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UPDATE 3: Rand Paul Explains NDAA Vote & Justin Amash Responds

https://www.facebook.com/notes/rand-paul/explanation-of-ndaa...

I have noticed that many are confused by my vote for NDAA. Please allow me to explain.

First, we should be clear about what the bill is. NDAA is the yearly defense authorization bill. It’s primary function is to specify which programs can and can't be funded within the Pentagon and throughout the military. It is not the bill that spends the money—that comes later in an appropriations bill.

Because I think we should spend less, I will offer amendments to cut spending. I will likely vote against the final spending bill. This wasn't it.

This bill also isn’t about indefinite detention. This year's bill did not contain the authorization for indefinite detention.

That provision was in last year's NDAA bill.

The bill this year contained the amendment I supported which sharply limited the detention power, and eliminated it entirely for American citizens in the US. While it is only a partial victory, it was a big victory. Particularly compared to what passed last year. Even so, I will continue to fight to protect anyone who could possibly be indefinitely detained.

I would never vote for any bill, anywhere, that I believed enhanced the government's power to abridge your rights and detain people. This goes against every principle I hold dear and the Constitution I took an oath to uphold and protect.

Government power and the many associated abuses have been piling up for years. We will not win all our liberties back at once. But we did win one battle this year, and we should be pleased that we did while also realizing the fight is really just getting started.

I hope you will keep fighting alongside me.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/rand-paul/explanation-of-ndaa...

UPDATE:

Justin Amash's response via Facebook:

Senator Rand Paul is correct in his description of the 2013 NDAA. It's the 2012 NDAA (not 2013) that authorizes indefinite detention without charge or trial. There's much more to be done to protect our rights and undo the harm of the 2012 NDAA (which doesn't expire), but thanks to the efforts of United States Senator Mike Lee and Sen. Paul, we are making significant progress in (re-)advancing the principle that all people in the United States have a constitutionally protected right to full due process.

UPDATE 2:

From my Oklahoman friend of Liberty QFish of the Liberty Live Stream Team:

I asked him this question: "Would the Feinstein-Lee amendment that Sen. Paul voted for be sufficient for this 2013 NDAA? I know you had come out against this amendment initially, so was curious what you would say about that?"

Rep. Amash answered with: "Qadoshyah, I believe we need more than the Feinstein amendment. I understand their logic, but I disagree that it is sufficient because I have a different interpretation of the 2012 NDAA. They still made significant progress in advancing the cause and putting some protections in law."

UPDATE 3:

Here's my thought process on this in pictures: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=502351526465633&set=...

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Appreciate it.

It is nice to know there are some unwavering-men amongst all the hackery, goofiness and capitulation.

Spot on. Politics. Who is

Spot on. Politics. Who is going to give us more bang for the buck? Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in a dream world.

Political whores..

That's all you people are lol

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What will you think of Ron

What will you think of Ron when he endorces Rand in 16?

I wouldn't be so sure that he would.

Wouldn't that shut you whores up if he didn't lol.

In the end, it wouldn't matter what Dr.Paul did.. Doesn't means I would do the same. That's what individualism means sport.

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Will Ron be a traitor when he

Will Ron be a traitor when he endorces Rand?

Answered above.

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First of all...Out of line

First of all...Out of line buddy.

Second, we will never get anywhere turning our backs on our best allies. Rand, Amash, just to name a couple. You seem to forget that these guys are republicans and they joined the senate and congress because they believe we need SOME government. And while no government will ever be perfect, these guys are fighting in the front and are our best allies.

You are a fool. Stay out of politics.

Pssst... nobody is turning their backs.. You are not the same as

me.. There is no "we".. There is only the constitution and the principles it puts forth. Get on board or take a hike, jackass.

I'm all for "allies" but I will not put one of them up for the presidency. They must however prove their worth past a wink and a nod.

You are the fool for blowing those that would piss in your face if they got a chance and they will.

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There are ways to disagree

There are ways to disagree without being vulgar. Your behavior discredits you.

Those are one of my ways of disagreeing

if you don't like it.. don't say anything or keep it up.. Your choice as is mine to say what's on my mind.

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I join a forum in hopes to

I join a forum in hopes to have mature discussion. I like a friendly debate. You seem to only want to harass people with opposing veiws. Completely unproductive.

It just so happens I don't find much of your stance productive

either..

Oh and I iz sorry masssa for dem opposing views harassin you.

lol what a tard.

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Listen here kid. Quit acting

Listen here kid. Quit acting like a punk. I highly doubt you would talk this way to my face. Nobody is that rude in person. You are a weasel and nothing more.

The idea is to grow the movement by teaching and educating. If this is how you treat people than you are doing no good for the movement and perhaps politics isnt your thing. Learn some respect and in the mean time step aside and let the adults do the work.

Go fuck yourself sally.

While trying to pull your nose out of Rands nutsack, if you can. Unknownloser.

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Really? Is that necessary?

Really? Is that necessary? Very mature. Your parents must be proud. Is that how you talk to your mother? Did you ever have to eat soap as a child?

What a hypocritical asstard

What's the matter.. you can't take it when it's handed to you?

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obvious troll is obvious

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"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

True but you didn't need to out yourself

it's obvious of course.

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File 13'd

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Endorsing is like telling the

Endorsing is like telling the girl you picked up at the bar that she's gorgeous. A meaningless gesture benefiting only the person making it.

It means you are a LIAR

if you say you endorse and you don't mean it.

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And?

What do you think politics is?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Part of Dr.Paul's message that you supposedly

endorsed was bringing back morality to these issues. unless you lied about that lol.. which is possible seeing how you've commented on it.

So maybe, since you have no problem lying, you're not supporting Liberty at all. You surely don't from my standpoint.

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That and a dollar will get you a junior cheeseburger

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"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

My nuts and your mouth will get you a hairy tongue

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You sure do like...

...homoerotic imagery don't you?

OMG, I figured it out. You're in love with Rand Paul, but you can't admit it, so you compensate by attacking him. LOLOLOL

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

It's just fitting when I think of some of you neocons

I can't help but think those things because there is nothing I would like more than to give you all a good fucking with the business end of a rifle. :)

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but he doesn't break promises

but he doesn't break promises

Compromise

I have come to hate this word more then any other. It is the root of all the evil we are faced with today. Ron Paul is well aware of this fact, as is Rand. This battle is not just getting started, it's been going on for 70+ years. The truth is we are losing big time. Thirty years in Congress and the boss admits he accomplished little. Rand is not the man to pick up the sword and lead as his father did. That is my believe, sorry to say.

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