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3 Good Examples of Bible Errancy

- Daniel 12:2 raises the prospect of a third class of people, who will not be resurrected to a glorious afterlife, nor to an inglorious punishment, but will simply stay dead. This is not in keeping with the traditional Christian teaching on such matters, which is based on passages like John 5:28-29

UPDATE: Kudos to tfichter who has succeeded in finding a potentially valid resolution for Daniel 12:2 by using a different original language literal translation than the one I used. "tfichter"'s comment can be found here:
- http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2857934

However, because Gods chosen translators/linguists were apparently unable to correctly translate this verse for modern day Bibles, a red flag needs to be raised, that perhaps Gods original choice of words for this verse was less than perfect. Remember, God claims to have invented the languages and to know the future (this supposedly all-knowing God would therefore have foreseen this ambiguity). And how many of even todays Christians in third world countries could reasonably be expected to search out the correct meaning of this verse? Most of them do not even have access to the Internet. And we still do not know with certainty that tflichter's explanation is the correct one. It's almost as if the Bible was soliciting to receive a black eye here (this seems woefully sloppy).

- The Bible (apparently regardless of which translation we look at) clearly contradicts itself regarding Jesus' last words on the cross:
Luke 23:46 ""Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last."
John 19:30 ""It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit."

Note: There Can Only Be One Final Phrase Uttered. Neither of the above two verses were stated in context to possibly be the second or third to the last phrase uttered by Jesus, but rather the final phrase uttered.

- God's name Yahweh, was given to Abraham (in Genesis), and yet later (in Exodus) was stated to have been kept from Abraham and others:
Genesis 15:7 "And he said to him [Abram], I am Yahweh who brought you out from Ur of the Chaldeans to give you this land to possess."
Exodus 6:3 "I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob [each individually], as God Almighty, but by my name Yahweh I did not make myself known to them."
[The reader can verify the use of the name Yahweh in these verses from the original Hebrew using the online Interlinear translation at http://scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Hebrew_Index.htm ]

Bonus: Christian Bible Scholar Reluctantly Says Jesus Did Not Die On Cross

- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/7849852/Jesus-did-n...


The Positive Message Behind This Post:

Many organized religions, including those stemming from Christianity/The Bible, have misrepresented the most important thing in the universe, which of course is love. Without understanding the true principles of love in the proper context, humanity is helplessly hindered from achieving world peace.

This is why I wrote the article "Sowing The Seeds For A Peace Revolution". It offers the opportunity for the general public to properly understand the truth of this matter. People really ought to read this article in its entirety:

- http://www.dailypaul.com/241312/sowing-the-seeds-for-a-peace...

It is well and good if people wish to offer their two cents regarding the 3+ prospective Bible contradictions discussed throughout this thread. However, MORE THAN A THOUSAND TIMES OF GREATER IMPORTANCE is correctly understanding and applying the true essence of love.

So who then will be the first Christian to acknowledge that to this end I have INDEED spoken the truth?



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Phxarcher87's picture

Hey man

I didn't plan it that way. It's just think its Gods creative way of showing us that every time we write the date down that his son Jesus was here. So on the day of reckoning there will be no excuses.

Jokingly:

Sinner "I had no clue God, I thought you were man made."
God "Well you wrote down the date after Christs death, 26,538 times.
Did you ever stop and think about what that meant?
Sinner " ......No"

Jesus came and shook this world harder than anything we have ever seen. And he will do it again. Don't be blind, just imagine if everyone were doing what Christ instructed us to do.

And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. -Luke 10:27

Do you think Jesus has an bad message?
Do you think the message of liberty has and flaws?

THE CLASS OF CITIZENS WHO PROVIDE AT ONCE THEIR OWN FOOD AND THEIR OWN RAIMENT, MAY BE VIEWED AS THE MOST TRULY INDEPENDENT AND HAPPY.
James Madison

Once again

You can't debate the bible by quoting the bible!!!

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The testimony of someone on trial is considered valid evidence in a court of law, it is not rejected as inadmissible.

Fear

is a healthy respect for an awesome Creator who has all Power at His dispose. That is how I understand Fear of the Lord. I kinda think if we lived by the words of the Bible there would be no rape, murder or infanticide.

The Lord Jesus Christ, or your X, explained to a lawyer:

Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

(The Lawyer in Luke 10 asked who his neighbor was and Jesus told a story...the neighbor, or hero, in the story ended up being a Samaritan...an ethnic group of people that the Jews hated. You may know the story as The Good Samaritan.)

It seems to me that human kind has been unable to practice love. The kind of love that does for someone else what one would do for themselves. The kind of love that Ron Paul got booed at in a debate about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v8qtZ3I5AM . That crowd sounds to me like another crowd that yelled “Crucify Him” when speaking about X…

The Bible says God is Love and that God Loves the World and about the beginning of Wisdom:

• Proverbs 9:10 KJV
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

It also says something else that is something fearful”
• Proverbs 1:7 KJV
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

I didn’t want to add that last verse because it sounds in your face, and I didn't like it, but I felt it would be unfair for me to leave it out. Stray, God loves you. He wants you to know Him. He has provided everything necessary.

I am only replying because I clicked on your title because I recognized it as Scripture. There are many different Lovers and Friends of Liberty. Hopefully we can all be Friends IN Liberty as I truly hope to be yours.

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FEAR

I don't need, nor do I want, to have to fear a god to be a good person. The bible says that we all fall short of the glory of the lord and that we were born in sin. So basically, we are all pieces of sh#t right from the get go....... NOT ME, I'm just as good or better than your god

There are so many things I

There are so many things I would like to say to you to tell you differently about God, but I don’t want to wear out my welcome.

I do want to say my father used to call me a piece of sh#t and also a sh#thead. My God has never said those words to me. My God says “the wages of sin are death, but the gift of God is eternal life thru Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23) My God says he knows the plans he has for me: Plans for good and not for evil. (Jeremiah 29:11)

The truth is that Satan has relegated us to unworthy nothings and plagued our nature with sin. And God, who loves the World, came Himself and took our punishment upon Himself, he who knew no sin became sin for us that we may become the righteousness of God thru Him. (2 Corinthians 5:21)

The Bible is the love story of God bringing man back to himself after Satan stole creation. Because truly we will all stand before God and given an account. (Romans 14:12) God has given everything necessary to our dispose to place us on the right side of judgment, but we are all entitled to our opinion.

I am a Friend of Liberty and hope to be yours as well.

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SteveMT's picture

The problem is not what you say.

The problem is with Solomon who wrote Proverbs 9:10 and a lot more of the Bible. He wrote 3,000 proverbs and 1,000 songs while he was in the midst of 1,000 debaucheries with his 700 wives and 300 concubines. He is not one of my favorite people. Only afterward does he say in Ecclesiastes that "all is vanity and vexation of spirit." Yet, he wrote some of the most beautiful passages in the Bible. How could such an amoral person write this?

Ecclesiastes 3
1To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: 2A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; 3A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; 4A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; 5A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; 6A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; 7A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; 8A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

To answer your

To answer your question...

But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. - Ezekiel 18:24

For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.
And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father.
And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the LORD commanded. - 1 Kings 11:4,6,10

...Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. - Matthew 13:3-9

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. - Matthew 24:13

The LORD is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you. - 2 Chronicles 15:2

But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. - Matthew 10:33

...if we deny him, he also will deny us: - 2 Timothy 2:12

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. - Matthew 7:21-23

Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. - 1 Corinthians 10:21

13 No servant can serve two masters; for either he shall hate the one, and love the other, or else he shall lean to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and riches. - Luke 16

What's Wrong With Contradictions?

As a Christian, I am not saying that I agree with your case that the Bible contains contradictions, because anyone who does honest, deep Biblical study using Biblical hermeneutics will come to understand that the Bible has no contradictions. When passages are taken out of context (as you've done), without appealing to the original language, the audience intended, the style of the author, etc., then you can make any passage in the Bible contradict itself (or any other literary work, for that matter). But that's not really the heart of the issue, as I see it.

My real question is, in terms of your own worldview, RicoCabeza, what makes contradictions a bad thing? If your worldview accepts nothing spiritual or invisible (like God), then how can you make appeals to other invisible entities (like the laws of logic) when you complain that the Bible has contradictions in it? Be mindful of the implications of your own beliefs before you critique another person's belief system.

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You want biblical

You want biblical inconsistencies read the book " Jesus Interrupted" .

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0061173940/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=13...

SteveMT's picture

The ones that are hidden I haven't even gotten too yet.

I cannot get past the contradictions that have been in my face for the past 40 years.

Example:

Who is the most merciful being in the universe?
Answer: Almighty God
What being in the known universe is the most deserving of mercy?
Answer: A baby

Therefore, when the most merciful being in the universe meets the being most deserving of mercy in our known universe, what should happen?
Answer: The most beautiful nurturing form of love in the universe, IMO.

What happens repeatedly in the Bible is something quite different and that is anathema to me. I refuse to believe that Almighty God ever killed one baby much less the thousands that were put to death without mercy at the command of God according to the Bible.

Thank you for a moral lesson on your personal moral beliefs...

In a relativistic world, where God is not omnipotetent or the definition of "good", why would your morality be any better than His or anyone elses.

In other words, your analysis is flawed as you only prove your own point, that your own moral assessment is no better qualitatively than anyone else's and, hence, can and should be ignored.

SteveMT's picture

What are your personal moral beliefs or lack of them?

Is God Not the most merciful being in the universe? It wouldn't make much sense to believe in a Supreme Being who was any less.
Who or what is more deserving of mercy than a baby? I'm making a moral argument all right to make a point. That point is the most extreme differences between 'most merciful' and 'those most deserving of mercy' makes it impossible for 'most merciful' to command the merciless destruction of the 'most deserving of mercy.'

The point is...

...I am in no position to judge you.

By the same token you are in no position to judge me.

But you think, being in no position to judge me, you presume to know God's will?

You are AMAZING!

I've never encountered a more brilliant human being!

SteveMT's picture

We are both in a position to judge the facts.

That is, if they are indeed true.

Supposed facts:
X killed thousands of babies without mercy
X killed thousands of pregnant women without mercy
X killed thousands of men, women, and children without mercy
X killed thousands of animals without mercy
X spared thousands of virgins for use by his minions

Conclusion:
No matter what good things I now told about X, you would still have sufficient information to decide whether X is merciful or not if that was the question put to you. You would, as I would also.

Furthermore if we both know X very well, we now have the alternative to simply reject all of the above facts as false. We understand that this information all comes from dubious hearsay sources and is not valid. That makes for a completely different judgement to be rendered, IMO.

God is love itself, wisdom

God is love itself, wisdom itself, and mercy itself (which is really just universsal love). God neither wills or causes the death of anyone. The Bible is often written according to appearances of reality. An example of an appearance of reality is the daily rising and setting of the sun. To all appearances, it is the sun which moves and rises and sets. We speak of it so, but we understand the reality is different. When bad things happen as written in the Bible, they are often attributed to God in the same vein. The truth is that 'evil' things are permitted (not caused or willed) by God in ordeer to preserve human freedom, but the appearance is that God causes or commands them, and so it is written.

God is love

That's actually the most straight forward argument on this tread! You didn't even try to quote the bible! However, please show me proof of God. It's hard to prove a negative. Without telling me to read some bible verse, I just want proof.

SteveMT's picture

FYI: Those words are a quote from the Bible

1 John 4:8
8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Proof of God is for you to decide for yourself. Take a walk in the forest, have a look at the night sky, or read a biochemistry book.

You can't prove the position of an electron...

...at any given moment, but you certainly do not deny it's presence in the circuit when you turn on your light, do you?

And you call yourself "logical" or a "scientist."

No love for truth.

Whoever downvoted this, shame on you. Your only ecuse is ignorance, but then you should remain silent.

SteveMT's picture

That wasn't me.

In fact I'm voting you back up again.

I was going to say in response to your comment that somethings seem to be allowed while others are not. It's all subjective and quite whimsical at times. Consistency is not there, IMO.

The requirement of free will is consistent.

If that is not apparent to you throughout the bible then truly your eyes are closed or you have trouble with reading comprehension (or you haven't actually read it.)

What can be more libertarian than the REQUIREMENT of free will?

free will

Do I have free will not to believe in god and not be sentenced to burn in HELL for eternally?

Pascal's Wager, eh?

Well, if you're right, then it's irrelevant.

And if you're wrong, then you're correct, you'll have a tough row to hoe, I guess.

But of course you can't be wrong. Or can you?

It's His kingdom, not yours. If you chose not to enter, that's you're own free will.

So you want free will with no consequences? Sorry, that's not how the world works, even down here on humble ole' earth.

RELIGION IS SLAVERY

Religion is slavery

SteveMT's picture

Libertarian indeed. Do you know due process?

People were slaughtered [ by God?] without even being charged with breaking any laws both in the Old Testament and in the New. By contrast, those that did break the laws at that time were given due process and even rewarded in some cases by God. Both groups had free will, which makes that irrelevant. The penalties were subjectively and not consistently applied.

I'm Confused - Are You Describing The Bible Or Our Government?

;-)

[makes me wonder sometimes who really wrote this stuff]

- AMAZING PHOTO delineating where UNRESTRAINED CAPITALISM has taken us: http://www.rense.com/general96/whatare.html
- "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."-- Mohandas Gandhi