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Poll: If you had to choose, who would you vote for in 2016 in a race between Republican Rand Paul and Democrat Dennis Kucinich?

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I'm sorry if some of you are getting tired of polls, and I apologize if posting another poll irrates you. That isn't my intention. My intention in posting this particular poll is just to try to understand why so many people here won't support Rand Paul. Is it because there are just a lot of hardcore libertarians here who don't believe that Rand Paul is libertarian enough? Is there there really just a lot of left wing liberals here who only supported Ron because he wanted to end the wars and legalize drugs? I've seen a lot of praise and a lot of support for Dennis Kucinich here, and many people have even said that they would support him for President or would want him to be Ron's VP pick. This is despite the fact that Kucinich has anti liberty views on about 80-90% of the issues. Rand Paul has received A TON of hatred from the people on this forum, even though he takes pro liberty positions on 98% of the issues. So I would just like to know where people are coming from and who they would support in a matchup between Rand Paul and Dennis Kucinich in 2016. I would GREATLY appreciate your participation in this poll! Thanks!!

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No you don't get it.. I don't think any of you that are willing

to trade a win for principles will probably never get it.

Let me make it simple for you.. or at least most 5 year olds could get it.. let's see if you do.

No matter who you put Rand up against, he has to stand on his own. Putting him up against someone else is a waste of time.

As I'm beginning to gather, Rand thinks that Liberty people are stupid it seems and he can talk a big talk on the NDAA and you suckers lap up the piss. Play to your face while he stabs you in the back and makes meaningless political gestures for show.

His NDAA 2013 did absolutely shit to undo what NDAA 2012 has put in place.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Exactly.

If he was so serious about it, he would have DEMANDED that 1021 be STRICKEN. Instead, he supported a democrats amendment that does NOTHING for Americans abroad or human beings in general.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

even his TSA incident

he was quick to say TSA shouldn't be ended, but just changed some.

weak,weak,weak.

you cant change the world in

you cant change the world in a day. rand is realistic enough to know that if you want change, it must come through baby steps.

Baby steps.

Baby steps get you one step forward, two steps back.

Ron Paul will be on speaking tours soon. I have faith that he will grow r3VOLution among the youth. It will take an entire generation of youth, along with principled Libertarians and true conservative Republicans to put this nation on the right track, and to win presidential elections.

I have NO interest whatsoever in trading principle for a win. That is what got this screwed up nation into trouble to begin with.

There is local and state which is focus now. I may be pipe dreaming, but I will hold out for principled candidates such as Justin Amash, Massie, or others.

The polls going on on this forum are bullsh|it. This place has become as fractured as the so-called tea-party. There is no objectivity or deep discussion concerning vetting. It is a popularity contest that I will take no part in.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

What will yo do when Ron

What will yo do when Ron endorses his son for POTUS? Hmmmm...

I can guarantee you that

I can guarantee you that Thomas Massie isn't any more libertarian than Rand.

True dat!!

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Oh looky, more down votes for you and me.

It looks like this place has finally been taken over by nwo socialists. TomWoods.com got whacked, now we get voted down for vetting and speaking principle.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Don't let the pettiness get to you, I don't.

There are many of us still, we're just more vocal.:)

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

You are right.

I do not know if it is timing, or true liberty people taking a break from this forum. Aside from you, and a few others, it is becoming lonely here.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

I've located your missing associates

http://about-face.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/good-luck-t...

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

It is obvious

It is obvious now who the real RP supporters are, Liberty, Freedom, and those who worked to fracture this movement, romney infilTRAITORS, GJ, etc.

If Liberty, Freedom, were freely handed to you on a silver platter, you would gladly spit it out.

I am in this fight to the end. Count on it.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

LOL

Because continually undermining the only Liberty conscious Senators and Congressmen we have isn't "working to fracture the movement."

Awesome.

Eric Hoffer

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Prior to election there was an anti-obama rally in my city. They insisted that romney was sincere, and would restore our nation to its Constitutional principles. When I spoke, I provided facts. How easily those facts were dismissed.

After election I attended Christian Coalition. They were selling romney signs for $5 each as keepsakes. When it was my turn to speak, some were on board and listened. Others were furious.

When you say "working to fracture the movement", I say this entire nation is fractured beyond pathetic. And I do not think that it is awesome.

We MUST hold ALL politicians accountable. Whether you support them or not, they work for us, not the other way around.

The offer stands. Let me know when you are ready to work. There is much to do.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Accountability and Energy

We MUST hold ALL politicians accountable. Whether you support them or not, they work for us, not the other way around.

I agree 100%. However, that's not the trend. The trend isn't to go after the worst offenders and try and remove them. The trend is to find those whole most closely align with our value structure, and then wait for them to stray a bit so we can nail them. Meanwhile, the worst offenders aren't getting a word against them.

Just reading the threads here, you'd think Rand Paul is the biggest enemy of Liberty in the Senate, or at least that he voted half the time against us and in favor of Big Government.

We spend far too much time attacking our own (waiting for the Rand isn't one of "our own!" replies here) and far too little time working on the small races that make a difference.

Is the nation fractured? I doubt any more than it's been at other points in time with great exceptions. Politics is like sports, and entertainment for most that people like to bicker and form teams over. In general, people don't want thoughtful discussion about what is right, good, or will work. They want to feel like they're good and be on the winning or "better" team, however they define it.

The awesome, obviously, was sarcastic and directed at all of the wasted time spent bashing Rand when there are a number of more reasonable targets for Liberty to go after. Want to talk foes of liberty? Lets talk about how to oust Stabenow and Levin in Michigan.

Maybe talk about what the next 2014 races are coming up where we can make a difference. As for work, I'm no stranger to it. Just because I honor the work you've done and respect it, don't think I didn't do work on my end. You'll notice we sent Kerry Bentivolio to Congress in my district.

Eric Hoffer

Eric

I will likewise retract my reference that you did not work.

You are now getting to the core of some of the problems here. It is difficult enough fighting against the corrupt, we should not be going after each other.

I offer a handshake. Let's continue to keep each other on our toes :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Poor justification

You're so conditioned to take less that I think you're afraid to ask for anything more.

It's sad to see people go from someone like Dr.Paul to someone like Rand. I assume you all must have been dreaming when Dr.Paul was running? Either that or maybe you just refused to vote for him because he was moving too fast?

We don't have time for Rands kind of baby steps bud. If you haven't noticed, the economy is failing, all around us there are movements to totalitarianism and people like you want us to take it easy.. let's just ease into things.

We've been easing into things for far too long.

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These polls are BS

Total Garbage !

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

Lol Don't all people on this

Lol Don't all people on this site realize that Dennis Kucinich is a socialist?

Well sure but we also realize when someone is gtrying to herd us

That doesn't go over to well to the more principled of us, unlike yourself perhaps.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Rand Paul... Kucinich is a

Rand Paul... Kucinich is a socialist.

Hey

Mr. "Real Conservative"...how about NOT posting polls that cant possibly be in any way accurate on where the members here actually stand ?
Unless you have to be a registered member to vote on the poll, the poll is useless and irrelevant. YOU know this so why do you do it ?
Anybody that visits this forum can vote on this poll and pass it around, even link it to other sites...Your polls are complete BS and give nothing but a false sense on where people here actually stand !
Knock it off !

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

I didn't even know about the

I didn't even know about the site that I've been posting polls on until a member named "compromise" linked to that site. I don't know how to post polls on the Daily Paul, so I just used this site instead.

Well

now that you know any none member can vote on it and even link it to other sites, email to their friends etc the correct thing to do would be to remove the polls! Your not helping yourself or this movement by posting polls that can be manipulated regardless of where the members here actually stand. Obviously the Neotards and Obama-bots appreciate your efforts...and probably a few here that care more about winning a argument than they do about getting this country back on track! You aren't helping anything, your just giving a bunch of Rand bashing Dolts who seem to be obsessed with winning a argument and losing more elections a false sense of victory while at the same time saying you support Rand....

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

I won't create any polls on

I won't create any polls on that site anymore. Can you tell me how you create a poll on this site that only members can vote on? I didn't see the link to click on to make a poll here. I haven't been a member here for very long and haven't been to this site much.

Not sure

I don't think this site has the ability to do what you want to do.
Most websites have that ability such as the RP Forums but i have never seen that here. To get a accurate reading on where the members here stand you would have to have a polling option where only registered members could vote, otherwise it just creates more confusion and division and gives people who don't know any better a false sense of reality....

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

Rand

Rand

Luckily..

I don't *have* to choose. I can simply not vote.

This poll should have had a

This poll should have had a "neither of the above" option.