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POLL: If you had to choose, who would you vote for in 2016 in a race between Republican Rand Paul and Libertarian Jesse Ventura?

http://strawpoll.me/5655

Based on the user "A Real Conservative" 's Rand vs. Kucinich poll.

If Jesse Ventura were the Libertarian Party nominee and Rand Paul were the Republican Party nominee, who would you vote for in the 2016 presidential election?




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Integrity for president

Ventura has integrity whereas Rand is just a politician. Leave the politicians to argue among themselves in the houses. The president needs to be an individual beyond reproach who will not be pressured into abandoning their principles.

But you are missing the point

Nobody but you loons will vote for the guy therefore he will never be president. How do you plan on getting him elected ? Please explain??

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

No, you are missing the point

The question was who we would vote for, one or the other. It had nothing to do with getting the sheeple (like you) to vote for either one. I vote Ventura without a thought.

Rand Paul believes in preemptive war. (Sanctions on Iran)
Rand Paul votes to fund the Christian genocide in the Middle East
Rand Paul offered to give up our sovereignty to Israel
Rand Paul supported Romney, the Neocon, death-squad funding, communist Romney. Don't care for his reasons, shall never be forgiven.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

LMAO

Good GAWD this place is upside down . Jesse Ventura is a unstable nut job and has a ice cubes chance in hell at ever winning a election.
You guys are like a bunch of squirrels looking for a NUT and with o'l Jesse you have surely found one....

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

Maybe

The squirrels are the ones that think Rand has a chance of gaining the republican nomination.
I think most people are fed up already with these Rand for 2016 fact finding missions.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

i don't think either stands a chance

but hypothetical, Jesse.

only one who could beat Hitlery at this point is Ron, & with a complete turnaround of the GOP

Oh ?

well then my advise to you is try not to think, you may hurt yourself as bad as you are hurting this movement. Cant you loons find another sandbox to play in? Like the Jesse Ventura is my Hero forum or something?

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

Well..

Should I take your advise and stop thinking, I'm afraid I'd start to sound like you. Maybe you should keep your condescending, arrogant and idiotic advice to yourself, stop assuming I support Jesse Ventura, stop presuming your opinions are worth anything, stop your down-voting everyone, and go play in your own sandbox..on your own preferably, my friend.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

I'm not assuming anything

I simply read what you wrote bellow. My advice is sound and logical while your advice seems to be wave the white flag and give up on the republican party or waste more time screwing with the third party pipe dream. Not quite sure what your message or motive is exactly but it reads as if you have given up. Last i checked giving up wasn't worth much and a third party is worth about 2% of the vote on a good day. Ron Paul isn't running again, time for you to except that and move on to the next best chance we have at advancing our goals and that is by far Rand winning the republican nomination. Your discouraging comments don't help anything. If you cant put up anything but discouraging remarks towards Rand then just zip it. You say you trust Ron Paul, will you trust him when he endorses his son ? Or will you wave your white flag and give up and call it good advice?
I do agree with you that these polls are divisive and serve no purpose just as these Rand bashing Dolts serve no purpose.
Last , quit assuming i'm down voting everyone....friend...

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

Well at the risk of

Keeping this nonsense continuing, what post below are you referring to?, and if you didn't understand the context of what I was posting, why not direct your remarks at that post, rather than reply with personal insults to this one.
I certainly am not giving up anything, well except corrupt politicians, and have no idea what your talking about in relation to white flags and third party runs, let alone discouraging remarks towards Rand Paul. Might be best if you were to point out exactly what it is your having trouble with, and I'll do my best, well in my limited capacity as a 'loon and non-thinker' as you put it, to answer your queries.

I doubt if anyone is under the impression that Ron Paul is likely to embark on another campaign, either republican or otherwise in 2016, and yes Ron Paul is the 'one' politician I do trust, and there is a difference between trust and support.

As for Rand being the 'next best thing' I think some here would beg to disagree, and have firm convictions as to why they entertain that viewpoint. I doubt calling them "Rand bashing Dolts" is going to have much influence in changing those views. Possibly Rand's actions over the coming two years will have a greater impact on the decision making process, one way or the other, but simply saying he 'is' isn't going to change a thing.
Lastly, I think you notice the obvious, and that is despite a 70/30% vote against, in this dubious straw poll, most of those that did not comment favorably for Rand were down-voted. Why is that so.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

Nope

Not having trouble with anything, it is what it is !
(The squirrels are the ones that think Rand has a chance of gaining the republican nomination.
I think most people are fed up already with these Rand for 2016 fact finding missions.) So whats your strategy genius ?
Is it 'most people'? Or 'some people' which is it ?, you seem to be confused and contradicting yourself already, why is that?..
I also find it funny that you call the poll dubious ( which is a understatement btw ,the poll is nowhere near accurate as it can be manipulated in many different ways) then you proceed to court the results in your desperation to prove something. The reason they get so many down votes is because they are clearly the minority in here as the poll results are complete BS.
I'm not interested in changing these Rand bashing Dolts minds, clearly they know it all already and are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things anyway as they are the 1% minority and are content with losing elections and getting nothing done.
Rand is gaining ground regardless of what they think and looking at the potential list of possible candidates that share our goals,AGAIN he is by far the best chance we have to get where we want to be and MOST of us know this but oddly enough YOU and a 'few' others do not. Perhaps you can enlighten us on who it is that shares our goals that has as good or better chance of winning the nomination than Rand ? You made that comment, not me and it is what it is, you should at least explain. How about answering some questions instead of asking them all the time and making your smug comments? ...and try not to contradict yourself while doing so...
I'll be waiting for your 'dubious' response...lol
i will leave this conversation at that sir genius....

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

I see

You obviously meant the post above, not below, like you said. So lets get it in context:
(CW) "You guys are like a bunch of squirrels looking for a NUT and with o'l Jesse you have surely found one...."

(RB) "Maybe the squirrels are the ones that think Rand has a chance of gaining the republican nomination."

I fail to see anything derogatory there, no white flags, no discouraging remarks. You simply feel the GOP executive will embrace Rand, others don't, including myself.

(RB) "I think most people are fed up already with these Rand for 2016 fact finding missions."

I'll stand by that statement. What is the purpose of the 'dubious' poll, well polls anyway?
To assess the current level of support for Rand?; to push Rand into the limelight yet again?; garner support, crunch the numbers?, or simply because he's Rand Paul.
2016 is four years away, a long hard road, and Rand is a freshman, with a very shakey start I might add..ask me again in three years.

Are you suggesting all 3 polls were manipulated, or just capable of being manipulated. I termed it dubious because it's practically meaningless.
Do you think your over-reacting..

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

sorry i missed this

(Are you suggesting all 3 polls were manipulated, or just capable of being manipulated. I termed it dubious because it's practically meaningless.
Do you think your over-reacting..)

Are you suggesting that people on this forum support JV two to one over Rand Paul ? How many OT's are started here about JV? How many pro Rand Paul OT's and comments are posted here as compared to JV ?..lacking common sense much?...Of course they are manipulated....are you suggesting they are not ?

Dubious:
a : of doubtful promise or outcome
b : questionable or suspect as to true nature or quality

Do you think you are reaching by calling the polls dubious and then courting the results?

No i'm not over-reacting, just calling the Sharks out on their BS is all...;)

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

I chose 'dubious' as opposed

I chose 'dubious' as opposed to any other description for the following reason:
The overall number of votes, at that time, were representative of what would have been reasonable to expect for a poll on this site. Maybe they are within that margin still?

The poll question asked for a comparison, not only between Ventura vs Paul, but included the libertarian party vs the republican party, that made the parties an additional factor.
The other issue was the lack of a third option, obviously forcing an A vs B choice.

The poll always was skewed, and irrelevant, as I said..practically meaningless, and the only factor that may have any creedence, at all, is the surprisingly low number of overall votes for Rand Paul..if that really means anything.

Does it really matter..

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

I was referring to both your post

The one bellow and above, i just didn't reference it in my last post as i didnt find it very important anyway. I guess i misunderstood your comment here
("I think most people are fed up already with these Rand for 2016 fact finding missions.") because i never saw the polls as pushing Rand Paul or expressing their support for Rand Paul. I saw the polls as just the opposite. I saw the polls as a deliberate attempt to discredit Rand because the polls obviously have bogus results and were intended to cause confusion from the start. Those polls can be linked through email, passed around on Facebook , linked to other websites etc. Even none registered visitors can vote on those polls therefore the original intent couldn't possibly help Rand or come anywhere close to where the majority of registered members of this website actually stand. How the hell else could Jesse Ventura beat Rand out ? The only way to get an accurate polling on where the members here stand is a poll where registered members only can vote in it such as the poll at the RP Forums which is night and day difference because its a legit poll.
As for this ("Maybe the squirrels are the ones that think Rand has a chance of gaining the republican nomination.") This can be interpreted as i took it in or as you explained it in your last comment. Either way Rand is still our best chance of advancing our goals. If you want real change you have to have somebody in position to make that happen! If we cant win elections we are going nowhere and i'm tired of going nowhere! Fact is, if Rand cant win, nobody can so whats the point in you even making that 'discouraging'statement..so you see where i'm coming from? I guess we just had totally different views on whats going on with these poll threads from the get-go, maybe that is where we bumped heads here as it all goes back to the fact that these stupid polls are divisive and bogus to start with and were designed to cause confusion and give a false sense of reality from the start and it has worked well.
Rand is closer to the nomination than anybody else who shares our beliefs so to say he cant win the nomination it sounds like you have giving up from my perspective, or should i say the perspective i had before you explained yourself...who else can carry the torch as far as he has? Who else is as close as he is AND will have Ron Pauls endorsement? The answer is nobody else comes close. We need to start focusing on winning elections to get our goals in the MS, we cant have it all the first time around. Seems a lot of people are more interested in finding a candidate that will disrupt things rather than advancing the cause of Liberty and getting the country back on track.
Anyway, seems this thread served its purpose...no hard feelings...

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

Who said Ventura

Was a Libertarian?, and I seem to recall Rand saying he wasn't a Libertarian either.
Jesse Ventura is a flamboyant, 'in your face' personality, that thinks and acts 'outside the box', that has a large following outside of politics..probably just what is need to upset the system.
I'd very much like to see a senator J. Ventura..-:)

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

Jesse Ventura - Libertarian?

If you think Government run healthcare is a human right and only a "bozo or hypocrite would think otherwise":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZZ30sixFj4#t=33m53s

Or the draft should be reinstated:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZZ30sixFj4#t=1h03m35s

Then "Libertarian" Jesse is your man.

9/11 Truthers.....

....you seem to want to support anyone who thinks 9/11 was an inside job, regardless of their actual political beliefs. Jesse isn't a free market capitalist. Say what you will about Rand, but if you are part of the Ron Paul revolution, I take that to mean you are in favor of the most personal freedom possible for the individual. Jesse distrusts the government, as we all do, but he's on the wrong side of a bunch of liberty issues, where Rand has been on the right side. Jesse just want's good honest people controlling us rather than corrupt people. I don't want anyone controlling me.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

Without Reservation and No Possibly Of Retraction, I State

that those people who would support Ventura over Rand should not be considered part of the liberty movement and should be associated with immature, unrealistic loons. Has anyone started the Rand site yet? Too many goofy people in here.

thankfully the name callers don't get to decide

The fact Ventura constantly steals lines from guys like Ralph Nader (2 Party Dictatorship), endorses Gary Johnson and appeals to a variety of fringe groups like none other makes it clear he could disrupt the left-right paradigm. Compare that to Benton and even Rand Paul who is supporting Romney and it’s clear a charismatic independent candidate is needed and his name is Jesse Ventura.'

http://www.naturalindependent.com/archives/8902/jesse-ventur...

BTW if i ever need a sleeping aid i'll visit that rand site you speak of where everybody agrees with you.

(it clear he could disrupt the left-right paradigm.)

and how exactly does this move us closer to our goals ? Its a VERY good idea if you want to turn people off and never be taken seriously again!

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

You know

That sounds just like the GOP.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

hmmmm

sounds like the truth to me....

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

GOP truth

which we all know is lies.

I think I would

vote for Rand, I like Ventura but we all know the Libertarian candidate does not have a chance.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

That wasn't the question

Get a spine will you?

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Rand is a dead end.

Well, it is abundantly clear now that Rand Paul has little support among the pro-liberty folks. Let's forget him and focus our efforts on someone who is principled, consistent and promotes liberty.

Rand has almost 100% support

Rand has almost 100% support over at Ron Paul forums.

Voted for Jesse , though i

Voted for Jesse , though i would support The Judge over Gary Johnson. If they are not an option? I will probably support Gary Johnson if the judge or jesse are not an option. I will remain a republican so i can serve accountability but seeing the gop options right now. Not very excited about being involved in a gop process of nothing!

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What I am seeing here is...

...the notion that just because someone appears to be "honest" we should support them. Heck, there are dozens of "honest" Communists, and Fascists who are "sincere". Does that make us support them? I am sorry but this is an issues movement, not an honesty movement. I believe that Rand Paul is honest(just to clarify), but for those of you who say Ventura or Kucinich are more so... they aren't even in the same book as us because they are both socialists; no matter how "honest" they are.

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