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I'm In a Job That Contradicts Libertarianism

It's called Social Work. I was working in Social Work before I saw the light and then Dr. Ron Paul came to my campus. Hard not to change after that! However, I am stuck between a rock and a hard place with this scenario. Anyone else in a career that contradicts liberty?



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Make Lemonade

Working at a bank offers a great opportunity to pass out audio copies of 'The Creature From Jekyll Island' to all your co-workers. I've passed out many copies to all my friends at the bank.

I used to work for the IRS

I worked for the IRS for nearly 8 months of every year. I quit supporting them years ago. I took control of my life and now exchange services and product for items that have intrinsic value.

This might be one of the more depressing

threads I've read in a while. I feel bad for you guys.

BSA/AML Analyst

I report suspicious banking activity to Fincen (IRS).

I was in the military and

I was in the military and called it quits. Got offered a high paying job with Lockheed Martin and then the TSA. I chose to be a cable guy.

I solute you

even though it is probably a trade union job. In many places, local government allows only one cable company with no competition (same with concrete, asphalt, electricity, transportation, etc.)

Thank you. It's not a union

Thank you. It's not a union job, but you're right, the only competition is directtv and dish. We do have competition within the state but its broken into regions. So one region has only one cable provider. My company has bought out others in the area over the years, but they were failing companies.

I am considering enrolling in

I am considering enrolling in a doctoral program in public health. That field is massively dependent on federal "grants." I don't understand why insurance companies can't fund preventive care "intervention" research. So I am right there with you. Our nation is so statist oriented, that it really is hard to have your career be fully consistent with philosophy.

Public school student

Public school student

Are you still in high school?

If so, you don't work for the state. You're more of a prisoner.

I've got the criminal defense guy beat

I've got the criminal defense guy beat in terms of "libertarian jobs" - my wife and I own and operate a gun store. Top that one ;-)

Yea, we must collect sales tax. However, that's a state level tax (not unconstitutional). I still don't like doing it but it is what it is and at least it's better than collecting tax for the federal government.

If you own a business and take money out of your

employee's check then you are a tax collector. lol

Not us

We have no employees. Just my wife and I.



I'm Barack Obama.

I'm Barack Obama.

Simple Facts and Plain Arguments
A common sense take on politics and current events.


You should NOT be executed for war crimes...

..without benefit of due process.

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West of 89
a novel of another america

I collect sales taxes

Worse yet, I sell Ohio State Lottery tickets. I work in a convenience store.

Of course, I exercise what discretion I have to tell the approachable that I am conflicted over the issue. When cusomers buy their scratchoffs (which I call the numbers racket) I often point out that no possible good can come from it, that any dollar moved from the private sector to the public sector is a net loss for humanity.

"Do you have any winning tickets?" many will ask.
"They're all winners," I answer, "for the mob."

"It's good for education!" they whine.
"It's good for over-fed educrats," I respond, "so they can continue to torture helpless children."

I don't begrudge them their fun. The mob (uh, "State") has a monopoly on the racket so where else can they go to satisfy that particular itch? By now, some of my regulars smile and make their selections and recite along with me, "More money for the mob!"

So be at peace with yourself. All have fallen short of the glory of the pure. None of us can levitate (no, not one) so we walk on the sidewalk, knowing full well that it was built with stolen money. BUT, we can stay heads up about it and say our piece when the opportunity presents. Though many will give me that ol' Whisky Tango Foxtrot gaze, none have the power to UNHEAR me.

You are NOT a traitor to our cause, IF you are an INFILTRATOR.

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West of 89
a novel of another america

I work for pure evil.

I work at a bank. A pretty big one, if not the biggest. I think about quiting every day. I truly hate ripping people off. And knowing what I know now about fractional reserve banking and the fed, I'm very conflicted. Once school is over next week I'll probably start looking for a new job..

I'm a loan originator. You

I'm a loan originator. You have to take a 20 hour federal s.a.f.e. course and pass which costs $300. Then take a federal and state exam, $200. Then submit fingerprints, a criminal background check, have the government pull your credit. Then once your cleared you pay $350 for your license. Then you take an 8 hour course and pay for a license renewal every year. Also, every loan your company does must be recorded as to type, loan amount, lender, your fees, etc and sent into the government every three months. Also, we do all four types of loans which are conventional(Quasi-free market), FHA(government insured), USDA(government guaranteed), and VA(government guaranteed). Also, while doing all of these loans and conducting your business there are specific rules you must follow as to how you can advertise, what questions you are allowed to ask the borrower, what disclosures you must give the borrow and within how many days of X. The government can revoke, suspend, deny renewal of your license, or fine you if you fail to meet the guidelines. They also do yearly audits of your business. And I work for a small brokerage company with four people. Talk about burdensome regulations to small business. And I almost forgot, every home buyer you close a loan with must sign a Patriot Act form to quote "help America fight terrorism".

"Where liberty is, there is my country." -Benjamin Franklin

I work for a global corporation

I work for a global corporation, one of the top military industrial complex contractors. Fortunately I work in their commercial division, not military, and they have treated me well. I like my job. When I 1st met Dr. Paul in May of 2007, he told me to approach my job the same way we approach the GOP. Become involved and change the culture from within. Become a supervisor, manager, shop steward, team lead, employee involvement team captain, etc. Influence others around you to the ideas of liberty, and urge them to do the same.

In the end, we need people of good conscience doing these jobs. I'd rather have you as a social worker than someone else. You are less likely to use the force of government against innocents than a socialist. Hang in there.

+1 agreed x 2,000,000


agreed x 2,000,000

I am in the military - Air

I am in the military - Air Force, C-130's specifically - and I was surprised this election cycle at the number of Paul supporters. Nearly everyone I talked politics with liked Pual! They seemed to be very cautious talking politics, however. I don't know if it was out of 'politeness,' fear that they were the minority, or simply because general sensitive nature of discussing politics in the military.

It was comforting to see "infiltrators."

I had an internship writing

I had an internship writing gun control legislation LOL. Enough of that. Did my penance doing research for the other side. Criminal defense track now, can't get much more libertarian than that.

Ventura 2012

Defend people

without a being a BAR member and officer of the court.

just sayin what could be more libertarian...


Liberty = Responsibility

That's illegal :)

That's illegal :)

Ventura 2012


but then, liberty is illegal. 99% of our "laws" are nothing but institutionalized, formalized aggression, destroying liberty rather than defending it.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

I'm too pretty for jail!

I'm too pretty for jail!

The Sixth Amendment is a pretty good law though. Coupled with licensing laws, it gives poor people access to better defense than they can afford.

Ventura 2012

Yes, most of the Bill of Rights were pretty good laws.

Unhappily, most of them are now illegal, including the Sixth. A jury that doesn't know its right to judge the law as well as the facts of the case . . . a jury which is usually sworn to enforce whatever the judge tells them the law is . . . is no defense at all against tyranny. Have you EVER met a libertarian, anarchist or Ron Paul supporter who has actually served on a jury? Bet you haven't. Voir dire sucks. And I have heard that lawyers who try to inform juries of their Constitutional rights and duties can be held in contempt of court, and even disbarred. Can you tell me if that's true, B'more?

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

Sounds like...

a great reason for you to want to serve o a jury, to get people off on unconstitutional laws.

It's what I did. I just pretended to be a drone, put on nice clothing and answered all the Judges and lawyers questions the way I knew they wanted...Bam I was on a jury. I knew I wanted on this trial because the defendant was charged with a loaded/concealed handgun in California for a registered legally owned firearm. I believe that California gun laws are most certainly unconstitutional.

If I was not on that jury that man would have been put in jail on a felony, his property taken away and his right to purchase a handgun revoked. Because of my actions he's a free man!!!!

I salute you.

The problem is, it's not enough to be WILLING to serve on a jury -- you have to be able to lie convincingly during the voir dire (legalized jury tampering.) You absolutely did the right thing. When I tried to do the same, (see my post lower down this thread), I really wasn't prepared, and didn't manage to hide a few traces of intelligence from the court. They booted me.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...