Help, my husband thinks I'm crazy!
Submitted by AngieDfromAL on Sat, 12/08/2012 - 04:00Lately it seems as if my husband thinks I have gone off the deep end. He is a firm believer in personal liberty, but for some reason he refuses to consider that our government is capable of allowing (or staging) things to happen in order to deprive us of said liberties.
He absolutely refuses to believe that FDR had any idea that there was going to be an attack on Pearl Harbor and actually believes that IF building 7 was a controlled demolition then it must have been rigged up AFTER WTC 1 & 2 were struck because it needed to be brought down to avoid more casualties.
He says there is no definitive proof to the contrary and without that it's ridiculous to assume that our government would allow those types of things to happen. Anytime I mention something that is contrary to what the official story is on almost anything (even Lincoln, the USS Liberty, etc.) we seem to end up in a fight with him acting as if I sould be wearing a tin foil hat and living in a fallout shelter. How do you guys handle these things with your significant other?
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One question for him
"Why was the WTC crime scene so quickly clear out before any investigation was even started?"
not the usual process for the FBI. They take months piecing together crashed planes. But not this time.
Why?
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Romney is a detour on the way to liberty, anyone else is a shorter path, win or lose.
Don't force it
Coming to the political conclusions you've both come to is hard enough in the face of so much programming; if he is not ready - and he may never be - to see the entire foundation of his psychological house crumble on itself, you shouldn't try to demolish it. I've struggled with this a great deal. Keep asking questions, but don't ask them in a leading or declaratory manner. Don't "put him on the stand."
If it turns out that he will always think you're crazy, remember that the majority of people out there think that the points on which you agree make you both crazy. Question yourself and your motivations. Why do you personally need to be right about your "alternative" theories? Do you require the agreement of others to validate your position? I know that it feels good and is entirely natural, but as tough as it might be to turn inward at times and keep things to yourself, isn't that easier than fighting with the love of your life? Isn't your relationship worth it? If not, then you may wish to reconsider your marriage... I suspect that, like so many of us, you'll find a way to make it great. Good luck! And remember, you're fighting for the amazing gift that is a life of freedom; don't take the joy out of the gift... It will not be worth the fight!
Unlearning and self-teaching since 2008. Thanks, Dr. Paul!
even the harvard medical
even the harvard medical journal says fluoride is bad now.
lawrence
okc
i would show him the interview with the governor of oklahoma immediately after the okc bombing. he stated on tv that morning that the bomb squad was removing bombs from the inside of the building that didn't detonate. also there was an atf office in that building and none of them reported for work that morning. none of them enrolled there children in childcare that morning either. there was a few good documentaries on google video that was pretty clear cut.
also fdr's record on ww2 was he wanted the us to be attacked so we could go to war he could send troops otherwise he couldn't due to the fact he campaigned against sending american troops to foreign lands.
ps
we still didn't pay for the debt we took on for ww1 interest only and keep rolling the debt over
Please watch that interview
The interview with the Governor directly contradicts what the media had said for years after the bombing.
It's as simple as rawhead said: none of the ATF personnel were at work....9am....on a Monday morning. Nor did they enroll their children.
Lima-1, out.
If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.
tell them about g.m.o. grass
tell them about g.m.o. grass that makes cyanide, this is from c.b.s, bu the infowars is just as good.
tp://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57459357/grass-linked-to-texas-cattle-deaths/
lawrence
the report now says it's not GMO
but 'hybrid' grass.
"Tifton 85 is a cross between a bermudagrass [Cynodon dactylon, specifically cv. Tift 292 (an armyworm resistant plant introduction in the USDA-ARS collection)] and a closely related Cynodon species called stargrass [Cynodon nlemfuensis, specifically cv. Tifton 68 (highly digestible, but cold susceptible). Crosses were made by placing inflorescences (the day before pollen shed) of each parent in a beaker of water. The inflorescences were covered with a glassine bag to control pollination. Each day, thereafter, bag and inflorescences were thumped to distribute pollen. Seeds were collected and those were germinated in the greenhouse and subsequently transplanted in the field. Plants with great potential were increased and selected to be tested in replicated plots and under grazing. No extraordinary tools or biotechnology tools were used in this process."
http://agricultureproud.com/2012/06/27/tifton-85-bermuda-is-...
Thought you should know. I hate GMOs and believe we must keep our commentary accurate.
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison
He's handicapped. Show him this................
"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." - J. Edgar Hoover
Then go to Quotes at www.trueworldhistory.info
and read it ALL.
Remember this quote. "You
Remember this quote.
"You cannot by reasoning correct a man of an ill opinion which by reason he never acquired."
Presenting compelling evidence may give you a feeling of satisfaction, but it does not work. You have to ask philosophical questions that will plant a seed in their mind, and check back next season to see if anything happened.
I say it very often that you
I say it very often that you MUST ask questions that compel people to think...
When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!
Focus on Freedom
I remember Ron saying something along the lines of, "the conspiracies are too big for me to understand, so I prefer to focus on the freedom message." and probably went on to say, "if you understand freedom then it's not the conspiracy that's important but what is important is to continue to follow the constitution." or something along those lines.
It was a bit of a question dodger, but it works.
I couldn't find the actual quote. Does anyone else remember him saying this?
The founders would be ashamed at us for what we are putting up with.
Not sure about the tin hat but,
I think we ALL should be living in (or at least near OUR own) Fallout Shelter.
My wife's the same
And I think she's lucky to have someone who's not "plugged into the Matrix" as her husband. Even if she doesn't even know it. She lives a life of ignorant bliss I myself wished was real. And to her it is. I've learned to appreciate that I have "an escape" back to those blissful ways with her anytime I want.
I sometimes tell her about something that's on the news which may allow me to elaborate a little with those "crazy" points she's not usually open to hearing. Try that sometime. There will be more and more evidence to many of these "theories" as time goes on and they'll eventually be faced with it. People who are still "asleep" need us more than they know. It's certainly not easy when it's your spouse or loved one, but it is what it is. And it's not their fault.
I like to remember this saying I heard somewhere recently, "I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm just well informed." It helps in those tense discussions even if you're just saying it to yourself.
We're undergoing changes on many levels and they won't be easy, but we're all in it together.
“The lips of Wisdom are closed except to the ears of Understanding.”—The Kybalion
"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Has He
read this post? Hah!
skippy
I'm in the same boat as you and it sucks!
I like to remind people that congress has a 90% disapproval rating. Congress is either negligent or criminal. Either way, why would you trust them with your money, health, or anything else?
My husband thinks if there was a big conspiracy that it would be impossible to keep it a secret. So I say there are millions of people talking about it, whistle blowers are everywhere, but they aren't on msm. So then he says that Alex Jones is just a fearmonger and is full of bs (kills the messenger). Vaccinating our kids is the one issue we can't ignore. We send information back and forth, but so far, are unable to convince the other.
I pray for the day that his faith in the system is broken. It will help our marriage.
Maybe you've done enough and the rest of his awakening has to come from somewhere else in his own time. I can't really give you any advice because I have no idea what to do.
Ask Him
if he thinks schools would ever put kids in solitary confinement chambers or padded cells and when he says "no way" then show him THIS! http://www.infowars.com/school-places-unruly-kids-in-solitar... It's a start he can't ignore or debate away.
skippy
I'm afraid it may be a lost cause...at least for now
I'm lucky in that my husband and I are on the same page. Our other family members (save one) however are not. No amount of convincing has worked. No matter what approach we have tried, nothing has worked. We've approached them on small subjects, gently. We've approached them with large subjects and loads of evidence. We've shown video's, interviews, and documents, but all to no avail.
I've come to realize that you can't reach someone who doesn't want to be reached. You have to understand that some of us are limited by fear. It just may be that your husband can't handle the idea that the government could have been so corrupt for such a long of time. Most of us grew up with a sense of security in our form of government and reasonable amount of trust for the people who run it. The idea that there would be those that would kill a multitude of their own people to further a political agenda, that our government is over run, and that it's rampant with treasonous individuals is too much for a lot of people to take. It's simply too overwhelming and the idea overcomes people with a feeling of panic and even hopelessness.
Bottom line, people would rather deny the truth and live on in a false security than to face the reality we live in. In fact they would rather fight you and call you names than to consider the info you give them. Just as there are those who can't face facts, there are others like you who can't turn away from them. I'm one of those. I want to turn away but I simply can't.
So what can you do? Nothing. You can stand your ground and not let him call you crazy but you can also leave him be the way he wants to be. There may come a day that a switch gets turned on within him and he will be able to hear the evidence. Until that time, the more you try to reach him the more he will struggle not to hear it.
It's like that old fable of the wind and the sun in a contest to get a man to take off his coat. The harder the wind blows the tighter the man holds onto his coat. Only the passive sun by shining bright was able to let the man decide for himself to remove his own coat.
Good luck to you.
False Flag
Whether he chooses to believe or not is irrelevant. There are countless online sources which meticulously document FDR's instigation of Pearl Harbor. To start, have him read the following article from Justin Raimondo:
http://www.dailypaul.com/265593/justin-raimondo-pearl-harbor...
"Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors, but today we kneel only to truth." - Kahlil Gibran
Thank you guys
For all of your responses! I don't think my concern is that he doesn't believe those things yet so much as it is that I want to be able to discuss what concerns me with him but it never seems to end well when I do.
I'm going to get him to watch some of these vids with me and look into some of the books, too.
Thanks again!!
Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie
I randomly just came across this video
Thought it sort of fit in here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urpztZa1jDY
“The lips of Wisdom are closed except to the ears of Understanding.”—The Kybalion
"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Do you think it may be your delivery of the subject?
What I mean is, do you think your approach to it is something he finds uncomfortable? I know my wife doesn't respond well when I get to intense about it. I disguise it with humour and often just laugh at the craziness as I throw in some of the details but I keep it light.
“The lips of Wisdom are closed except to the ears of Understanding.”—The Kybalion
"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Not necessarily
At least not totally... I usually start with "did you realize..." or "have you read anything about..." But I do get frustrated and defensive when he doesn't believe what I say. I think that's due to the fact that I trust him completely and expect the same in return... I know this situation is a little different and he doesn't think I am intentionally lying to him (in other words he realizes that I am convinced what I'm saying is either fact or there is strong evidence to support it) but I can't help but to feel hurt by his immediate dismissal of whatever it is I am saying as "conspiracy. "
Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie
I know 100% what you mean
My wife responds in the same way and I used to feel as you do as well. The only thing I can attribute this situation to is their cognitive dissonance:
http://tinyurl.com/baelqpz
So what do I do about this? Well, nothing. I have learned that I cannot force her to break down her belief system. No one forced it on me, it was something that I chose to face and pursue accepting whatever dissonance I had to work through in the process.
jg10289 brought up a good point in the comments above; don't put him on the stand. When you ask, "did you realize..." or "have you read anything about..." that automatically triggers a defence in him and you very well know the answer to those questions. What I meant by adding humour is something like, "Haha omg this crazy politician said..." or "These people are nut jobs, they all need hugs, listen to this..." The less "threatening" the opening, the easier the rest of the conversation may go.
Your frustration and defensiveness, however warranted, may only add to his discomfort. My wife expresses her emotional discomfort very clearly, perhaps your husband just does a better job of putting a "tough" shield around his emotions and what comes out seems like a dismissal of what your saying. But it's not. It's a dismissal or defence over his "reality" and beliefs.
You know you're not crazy and you're not alone in knowing what is really going on in the world. Connect with like minded people (like you're doing here) and just soften or reduce the amount of "new" information your husband should take in. When (if) the SHTF, you'll know what's going on and he will have you there to fill him in when he has no other choice but to face his reality but he'll have his wife to help him through.
It's not easy being "us" and no one said it would be. All we can do is take it one day at a time and adjust our delivery of info to our loved ones in ways that they can receive. But we must also find the strength to admit that the best delivery may be to say nothing at all.
“The lips of Wisdom are closed except to the ears of Understanding.”—The Kybalion
"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Let's ask ourselves a question.......
Maybe in asking some questions, we can find an answer?
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Why do we find it relevant that people wake up?
Why do we go thru (sometimes great) attempts to get others to look?
Why do we care?
Does it really matter?
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Maybe in being able to point these kind of things out (articulate) we can get a little further?
All EVIL is being done in the guise of "Some people being better than others." Because: Some ainmals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-
What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks
Yes, and : what is even worse than HATE ?
Yes, and :
What is even worse than HATE ?
Could that be indifference ? http://www.dailypaul.com/253384/war-child
I'm very sorry if it's hard to watch. But that's WHAT it is.
All along in the 20th century AND ongoing in the 21st. That one of the iPhone.
"Bear."
My name's pronounced like "see real". Its root is "Lord".
"The demand of a great people is always at the scale of its most serious misfortunes." --De Gaulle
http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty
Interesting you bring this
Interesting you bring this up. I had posted the Admiral Kimmel video clip on Facebook today and mentioned the fact that I believed that FDR did have information that Pearl Harbor would be attacked but I didn't have the source to confirm it. A former senate candidate (Ron Paul supporter and very intelligent I might add) from my district made a comment publicly that it wasn't just heresay; that there were documents that proved FDR could've contacted Pearl Harbor before the attack. I also had a veteran friend who said Patton warned them that they shouldn't have so many ships in one harbor. Maybe friends on this thread can give you some links to these sources. I don't know them right off but would be happy to see them myself.
chennault was bombing the
chennault was bombing the japanese at least 6 months before the japanese bombed pearl harbor. but they were called "mercenaries".
lawrence
Well, maybe you are.
Your hobby, not his.
But it sounds like all you want for Christmas is the truth. If you really want to push it I recommend the book The Biggest Con. A good read for a guy. Satisfaction guaranteed.
If he thinks that's bad......
How has he been able to deal with the Twinkie shortage?
I mean, the TV tells me that that's what is the real BIG issue is these daze and that's all were supposed to think about and talk about.
Blinders are for horses......
Eh, I'll stop now before I say some things I might regret, (but probably wouldn't).....
All EVIL is being done in the guise of "Some people being better than others." Because: Some ainmals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-
What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks
Have him watch
America freedom to fascism