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Help, my husband thinks I'm crazy!

Lately it seems as if my husband thinks I have gone off the deep end. He is a firm believer in personal liberty, but for some reason he refuses to consider that our government is capable of allowing (or staging) things to happen in order to deprive us of said liberties.

He absolutely refuses to believe that FDR had any idea that there was going to be an attack on Pearl Harbor and actually believes that IF building 7 was a controlled demolition then it must have been rigged up AFTER WTC 1 & 2 were struck because it needed to be brought down to avoid more casualties.

He says there is no definitive proof to the contrary and without that it's ridiculous to assume that our government would allow those types of things to happen. Anytime I mention something that is contrary to what the official story is on almost anything (even Lincoln, the USS Liberty, etc.) we seem to end up in a fight with him acting as if I sould be wearing a tin foil hat and living in a fallout shelter. How do you guys handle these things with your significant other?

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Coincidence and the "Significance Dial"

I've met people who have their "significance dial" turned up too high.

They're like kittens who have never been outside before, and freak out at the wind making things move. I suspect this condition is hormonal, and certainly biological. It can be useful to have super-suspicious people in a group so that when aliens approach, not everyone runs out to welcome them.

But those who can't believe in coincidence are insane. I have piles of papers on my desk, the sun is shining, the light on my modem is blinking, I need to get something to eat, there are birds chirping, thousands of traffic signals just turned red, and the sun is setting, and that's only some of the coincidences on this planet at this time.

The trick is to pick out which of these is more than coincidence, and whether it's significant and useful to notice. The vast bulk of data is useless.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

some people don't want to know--

or can't handle it. Not everyone who wants to know is necessarily stronger than those who don't want to know--

sometimes *we* pay a high price for knowledge.

If a person knows a person or loved a person who was in WWII, he/she may not want to believe that that person fought 'in vain'. Well, most of what takes place in this life is 'in vain', and just because someone you loved/love was in a wrongful war doesn't mean that everything about them is null and void--

it's hard to live a non-corrupt life surrounded by corruption, and few can do it, if any.

Accepting our own humanity and our capacity to make mistakes or love people who make mistakes is really an important thing to do. Continuing to believe that anything that someone you love (or care about) could never be involved in anything rotten . . .

is something many people do. Getting past that is an important step in personal growth.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Malice or Incompetence?

I like the many forms of this sentiment: "Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence."

It's hardly rare to find incompetence in government systems. Add that to what I call "spontaneous conspiracy" and you can have the appearance of someone at work doing Evil.

"Spontaneous conspiracy" is where individuals act in their own interests in a setting where the culture punishes people for the actions of others so that the motive to deflect blame is strong, and everyone simply acts to avoid being picked out as the scapegoat when something happens, i.e., they appear to conspire to create a coverup.

They may not actually be conspiring to do the thing, but may be covering it up, with or without conspiring.

Questions to ask yourself:
If I find proof of the truth, will it convince everyone?
Will it change the world for the better?
How much time and effort is it worth to "prove" the truth?
Can I "prove" the truth by trusting the work of others?
Are they quoting each other? Did they do the work? Are they reliable and experienced?
Of all the quests and activism I could be doing, why should it be this one?

Often, I figure I'll leave the distant "conspiracy theory" battles to whistle-blowers and investigators closer to the problem, and instead, look around me for problems I can solve closer to home.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

Make a deal

If he can read the book "Day of Infamy" and still believe Pearl Harbor wasn't a set up, then you won't bring it up again. There is no reasoning with him.
Some people just don't want to know. Shaking what they "know" is too uncomfortable for them, even if it is true and helps make other "odd" information make sense.

My wife IS crazy. She checks

My wife IS crazy.
She checks out every conspiracy theory.
When we first met (2004) I was pimping for Brown Brothers Harriman Co. (One of the original private share holders of the Federal Reserve)
I didn't know it was involved in the FED. I knew it was very powerful money. I always got moved around in a black limo to and from the airport.
So my wife who was a former VP with a global chemical company for 23 years comes along and steals my heart.

She told me the IRS was a private corporation incorporated in Puerto Rico.
Strike one.
Then she told me the Federal Reserve Bank was a private (not federal) corporation.
Strike two!
Then she starts telling me about Bretton Woods...

It's been 10 very interesting years.

surely he is aware of some truths

Surely he knows that our government slaughtered millions of native American people, or that we put Japanese people into internment camps during WWII. If he accepts that as truth, ask him if he is willing to accept that such things are more easily done if whitewashed afterward. Then ask him if it is still easier to do such things without them being public knowledge.

Believing that your government does such terrible things is a big leap off a steep cliff. There is no going back. Right now, he isn't willing to jump because he is nowhere near the cliff and doesn't even see it. You have to get him to walk closer to the edge first and peer over.


Every now and then you want to avoid an issue entirely.

My woman knows exactly what I'm doing, for the most part she agrees, she's just sick of it. Not only that, the kids are past the point where they eyeroll and puke at the mention of the name of Ron Paul, they just walk away and engage in other pursuits.

My objective from here is to simply have relationship with them if possible.

Most of those who think so actually don't and most of those who think sew actually rip.

Yes, you have to dial it to a level

that the rest of your loved ones will tolerate... or you might end up with new loved ones.

have him watch

Alex Jones's movie "terrorstorm" there are plenty of examples of state sponsored terrorism in it.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
- Ron Paul

Just agree

To disagree on some subjects . Would either one of your thoughts and feelings on such matters add one day to either of your life on earth? Enjoy your spouse and the weather today . Its the only spouse and weather you have today. 88 degrees in Nashville today on May 5 2014.Wife and I will maybe have a Margarita on the rocks today. Outside on the back porch. OLE.OLE

Money talks and dogs bark

I know how you feel...

wife is an Environmental Planner, Step-Dad is retired Air Force U2 program, Mom Retired Fed Gov/Homeland Security....

wtf :(

*to my wife's credit, she is not a great lover of government, but surely shows her brainwashing when it comes to "the Environment" ( actually is a Global Warming sceptic, but still thinks the Fed Gov should regulate pollution), roads, and welfare. But she is big 2A supporter, and doesnt believe one bit of the 911 Commission report. She is open to sound money/competing currency ideas...
so, we focus on some of the things we agree on. Its like the Ron Paul idea of creating alliances. My wife and I come together where we can. We do our best not to get too deeply into the other areas where the disagreement is more passionate ( although it does happen, and the arguments can be spectacular. We also learned to just let stuff go. The anger at one anotgher just isnt worth it.) ;)

I'd rather have a bottle in front o' me than a frontal lobotomy

share with him mkultra and mind control

well you could start with sharing the mkultra could watch some movies like the old ones 1984,They Live,Manchurian candidate 1962 film, perhaps share with him information about the majestic 12,maybe even point out what they did to the people who where done building the railroads or what happened to the people who got the polio vaccines or you could watch food incorporated and do the links of big corporation to our government ,then go to the media how it use to have alot of competition and now ran by 6 companies and now they are all world wide.took me 2 years to get the cable tv out of the house praise the Lord but now even tv seems to be repeated on shows don't know why how many times does a person need to watch Scarface?
I am sure deep down inside he knows , and a man wants to be a protector. Do you have a KJV bible there are many examples how the world behaves perhaps read revelations together.
God be with you

here is a video of the 1960'sublimal signoff on tv



Common Ground

Just stick to what you can agree on and go from there. Waking up is a gradual process.

"I know you boys like em sloppy". The Lunch Lady

When you learn exactly what government is and what it is not

then these atrocities become more plausible.
The best proof one has is their admission many years after the fact. The government has outright admitted their involvement in many scandals.

So Begin by learning civics. I know you do not have a firm grasp of basic civics just by your use of the phrase "our government."

If you want to know exactly what the nature of government is, then let me know and I will answer in a few short sentences.

Please Understand ME

Clearly you and your spouse have different temperaments.
When intuitives and empiricists mix it can cause friction.

Epimethean temperaments exist primarily to be useful to their social units.

Appollian temperament is best decribed by Hamlet's sololoquy. "To be or not to be..." The quest never ends.

Of course, I am guessing based on your OP. Neither is wrong. Other temperaments are Dionysian and Promethean.

I may be projecting as I am of Appollian temperment married to one of Epimethean temperament.

I recommend as was recommended to me, understand each other first. The insight can help both of you discover that neither of you is crazy.


The mythological approach described in Please Understand ME by Keirsy and Bates 1984

That's how I handled it with my spouse and children. Good luck!

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All the information you need is availible online

Maybe sit him down through James perloffs presentation of shadows of power.


Your Situation is Typical of America's Belief in Government

The average American has too much faith in the "goodness" of the U.S. Government though history has shown repeatedly that it cannot be trusted, even at the highest levels of office. Perhaps your husband would be willing to watch this video that summarizes the Watergate Scandal that occurred in the mid-1970's.


Here we see and hear about the President of the United States, The Attorney General of the United States, the FBI and members of the CIA and others who were all involved in the cover-up of various felonious acts of burglary, coercion, bribery, spying on private conversations, invocation of executive privilege for personal use and outright lying to the American people. This is a historical fact that cannot be trivialized or whitewashed; it happened to us.

It ultimately led to the resignation of President Nixon who was the first executive in U.S. history to be named an unindicted conspirator by a grand jury and the conviction of Attorney General John Mitchell as well as others involved with Nixon's reelection campaign. We all know that history repeats itself and such crimes will happen again and again to the detriment of the American people unless the nation starts to pay attention and demand accountability.

What is different in today's world is the total compromise and surrender of journalistic ethics for money. Radio, television and print media have all sold out to powerful interests and are now the pubic relations arm of the shadow government. Instead of demanding investigations of corruption (e.g., "too big to fail" bankers, reasons for Middle Eastern wars, etc.) the media focuses on "soft news" (e.g., Hollywood, national sports, etc.) to distract the people.

Your husband's lack of understanding about Washington's machinations as well as the majority of Americans is the main problem the liberty movement faces: apathy and poor memory. It is the toughest nut to crack open but we must not give up our quest to expose these dark malevolent forces to the light of truth.

Well, for starters, with respect to Pearl Harbor, have him read

"Freedom Betrayed," by that well-known Conspiracy Theorist, President Herbert Hoover. Hoover, while a globalist, was NOT a warmonger, and he was extremely upset about FDR's engineering of the war. In fact,he was toying re-entering politics and running for President as a Peace Candidate. . . . A long read, but well worth it. It finally was released only a couple of years ago. Hoover considered it is his most important task, and it took him the rest of his life (he didn't die until 1964) to finish it.

Oh, and Google Operation Northwoods, a predecessor plan to 9/11. In defense of JFK, he said no to that plan. Then again, look what happened to him after he acted like he thought he was actually in charge.

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

You are starting with wrong axiom - I don't blame him

This is a common mistake, especially in the 9/11 Truth world. The "government" did not plan 9/11. That is insane. Saying "the government" did something is saying every member of congress, the undersecretary of the Dept. of Agriculture, and the Fifth-Level White House Media Intern (who's only job is to be available for hand-jobs) all knew about it.

Crazy, right?

Anytime I hear someone say that "the government" was involved in 9/11 I want to choke them. That is what the media has said 9/11 truthers say for over a decade now - and it is absurd - thus the sheeple think it. Was Cheney involved? Probably. Were there double agents providing intelligence? Absolutely. But, it was a small group. If you look at the Gulf of Tonkin 'incident', most of the military people involved had no clue. Most of the reporters who got there after the activity had no clue. And, again, something repeated enough means the sheeple will follow.

Trust me, my wife is the same way. She works for, and I'm not kidding, former high level operatives of the Democrat Party. She defends Obama no matter what and doesn't touch any of the "tricky" stuff like the US genocide in Middle East. When I informed her that our medical insurance was going from an HMO with a deductible of $500 to an Obama-care approved PPO which is more expensive and a deductible of $3500 she said something to the effect of '....well, at least the part-time women I work with will get insurance' - even though they all have insurance through their spouses or are very young.

I just stopped discussing such things unless in a group. Neither of us watch the propaganda networks, so no worries there. My wife is actually a fan of Ron Paul and proud of all the work I did on the campaign, even though she didn't see me for months at a time. Chin up, never waiver, and make sure you are discussing the correct demons.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Let me know if you find a

satisfactory answer. I do believe if there is an answer, the only one who can find it ... is you.

Consider that believing these things can be really painful

Your husband has a particular world view that coincides with much of the patriotic information he was given as a boy.
He likely believes that:
....the people within the government would never let such a thing happen. They are citizens who love their country too. That such atrocities could never happen here. That the simplest answer to contradicting facts is to believe the official story.....

This world view isn't about truth. It's about feeling secure and happy. Once that world view is shattered by some contradiction that you can't dismiss, it's very likely and natural for people to either become really depressed or extremely angry. There are a whole lot of people who instinctively know that such knowledge or belief would send them into a very dark place, and therefore choose not to go there. In fact they choose NOT to look at the facts at all as then that would possibly remove all deny-ability.

For me, I started waking up over seeing media manipulation, lying, willful omissions, and unfair persecutions during an election year. It was so wide spread I could no longer excuse it away. I realized who all must be involved. I realized that without a free press, corruption could run amok. I was really angry and then the more pieces I put together, the more profoundly sad I got.

So... what I'm trying to say is that be patient with your husband. He's dragging his feet for a reason. He won't look at the facts for a reason. He most likely instinctively knows it can take him into a very dark place and he's trying to prevent that.

It's deeply painful to realize that your beloved country is capable of such evil corruption and atrocities.

In regards to Pearl Harbor

Judge Napolitano does a very good job of shedding light on Pearl Harbor in his book Theodore and Woodrow.

If ignorance is bliss, Washington DC must be heaven.

Have him watch "911 and War by Deception"

By Ryan Dawson. If your husband can sit through this whole movie and try to understand even 50% he will understand and believe everything you say and believe in.



Smoking Guns

Stay away from really difficult false flags.

Eg Pearl harbour, wtc 1 & 2.

Only the curious will have the time and energy to truly unravel the truth on these. It is too much for the mind on first go.

Stick to the simple and profound smoking guns.

Don't make statements. Ask questions after first showing him the material.

How did the BBC reporter know the building was coming down 20 minutes before it did ? Demolition preparation takes weeks.
They could not have known before hand.

The Boston backpack was black. Can you help me understand why the suspects backpacks were grey ?

Why was the pentagon lawn untouched ? Where did the titanium engines go ? Why did they find a predator engine and mag wheel in the pentagon hole ? Why did the windows not break when hit by the 'plane' ?

Ask him to explain in full Gulf Of Tonkin, which is now stated historical fact that they lied, as is Iraq war also stated as fact that they lied.

He cannot deny these blatant truths. Get his mind on processing these undeniable facts.

Stay away from anything that isn't as clear cut smoking gun as these.
It is too much to take in otherwise. Do that once he sees it for the criminal acts that they are.

Note: I don't do this, I can't but help do it the wrong way.


Have him read "Deadly

Have him read "Deadly Deceit"


If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Like water eroding rocks


Just now my wife says to me:

"Mark says that GMO is in 90% of the food."

I respond:

"It is classic counterfeiting, people eat for nourishment and instead they get poison, they get sick and fat instead of nourishment, so they, now sick, now fat, now unnourished return to the same false, counterfeit, source for nourishment, they get fat, and sick, instead."

At that point, in the past, my wife would have shut down, since the past was me alone speaking about these clear and present dangers, but now that there is more water flowing from Mark, not just me, my wife responds and allows me to continue.

"This GMO is tied to Chemtrails, and if you want to learn something, no hurry, and be warned that the information is very disturbing, go find on Youtube something called What in the Word are They Spraying, and then if you can handle it, follow up with Why in the World are they Spraying, and you can get the information required to understand how classic counterfeit works to create classic Monopoly."



I did not go further into how that, and everything, connects into the Money Monopoly Power, but at least my wife is no longer resorting to full self-censorship, which is like a Trojan Horse that invades the brain and shuts down all power of defense against clear and present dangers.

I did not go into the latest information I've been processing whereby the battle for Liberty against Legal Crime has hit the wall, where the Legal Criminals are knowable as baby eating, insane, devil worshipers at the Top of that Pyramid Scheme, and that their own lower level "Specialists" are now in-fighting while many competitive forces for Liberty are getting ready to fill the vacuum that will exist once the Legal Criminals do their own house cleaning.

Too much information causes what to happen in any case?


Have you considered a

Have you considered a divorce?

In my favor, people whom I have been warning for years about many issues I learned about through Ron Paul initially are finally seeing the light thanks to the Greenwald stories and the New York Times editorial taking on the president directly.

Get him to read and let him

Get him to read and let him discover it himself. Books from george orwell such as animal farm or 1984 will help him relate to what is actually happening. Agree on certain things, principles that guide your lives. As for who or what brought down the world trade towers or boston bomber isnt the issue imo, but instead why these things happen. We all agree it is related to the excess powers of the government and that alone should b3 enough.

Don't talk with him about it

If he's given you any signs that he doesn't want to discuss it with you, respect his boundaries.

It sounds like the feeling's mutual, that not believing the same thing = crazy. But I doubt it's that intense for all subjects. On-line discussions do not carry any stigma regarding being not respectful of whether the other person wants to be in the conversation because you're not exactly trying to share a house with those people. I've seen it for myself how immersing oneself in a subject on-line, where the most narcissistic people are the loudest, then trying to emerge from that culture to "evangelize" a spouse is disastrous.

It's really hard for the person wanting to put up conversational boundaries to express exactly what the boundaries are on these topics. I can't say, "please don't discuss conspiracy theories with me" without a person in full, on-line evangelism mode taking that as an opening to parse out what qualifies as a "conspiracy theory". Other attempts to categorize the banned topics may go even worse. It would work best if the party seeking to initiate such a conversation be willing to back off respectfully when asked.

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