to see lists

Despite the biased hostility that sometimes accompanies them.
I think I'll put together a list of these "errors" to compare with the list of facts in the bible that are now proven by science(link at the bottom of my comment).

Exodus 6:3 "I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but by my name Yahweh I did not make myself known to them."

I can speak personally to the so called "error" concerning the name. In my experience, one can be told the name but not know the primacy of existence. Exodus makes it clear by using the first person form "I am." So, He could tell Abraham his name, but not reveal it. I would guess he only understood the 3rd person form of the name, "He is," YHWH, and the first person explanation was later given to Moses, "I am," AHYH.

1st person "I am"(the explanation given to Moses)
2nd Person "You are"
3rd person "He is"(the Name given to Abraham)

If this theory were correct, "God Almighty" would be a likely alternative defining characteristic.

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Hear, O Israel: YHUH our God YHUH one. And thou shalt love YHUH thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

yeah....

I just have trouble getting past the talking snake. Sounds like greek myth to me.

Have you ever read Thomas Paine The Rights of Man?

The Greeks came from Adam too.

The Greeks came from Adam too.
Further the bible supports the existence of the Greek gods and amazing beasts.
They were called the Nephilim.
The children of fallen angels who made it with human women and beasts.
Why do you think there was a flood?

"You only live free if your willing to die free."

just getting ready to post

just getting ready to post the same. Saw your comment. up voted. It is amazing how so many people do not actually study the book but are experts. The only thing I would suggest is that the Greek gods were actually the Angels who VOLUNTARILY left heaven.

Voluntarily NOT!

The Bible is very clear that those angels who sided with Lucifer, were CAST OUT of heaven and will on the last day be cast into the lake of fire!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Yes, and it opposes much of

what the founders as well as RP fought for. This work was used as a defense of the French Revolution. In case people here do not know their history, the French Revolution was the opposite of the American War for Independence. It resulted not in anything resembling true liberty, but tyranny. By the time of Rights of Man, Paine had not lost his beautiful style, but had lost his grounding. The best short description you will ever find for that tragic time may be the last few paragraphs of Dickens' Tale of Two Cities describing how the murderous thugs at that time would eventually be murdered by the next round of murderous thugs, but eventually that too would end.

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Way to start a fight

dude.

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.

If People Cannot See That I Am Only Here In The Name Of Love And

... truth, then I have truly failed. Fighting is certainly not the goal here, and since posting this I attempted to encourage people to focus on the positive message behind this post. And relative to many other threads I have been in, so far, in my view, this one has been very civilized.

However, trying to raise awareness in this way with regard to genuine love, and truth, in general, does seem to parallel a great deal with my struggle the past 20 years to raise peoples awareness that big government is not in the interest of the people/liberty. Shadow government, real conspiracies, truly an uphill battle to raise awareness.

"In The Name Of Love" U2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHcP4MWABGY

- AMAZING PHOTO delineating where UNRESTRAINED CAPITALISM has taken us: http://www.rense.com/general96/whatare.html
- "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."-- Mohandas Gandhi

I Hope This Too Will Help Open Peoples Minds:

"The Masons (fake Christians) manipulate the Christians, the Jesuits (fake Catholics) manipulate the Catholics, the Zionist Khazars (fake Jews) manipulate the Jews, and the Ismailis (fake Muslims) manipulate the Muslims. We're all being manipulated by IMPOSTERS and ya'll don't get it! The secret societies have been in cahoots TOGETHER, and against us common folk for ages. WAKE UP EVERYBODY! your neighbor is NOT your enemy!!!!!"
- http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2861213

- AMAZING PHOTO delineating where UNRESTRAINED CAPITALISM has taken us: http://www.rense.com/general96/whatare.html
- "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."-- Mohandas Gandhi

Bad translation and misunderstanding.

There are two resurrections and Daniel was speaking of only one. But there ARE three "classes" as you put it, not derived from this verse in Daniel but perhaps in harmony with it. The righteous enter the Kingdom, the wicked are destroyed in the fire and their are those bad servants who are thrown into outer darkness "where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Mat 8:12, 22:13, 25:30.

The verse in Exodus is a bad translation. And you prove it with your own words. Actually His Name is first used by Eve (Gen 4:1) and it is known by all dealt with Him personally. That is why Moses wanted to know His Name in the first place so that the Elders would know that Moses was telling the truth.

The verse along with verse 4 are accurately read as, "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Yacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Yahweh was I not known to them? Having also made My covenant with them,..." In other words don't you think they knew His Name seeing as how He made His covenant with them.

As far as New Testament contradictions go, Paul tells Timothy "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" 2Ti 3:16 I doubt that he or Timothy thought of Paul's letter as "Scripture".

Let's look at Luke again and I think you will find your answer.

Luk 1:1-3 "Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,"

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"...and I think you will find your answer."

Is this how salvation is to be determined, by going through this maze of information that you just expertly negotiated to uncover what you "think" is the correct interpretation? I'm just asking the question here. Is this the way God will determine who will be saved and who will be cast into hell, by their correctly interpreting passages like these?

Who will be saved you ask?

The entire Bible is that very message of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in Him alone is there salvation.

Not any works that we have done but by the regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost which God has given to all who come to Him for mercy in the name of Jesus Christ the Lord and ONLY Way to eterntal life!

To have faith in Him for salvation, you must either hear or read His Word of Truth about Him for "Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.... and without faith it is impossible to please God"

and THAT is why sinners like myself declare to everyone that Truth so that you might hear and believe in the ONLY name under heaven whereby you might be saved.

Peace

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

No. Salvation comes from Faith.

Faith is belief that is acted on. There are many who believe and have faith but are still deceived and they will be judged by their works and their hearts. Most of us are far from perfect and are glad for His mercy and understanding.

Then their are those who deny and seek to destroy. Those who look for discrepancies of man as some how proof against GOD. They reject Him and therefore will be rejected by Him.

There are those few who are called saints who will take part in the first resurrection over which the second death has no power. These are those who "Have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah and keep the Commandments of Elohim."

There is no doubt that the verse in Exodus is interpreted wrong so why is my studied interpretation considered less valid? A question mark instead of a period can make a lot of difference.

how did the thief on the

how did the thief on the cross next to Jesus have time to act on his faith? Jesus told him that on that day he would be with him in paradise.

I think Holbrook got it.

He knows our hearts.

How?

With his very words ( while dying ) he acknowledged Jesus as Lord!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

And from the heart

Yahshua knew this.

SteveMT's picture

I try to correct discrepancies that say God is not good.

I understand about having faith in God. I do, and I appreciate your kind words. I have a very high esteem for the Almighty. If I read something that differs from my belief that God is absolutely good, consistent, logical, merciful, and truthful, then I try to set the record straight. That is all. You did do an expert job of explaining those passages, period.

deacon's picture

???

But Moses had to hide his face,because,he was told,if he looked upon him,he would surely die

setting your expectations to high,can cause depression

SteveMT's picture

Although Moses hid his face,he then proceeded to argue with God.

Moses is actually giving God a very hard time. Yet, Moses was afraid to look. After awhile, God should have told Moses to just shut-up and do it. The Almighty has a lot of patience. Thank you, God.
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Exodus 3

11 But Moses said to God, “Who am I that I should go to Pharaoh and bring the Israelites out of Egypt?”

12 And God said, “I will be with you. And this will be the sign to you that it is I who have sent you: When you have brought the people out of Egypt, you[b] will worship God on this mountain.”

13 Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?”

14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.[c] This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”

15 God also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The Lord,[d] the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’

Exodus 4

4 Moses answered, “What if they do not believe me or listen to me and say, ‘The Lord did not appear to you’?” “This is my name forever, the name you shall call me from generation to generation.
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10 Moses said to the Lord, “Pardon your servant, Lord. I have never been eloquent, neither in the past nor since you have spoken to your servant. I am slow of speech and tongue.”

11 The Lord said to him, “Who gave human beings their mouths? Who makes them deaf or mute? Who gives them sight or makes them blind? Is it not I, the Lord? 12 Now go; I will help you speak and will teach you what to say.”

13 But Moses said, “Pardon your servant, Lord. Please send someone else.”
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+3&version...

deacon's picture

Sorry,I wasted your time

I should have been more specific...and posted the bible verse
Here is what i meant

Exodus 33:20
New International Version
But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."
http://biblehub.com/exodus/33-20.htm

Then the bible records 3 people being directly transported into heaven,Elijah,being one of them,did these 3 not see god face to face?

setting your expectations to high,can cause depression

could you define love

in the article so that the matter can be better understood and settled.

The Article Gives Insights Into What Genuine Love Is In Multiple

... in multiple ways making it a worthwhile read. But then, based on all this, a universal law is derived and formalized (you cannot miss it in the article as it is surrounded with 2 lines of astericks).

Then, later in the article, it is demonstrated how all through its grand picture, the Bible is actuality in harmony with how the article presents this, and how other parts of the Bible which seem to contradict this, seem out of place, so the article also attempts to offer a possible explanation. It is a shame how most Christians have failed to grasp and take to heart this bigger picture which the Bible presents.

- AMAZING PHOTO delineating where UNRESTRAINED CAPITALISM has taken us: http://www.rense.com/general96/whatare.html
- "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."-- Mohandas Gandhi