3 Good Examples of Bible Errancy
Submitted by RicoCabeza on Thu, 12/06/2012 - 20:39- Daniel 12:2 raises the prospect of a third class of people, who will not be resurrected to a glorious afterlife, nor to an inglorious punishment, but will simply stay dead. This is not in keeping with the traditional Christian teaching on such matters, which is based on passages like John 5:28-29
UPDATE: Kudos to tfichter who has succeeded in resolving Daniel 12:2 by using a different original language literal translation than the one I used. "tfichter"'s comment can be found here:
- http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2857934
- The Bible (apparently regardless of which translation we look at) clearly contradicts itself regarding Jesus' last words on the cross:
Luke 23:46 ""Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last."
John 19:30 ""It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit."
Note: There Can Only Be One Final Phrase Uttered. Neither of the above two verses were stated in context to possibly be the second or third to the last phrase uttered by Jesus, but rather the final phrase uttered.
- God's name Yahweh, was given to Abraham (in Genesis), and yet later (in Exodus) was stated to have been kept from Abraham and others:
Genesis 15:7 "And he said to him [Abram], I am Yahweh who brought you out from Ur of the Chaldeans to give you this land to possess."
Exodus 6:3 "I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob [each individually], as God Almighty, but by my name Yahweh I did not make myself known to them."
[The reader can verify the use of the name Yahweh in these verses from the original Hebrew using the online Interlinear translation at http://scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Hebrew_Index.htm ]
Bonus: Christian Bible Scholar Reluctantly Says Jesus Did Not Die On Cross
- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/7849852/Jesus-did-n...
The Positive Message Behind This Post:
Many organized religions, including those stemming from Christianity/The Bible, have misrepresented the most important thing in the universe, which of course is love. Without understanding the true principles of love in the proper context, humanity is helplessly hindered from achieving world peace.
This is why I wrote the article "Sowing The Seeds For A Peace Revolution". It offers the opportunity for the general public to properly understand the truth of this matter. People really ought to read this article in its entirety:
- http://www.dailypaul.com/241312/sowing-the-seeds-for-a-peace...
It is well and good if people wish to offer their two cents regarding the 3+ prospective Bible contradictions discussed throughout this thread. However, MORE THAN A THOUSAND TIMES OF GREATER IMPORTANCE is correctly understanding and applying the true essence of love.
So who then will be the first Christian to acknowledge that to this end I have INDEED spoken the truth?
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Why do you want to destroy people's faith?
I'm pretty much an agnostic... My mother is deeply religious... she fully expects to one day again see her brother she lost when she was 16 in heaven.
I would never try to destroy her or anyone else's (peaceful) religious beliefs.
To what end do you do this? What do you care what others believe?
I should also mention that I don't like the reverse - people trying to pull me into religious beliefs... but I can excuse this a bit since they believe Jesus wants them to spread the Good News... but what is your excuse?
Only Because Erronious Teachings Are Impeding World Peace
The thrust of my article is to highlight how organized religion (yes, Christianity included) has been an impediment to world peace:
- http://www.dailypaul.com/241312/sowing-the-seeds-for-a-peace...
"Organized religion" maybe, but not true religion
Here is how the Bible defines true "religion":
"Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world." James 1:27
Ron Paul - Honorary Founding Father
RicoCabeza
We will pray for you.
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Are we only awake politically, but not in other areas?
Should People put their faith to the test everyday? Believers and non-believers should be sure about what they believe, and they should adapt their beliefs (or lack thereof) according to any new information. If their entire life is based on something, then they should make sure that what they believe passes the test, whatever that test is. Why believe in something that you may find out decades later is not true?
That is your personal belief - and my own
That is your personal belief - and my own... but others 'shouldn't' have to test their faith any more than they wish.
Faith is a pretty strong word and implies an almost unquestioned belief in something... even when presented evidence to the contrary. Faith isn't something to be 'adapted.' - especially religious Faith.
So - do you think I should try to convince my mother that Heaven is a silly idea so that when she dies, she won't be disappointed to not be there? I don't see how that would benefit me or her.
Is the libertarian position that 'she is free to believe, and I am free to attempt to alter her belief'? It might be... But I guess I go more for the 'do unto others' libertarian philosophy - I don't want others trying to alter my religious beliefs. I've always seen Ron Paul as that kind of libertarian.
Abrahams faith
is the best picture of what biblical faith is all about.
Abraham was promised by God a son in his old age. Even though the evidence was contrary to the promise, (Abraham was old and Sarah was old and barren) Abraham staggered not at the promise of God, but was confident that what he had promised, he was also able to perform.
And what does the scripture say? "Abraham believed God and it was imputed to him for righteousness." And when Abraham was 99 years old, Issac was born of Sarah as God promised.
It is the work of the Devil to cast doubt on what God said.
The very first words of the Devil recorded in the Bible are: "Yea hath God said"
Genesis 3.
I don't hear much in other religions about their books being pure or from God. In my experience it is only the Bible that is questioned.
Even modern scholars do it. Just read the introduction to the new "Bibles". There is always something being improved because the work of translation is never done.
The God that created the heaven, the earth, the sea and all that is in them; The God that raised his son from the dead, is not able to keep his written words pure and without error?
I know that you didn't say it, but those that do, need to consider their position. The Bible is either right and men don't understand it or care to. Or its wrong and not the word of God. It cannot be both.
Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
John Adams
It is the arrogance of the people pusher,
the statist. So convinced of his own righteousness he is as obnoxious as the worst proseletyzing Bible thumper. It is pointless to argue theology with "Bible scholars". Satan can quote scripture with the best of them. And the arrogant people pusher knows exactly what "we" "should" believe.
There is a reason TPTB hate Christianity and attack it constantly.
There is a reason "Bible scholars" come here to insult Christians.
It's not rocket science, it's pretty transparent.
I respectfully disagree with you, Bill.
I understand what you are saying, but comfort zones are an illusion. Moses wanted no part of the burning bush and going back to tell Pharaoh "Let my People go." Moses was actually arguing with Almighty God about this "who am I that I should go?" Saul wanted no part of the donkey talking to him on the road to Damascus. He was in his comfort zone killing and persecuting Christians. Ever heard of Dave Wilkerson (The Cross and the Switchblade)? He was a drug addict, gang member, who was also pretty comfortable and didn't want to hear anything else.
You get my point. The harder someone is fixed in their (perhaps) incorrect beliefs, all the more harder that they will believe in the new information, if someone can only get through to them. They will be more "on fire" with this information than the ones who sort of lackadaisically agree. How to tactfully attempt this on an individual basis is the key.
Peace.
Who gets to decide what beliefs are correct or not?
This is especially pertinent when nobody else is being harmed.
Beliefs?
If you want to believe that the federal reserve is a good thing, if you want to believe the official story of 911, if you want to believe that Oswald was a lone gunman, if you what to believe that the earth is flat, if you want to believe in the two party system.....do I need to go on??
Yes, but those are things that can be proven untrue
You and science have no proof of god and no proof the other way either.
jrd is still here... kinda in a weird sort of way. She also just might be the happiest girl in the world because she got exactly what she wanted which was a perfect summer wandering playlist.
While alive, we do. Afterward, God does.
He will be the one to decide what beliefs are correct. If a soul is lost due to incorrect beliefs, then that soul is indeed harmed forever. Correct?
Truth is the issue
The issue here is truth - not your "interpretation" (you did use that word), misunderstanding and twisting of scripture. Others here have pointed out your lack of understanding and (I believe) dishonesty in your attack on Christianity. At least one book was recommended to resolve the non-existent contradictions you allege. Yet you are not interested in finding resolutions. You are not looking for a reason to believe God's word, but reasons not to.
In one of your replies below, you say, "I truly am on to something!"
No, you are not. Proverbs 9:10 says, "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding." Start there and you'll be on to something. In the meantime, as Romans 1:22 says, "Professing to be wise, they became fools..."
No King but Jesus, no President but Ron Paul
Proverbs.......
You can't argue the bible by quoting the bible!!! The poster is not quoting the bible, yet pointing out the contradictions
Yes, he can
The Bible is a library of 66 self-authenticating books, internally consistent with a single theme - the revelation of Jesus Christ as God's plan of salvation.
"All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;" 2 Timothy 3:16
Ron Paul - Honorary Founding Father
You Are Assuming the Bible Is the Inspired Word of God
My article attempts to use rock solid logic, objective reasoning, and the Bible´s own criteria for what is the inspired word of God, to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that in its current state, it is not:
"Sowing The Seeds For A Peace Revolution"
- http://www.dailypaul.com/241312/sowing-the-seeds-for-a-peace...
Mattew 7:7
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
I challenge you to seek god instead of trying to disprove of him.
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ASK?
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
That's what you call blind faith.
That verse does look like "blind" faith
when taken out of context. Here it is with the rest...
"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man is there among you who, when his son asks for a loaf, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, he will not give him a snake, will he? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give what is good to those who ask Him! In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets." Matthew 7:7-12
The meaning becomes clear in context - Jesus is teaching His disciples that they should approach God as their Father, and that they should likewise treat others as they want to be treated.
Ron Paul - Honorary Founding Father
I challenge you to seek the truth.
Seeking the truth IS seeking God. God = the truth. The Bible is not a given. Neither is the Koran, the Book of Mormon, etc. God gave us the mind to question everything, including what we believe.
Finally - Someone Who Truly Gets It
In Truth!
"Sowing The Seeds For A Peace Revolution":
- http://www.dailypaul.com/241312/sowing-the-seeds-for-a-peace...
The fear of the LORD is the
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom
And that's one of the biggest bs things about it. Fear and control. Why fear a loving and merciful bring? Why is gawd so jealous by the way? The whole things a joke. Xtianity will go the way of the thousands of religions before it. And it will become a minority just like the religions it was plagiarized from. There are few things original to xtianity. All I know is that I'm glad people aren't allowed to live every word of the bible, I'm no fan of rape, murder, and infanticide.
The entire bible is about freedom and free will.
Escape from the oppression of egypt, babalon.
God REQUIRING you to choose your direction OF YOUR OWN FREE WILL, contrary to Satan and the serpent who entices through control and promises to take care of you.
Sound familiar?
Jesus came to FREE MEN. Entry to the kingdom is REQUIRED to be through FREE WILL ONLY if you CHOOSE to believe in him.
What is MORE libertarian than that?
There is no way into His Kingdom unless you CHOOSE of your own FREE WILL to enter.
He's certainly not forcing you. Don't go if you don't want. He wont make you. It can only be through free will.
Satan on the other hand OWNS you if you choose his path. What can be LESS libertarian than that?
Agreed.
But the choice is to enter on Gods terms.
Acts 4:12 "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
People will not be in Hell for being rapists, murderers, child molesters ect. They will be there because they chose to reject Gods only means of escape.
John 3:16-18 "16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned ALREADY, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
John Adams
If it's HIS kingdom, then why wouldn't it be on his terms.
If you are a libertarian and believe in private property rights then you should understand this.
Are you able to walk into people's houses if they lay out the rules in advance and you refuse to heed their requests? No.
Why would this be any different? He's not forcing you. If you WANT in because that's your CHOICE, then yes, you have some things to do.
If you do not WANT to get in then no sweat, right?
Agreed
"Jesus came to FREE MEN. Entry to the kingdom is REQUIRED to be through FREE WILL ONLY if you CHOOSE to believe in him."
Yep, and you have own something before you can give it away, and liberty is a word defining a state of self ownership.
Defending liberty is mans justice. Gods justice will come.
Everytime you write the year on a "peace" of paper
you recognize that Jesus was here :) Did you know Dr. Paul is a Christian? Check out these words form Judge Napolitano talking about his book.
JUDGE NAPOLITANO: I learned some uncomfortable truths. The country was founded on the principle that all men are created equal. Our rights are inalienable and they come from God. Jefferson wedded to the national soul the idea of the natural law, which basically says our rights come from our humanity. We are created by God in His image and likeness and since He is perfectly free we are perfectly free. And that doesn’t depend upon the consent of the government or even the consent of our neighbors. Your right to think as you wish, to say what you think, to write what you say, to travel where you want, your right to be left alone, your right to worship, your right to personal intimacy, these are as natural to you as the fingers on the ends of your hand.
Jesus will always love you man i hope you someday understand this.
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I love Dr. Paul
But I don't care about his christian beliefs. The only historical record that Jesus even existed is written in bible...sorry man...he is a fictional character!
hmmmm
So do you think George Washington is a fictional character as well? I mean after all there is no scientific data on him.
"Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle." -G.W.
What about Samuel Adams was he a fairy tail?
"The rights of the colonists as Christians…may be best understood by reading and carefully studying the institutes of the Great Law Giver and Head of the Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testament."
- Samuel Adams
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