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Rand Paul: We Should Let Dems Raise Taxes And Then Let Them Own It

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Then we can elect small government advocates to

GOP, if the PTB in the GOP will permit it. They may allow a few, but without either a revolution or revival of principles, we will still have a bloated, statist oligarchy.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

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Mind boggling

You can't easily find someone hating taxes as much as I do.

It's mind boggling we, ESPECIALLY WE, IN THIS COUNTRY - the United States of America - even have to cope with such statements from someone like Rand.

Yet, I cannot blame him. Blame the situation.

Blame the Fed. The Bush's. The Clinton's. Blame Obama.

But first and foremost : blame Congress AND the Supreme Court !

The latter REALLY are the DESTROYERS of this country.

Rent seekers WHO DIDN'T even do the job the People PAY THEM for !

Let us OPT OUT, damn it !

Let us send a signal, first :



"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius


His statement is the epitomy of "talking out of both sides of your mouth." He says a tax increase is a bad idea and would devastate the economy, then promotes letting the democrats raise taxes -- so that the democrats will look bad, and the GOP will look...less bad??? Hey Rand, this strategy is really really old, and it's what makes both wings of the one party system look bad. If the GOP goes along with raising taxes, they'll be equally responsible for the outcome.

Just get together with other rebels right and left and cut the D

Get together with other rebels Left and Right and cut the Defense Budget At first 30% then 10% more each month the war continues

More suggestions on an alternative counter budget proposes at

In Philly PA RichardKanePA

You can't be serious

I thought we'd gotten over the insults based on personalities, and come to deal with the issues. Rand can play politics all he wants, it's his career at stake, but if your going to tell me that what he suggests is some form of creditable, responsible strategy to deal with the impending economic crisis, and further the cause of liberty, then your totally misguided.

As someone suggested recently, if his name was Jack Mundane, you'd hold a different view.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

Rand bashers

are pathetic. this guy is the closest you will ever come to any hope of changing the direction of this country at the top and yet you can't see it. I don't like the 2 party system at all but geez look at the scenery around you! You won't be taken seriously.

Even Ron Paul said whenever they asked him why he stays in the Republican party, that he wants people to listen and take him seriously that's why he stays. He was a Republican for most of his political career. Don't let the application of labels detract from what is really important. Rand is getting liberty minded ideas out into the mainstream at an alarming rate.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

Lol it's not even worth it my friend

Let them go, their idea of a good politician is a standard that couldn't even be met in a fairytale.

Earth shattering solution

Why don't we just let them push the nation off the edge, so we don't get any of the blame..
You've come far pilgrim.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

Well partisan is as partisan does

Let them own it....well that sounds a lot different from historical partisanship in exactly no way. Finger pointing between the nestlings. The people lose, our side wins! In your face democrats! BOOYA! High five!


Two wings of the same shibit bibird. It took a stink boat with two paddles to get us up this creek. And guess where we are now?

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

The problem is that democrats never "own" anything

They will scare up some scapegoat to divert attention away from themselves and their horrendous policies. Republicans aren't much different, if at all.

WE are going to own whatever comes out of this mess, regardless of whether or not the Republicans negotiate with Team Obama.

Time to dump them all IMO>


Like the saying goes...

"Give them enough rope and they will hang themselves."

"Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!"- Homer Simpson


It seems like Rand-hating has taken on a life of its own here. Please do me a favor in the future before you unload on this man. Pretend his name is Joe Blow and that he has no affiliation with Ron Paul. He is not his father. I will never admire him the way I admire his father. That said, I will not likely ever admire many people as much as I admire his father. I hope enough of us are free-thinking enough to not get carried away by the tide of anti-Rand sentiment at our favorite website. No one is asking you to fight for this man the way many of you have fought for his father.

Regarding this strategy, I like it. If we are all as confident as we are that nothing can be done to avert fiscal disaster, why not let those who deserve full credit get full credit? Instead of being "obstructionist" and getting run out of dodge by their peers as is beginning to happen to most defenders of liberty in Congress, I would prefer these folks to opt out. Remember, Obama's economy is not his fault because the republicans have had it out for him and blocked everything he tried to do. If the people want to drive off the cliff (Aside: unlike the prevailing rhetoric and branding, I consider driving over the fiscal cliff to be the exact opposite of what the pundits consider it to be. Have you noticed that they have packaged deficit reduction and an economic correction as "going over the fiscal cliff"?) let us give them what they want. I, for one, will be as ready as I can be. Perhaps it would be better to recover from the ashes than to keep fighting an out-of-control fire.

Unlearning and self-teaching since 2008. Thanks, Dr. Paul!

Can I do this and

not pay taxes at 53% in CA too without getting thrown in jail?.. *sigh* I feel like my nuts are in a vice.

Why does that sound like...

"Don't worry, the Supreme Court will declare Obamacare 'unconstitutional"?

In a way it did, SCOTUS said

In a way it did, SCOTUS said Congress does not have the power to force people to buy insurance by way of the commerce clause, but they do have the power to tax people for not buying health insurance.

I would like to pose a

I would like to pose a question. If Rand is going about this the right way, then why have we never seen his father use this type of strategy. Obviously, because his father is much more principled. We need people in Washington who aren't willing to play these games of the left and right, and stand firmly on principle. Rand, is obviously playing the game. Who's side he's on is questionable, but it doesn't really matter. He should take some pointers from his father and vote based on the principles we hold dearly, not based on some political strategy. Just because something is inevitable doesn't mean you shouldn't fight it with everything you have! I would like to give props to Justin Amash for standing much more firmly on our Liberty platform than Rand.

"I will not submit to authority of man. I'm alive, I'm awake, this is more than I can take." -Jordan Page

A few days ago I thought of a

A few days ago I thought of a similar thing to what Rand is saying, tell me what you think about this.

How about convincing enough House Republicans (especially the big government ones who need to be primaried and replaced in 2014) to go along with whatever tax increase Democrats in the Senate pass so that it passes the House as well? You only need about 25 Rs to vote with all of the Ds to pass it on a majority vote if Boehner lets it get a vote.

Many of them will be willing to "take one for the team" and "put country and party" over literal self-interest. Some are already moving in that direction so it isn't that difficult to give them a little push to get the numbers needed.

This will take away the liberal Democrats' (only) argument of blaming fiscal conservatives for "obstructionism", allowing the public to actually pay some attention to the bad policies that have been enacted. Once the consequences of the tax hike play out over the next year, our liberty candidates will have leverage in the Republican 2014 primaries against the big gov't Rs in Congress.

If we really put our money where our mouth is right now, we should be in better financial condition in 2014 to fund a primary campaign against the incumbents than many run-of-the-mill Republicans will be, if we're already preparing for another recession like I hope we all are.

Aye Aye

The average voter only pays attention when they feel the pain personally. Let them have their tax increase, but make them own it. In January when everyone sees 100 bucks less in their paycheck because of the Democrats, and the Deficit is still over 1T at the end of the year even the dumkofs will have figured it out. It may not be the correct thing to do from a purity position, but it is great politics....If you can make the tax raisers own it.

Josh Brueggen
Jack of all Trades
Precinct Commiteeman Precinct 5 Rock Island Co Illinois

Compromise is not possible

Rand is right.

If tax increases will damage the economy, which will exacerbate the government's budget problems, then the Republicans cannot vote for any tax increase without becoming culpable for the damage they will do.

Rather than pretending that the Republicans are doing us all a favor by reducing the amount of the increase, they need to separate themselves from the hypocrosy of 'compromise.' Evil and wrong in this case is clear....there is no grey area here.

Skilled negotiators do NOT settle for a bad deal...they get up and walk out of the room. Sometimes deadlocking is needed to reset expectations.

Tax elimination and cut military spending.


this video is on

this video is on DrudgeReport, great to see Rand Paul is asked for his opinions.

If democrats raise taxes

Then only registered democrat voters should pay it.
It is what they want, don't force your will on others.
Oh, wait that is why they are called democrats, to force others....

that's a little too partisan,

that's a little too partisan, collectivizing the registered democrats into one bunch of willing taxpayers. sometimes a democrat is much more liberty minded than anyone else on the ballot, so sometimes registering democrat is the only reasonable option if you want to vote. i have a feeling a lot of us registered republican in our states to vote for ron paul, but i wouldn't want to compel everyone to be taxed for the wars bush started or be willing to be spied upon by the police state bush expanded because they registered republican.

idiotic strategy. Hey, lets

idiotic strategy. Hey, lets let Obamacare destroy our economy and let them "own it" too! I think his heart is in the right place but he's really not that bright of a guy, he reminds me of some of the bright eyed naive guys I saw in the college republicans.

Ventura 2012

yep, & that's another big difference

between father and son. ron paul is brilliant. rand paul, not so much.

dude, sadly this is how

dude, sadly this is how politics works and it seems like you have a very limited capacity of understanding this fact. You can't seem to understand that politics, try to imagine it's a bit more complex then settling an argument about who's next in line to buy McNuggets at McDonads, or that in politics you can't act like in your family where you simply slap your wife and everybody will do as you wish.
Being the son of Ron Paul, I fully trust Rand Paul, you should also because so far he did nothing wrong and he's working hard to educate the politicians and the public.

You're assuming what you're

You're assuming what you're trying to prove. That some mythical "politics" has value aside from the policies it creates. Personally, I'd rather have lower taxes than have more sellout Republicans elected.

Ventura 2012

Not really

It is an even more idiotic strategy to negotiate the tax increases down, so when the economy heads back into a recession, the Democrats can claim it is because of the Republicans not letting them raise taxes as much as Democrats would have liked. Taxes are going to increase, it would be a better strategy to allow the Democrats to implement their strategy 100% so they are fully responsible for any consequences that result.

Is the point to have lower

Is the point to have lower taxes or more Republicans elected? Hey, maybe we should have a Reichstag fire to elect more Republicans.

Ventura 2012

Well considering a majority of the country

has adopted the ideology that lowering taxes is bad for the economy, neither one of your alternatives is possible at the moment.