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"ICLEI Agenda 21 Consumes Suffolk County, Long Island"

"Governor Cuomos is turning New York into an Agenda 21/ICLEI paradise. Not everyone is going along with him. Westchester County just bowed out – lucky Westchester!

Westchester County Executive Rob Astorino, a fiscal conservative, terminated ICLEI — Local Governments for Sustainability when their paid membership came to an end. Four years ago, Westchester enthusiastically joined ICLEI’s Climate Action Plan, which is the brainchild of UN Marxists.

Astorino believes that Westchester can protect the environment without outside influences.

Unfortunately, Suffolk County, Long Island has chosen a different path.

Long Island seems to have a death-by-spending wish. They even went beyond Cuomo’s costly plan for new ICLEI roadways.

The Suffolk County Legislature voted last Tuesday to adopt Long Island’s first county-wide Complete Streets policy. The policy requires that all roads – not just those receiving state or federal funds as is mandated by the New York State Complete Streets legislation that went into effect in February 2012 – consider the safe accommodation of bicyclists, pedestrians, transit users and motorists alike.

The local government is manufacturing a crisis to do this. They are pretending Suffolk County has the most dangerous streets in the nation and that complete streets are necessary.

Redoing every street is going to be extremely expensive at a time when the economy is poor and Suffolk homeowners pay some of the highest residential taxes in the nation. Suffolk County also has a huge budget deficit of over $300 million.

Complete Streets is the brainchild of UN ICLEI..."

Read more: http://www.independentsentinel.com/2012/12/iclei-agenda-21-c...

See also:
- "Count Executive Rob Astorino Terminates Westchester Membership in ICLEI"
http://www.newrochelletalk.com/content/county-executive-rob-...

- "Governor Cuomo is Turning New York into an Agenda 21/ICLEI Paradise." (Providing various links, )
http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs150/1101448807983/archi...
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As an environmentalist, I do not necessarily disagree with all of the proposals discussed in Governor Cuomo's green plans for New York, i.e., these proposals in and unto themselves.

For instance, in the long run - if we wish to sustain the FOOD CHAIN - we do need large tracts of *contiguous* forested land (wilderness) vs. towns' "green space" or even protected areas under state jurisdiction that simply cannot sustain healthy and sufficient wildlife. (It doesn't matter whether some seem more concerned about the animals or the trees over people; in the grand scheme of things, we're all connected.) But, something of that nature can be accomplished voluntarily and without the U.N./ICLEI involved, as has been done in New England. (See Reading The Forested Landscape: A Natural History of New England, by Tom Wessels - a fantastic "interdisciplinary" read, by the way!)

It's the same with local ordinances. IF local residents wish to adopt certain changes within their own communities (townships, cities, or counties), that can be achieved through local boards without involvement from larger government or quasi-government entities. For instance, where I live in Rockland County, because of the initiative of one resident, our county-owned properties no longer use toxic pesticides/herbicides.

Unfortunately, in some cases well-meaning planning boards simply don't understand what they're getting into when they sign up for membership in ICLEI, namely, the rights/power (that belongs to the citizens or a community) they can be giving up. They may well not even know the connection to the U.N. and Agenda 21 and *ultimate* goals of ICLEI proposals brought to their attention, nor the potential consequences, namely where property rights are concerned. Those who raise the issue can count on being called "conspiracy theorists," but by now there is plenty of evidence that can no longer be denied. So beware! ICLEI now operates under different guises. For one, is your town an official "Green Town?"

The bigger issue is philosophical. The following are quotes from one of the articles linked at the above website: "GOVERNOR ANDREW COUMO TO IMPLEMENT UNITED NATIONS’ AGENDA 21 IN NEW YORK STATE VIA REGIONAL PLANNING GROUPS"

"1. “Individual rights will have to take a back seat to the collective.” – said Harvey Ruvin, Vice Chairman, ICLEI. The Wildlands Project. (You can’t get more socialist than using the word ‘collective’ in a sentence).

2. “We must make this place (the earth) an insecure and inhospitable place for Capitalists and their projects – we must reclaim the roads and plowed lands, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness tens of millions of acres or presently settled land.” - Dave Foreman, Earth First. (He’s talking about humans who work for a living and build things - that’s you and I)

3. "It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and work air conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable.” – Maurice Strong, Secretary General of the UN’s Earth Summit, 1992."

(Source http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_301_32309.php?utm_s...)

I do not deny that there are environmental issues that need to be addressed. But while I do believe that local government can have a role to play, that is, as representatives of the people and able to be voted OUT by the people (unlike these regional environmental planning boards), there are also FREE MARKET SOLUTIONS to environmental problems.

No one has been more of a champion of this than Amory Lovins, co-founder of the Rocky Mountain Institute and author of (for one) "Natural Capitalism." [A consultant to both government and industry here and abroad, Lovins is also a proponent of decentralization related to national security. There are multiple reasons to want a decentralized society.] I urge you to check out the work of The Rocky Mountain Institute. Their website's well-organized "Knowledge Center" has hundreds of archived articles providing both the rationale behind, and practical applications of, free-market business solutions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Mountain_Institute
http://www.rmi.org/



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As a Westchester County resident,

I am proud to have Rob Astorino representing our interests as the results of Agenda 21 are plainly evident in our county. He is a true conservative in a sea of democrats here.

With liberty and justice for all...who can afford it.

As a Rockland County resident,

I can see signs of Agenda 21 here, too, such as (for one) a "public-private partnership" that enabled a stadium to go up despite the fact that residents did not want a baseball stadium in the midst of their neighborhood. When it came up as a spending bill, people voted against it. They thought that was the end of it. Surprise! The town got private funding and built it anyway. Well, here's to Rob Astorino: https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRPr47s...

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

The "Green" agenda...

...has so many non-governmental organizations, laws, treaties, associations, clubs, think tanks, et al that it's hard to keep up. What is usually just called "Agenda 21" has its tentacles in everything, it's in every state, every county, every town. People think this stuff is still undecided, still being being debated. Nope, it was begun a long time ago and its well on its way to implementation. The end goal is literally international socialism, communal housing, depopulation, "rewilding" of a vast majority of the surface of the planet - Stalin meets Smokie the bear. These people are dangerous fanatics. O, and needless to say, it has nothing to do with the environment, it's about controlling people.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

At the Agenda 21/Rio conference, they admitted as much.

[For those not familiar with the jargon, Agenda 21 = Rio = Rio+20 = the United Nations Commission on Sustainable Development, or UNCSD. Agenda 21 is basically the "top down" part. ICLEI is the "bottom up" component.]

Thank you for noting that, NowOrNever. For ALL that has been promulgated over the past 20 YEARS via the media and also no small amount of proselytizing in public schools, beginning in elementary school, as well new zoning, regulations, and development plans in towns and cities across America in the name of GLOBAL WARMING/CLIMATE CHANGE and the ENVIRONMENT - Agenda 21's supposed crisis-level RAISON D'ETRE - it seems the new reason for Agenda 21 and urgent change is POVERTY. That is, the eradication of world poverty is now the justification to establish a global economic and social system.

"Poverty, not global warming or the environment, is “the greatest challenge that we face in the world today”, said Luiz Alberto Figueiredo Machado, Brazil’s chief negotiator, when a draft that ultimately became the final agreement was announced on 19 June.

Following are two links: 1) the final Rio conference report and 2) the United Nations' legalese-sounding General Assembly resolution on "Implementation of Agenda 21." These should be reviewed by every American to understand the GOALS and SCOPE of Agenda 21. But first, this is from the aforementioned "draft." It's in the report's preamble, titled "Vision" in the TOC:

I. Preamble/Stage Setting

1. We, the heads of State and Government, having met at Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, from 20-22 June 2012, resolve to work together for a prosperous, secure and sustainable future for our people and our planet.

2. We reaffirm our determination to free humanity from hunger and want through the eradication of all forms of poverty and strive for societies which are just, equitable and inclusive, for economic stability and growth that benefits all.

3. We are committed to making every effort to accelerate progress in achieving the internationally agreed development goals, including the Millennium Development Goals by 2015, thus improving the lives of the poorest people.

4. We are also committed to enhancing cooperation and addressing the ongoing and emerging issues in ways which will enhance opportunities for all, be centred on human development while preserving and protecting the life support system of our common home, our shared planet.

5. We urge bold and decisive action on the objective and themes for the conference. We renew our commitment to sustainable development and express our determination to pursue the green economy in the context of sustainable development and poverty eradication. We further affirm our resolve to strengthen the institutional framework for sustainable development. Taken together our actions should fill the implementation gaps and achieve greater integration among the three pillars of sustainable development ? the economic, the social and the environmental.

http://www.uncsd2012.org/futurewewant.html
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[Did you note the goal to strengthen the "institutional framework" and the "three pillars" requiring integration - economic, social, and environmental."]
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1) The final "Report of the United Nations Conference on Sustainable Development," Rio de Janeiro, Brazil 20–22 June 2012.

See the 13 points listed in "The Outcome We Want" (Page 1)
http://www.uncsd2012.org/content/documents/814UNCSD%20REPORT...

2) The United Nations General Assembly Committee report: "Implementation of Agenda 21, the Programme for the Further
Implementation of Agenda 21 and the outcomes of the World
Summit on Sustainable Development and of the United Nations
Conference on Sustainable Development"
http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/C.2/67/L.4...

NOTE: Both Agenda 21 reports - as well as additional, related reports, resolutions, etc. - can be accessed from the U.N. website page "Sustainable Development Knowledge Platform"
http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/

P.S. Look *way* at the top to see how this is categorized: UN Home | DESA | UN Economic and Social Development. In case you're wondering, "DESA" stands for Department of ECONOMIC and SOCIAL affairs.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Agenda 21 and our children

When I get a chance to put together my thoughts on the subject, I want to post about how the U.N. is using our children to further Agenda 21, through the Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts and other youth organizations. I'm a girl scout leader, and I think it is an excellent organization, or it was, but it has been completely and blatantly co-opted by the U.N. I am beyond upset about it.

Re: The UN/Agenda 21 and our children

Yes, freedomroad, I hope you will post on that! As per a comment above, the UN has its tentacles EVERYWHERE.

I became aware of the Boy Scout issue when an acquaintance said her teenage son was working on his Eagle badge (I think it was). I don't know what I had it mind (something re debris huts? observation skills? animal behavior/tracking?...), but not this: a computer programming project working w/the library to cut down on paper use. My own firsthand knowledge re schools and environmental propaganda was in so-called teacher training. It made me angry to see all the *negative* proselytizing re pollution and endangered species that children were being subjected to.

The environmental agenda begins early. "Your Planet Needs You Now!" is part of a lesson plan on the EPA's web page for teachers, a "One Stop Shopping" site of lesson plans and activities for grades K-12. Check it out. http://www.epa.gov/students/teachers.html Think they missed any topics?! (In one K-8 lesson plan, the game of tag had become a way to learn about the health effects of exposure to lead.) They're even programming children to be "Energy Star" product consumers. Related to this *K-8* topic, you won't believe the vocabulary list. Hit the RH forward arrow, then click on "Word Bank." http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=kids.kids_index

Googling "Environment Lesson Plan Kindergarten" turned up some treasures. Unrelated to the EPA, here is an excerpt from one Kindergarten lesson plan titled "Our Class, Our Earth." In these directions for teachers, three "key" words were in bold. Not that they're already programming them to be good comrades or anything!

"Ask the students whether they cooperated with one another while picking up the trash in the classroom. Then ask if they can think of areas around the school that can *benefit* from their *cooperative* efforts for the *common good.*

This is all a very serious topic, so I'm sorry I'm laughing right now, but I can't help it. It's really not funny! Unrelated to the agenda, per se, as with the example above, it's pathetic that educators would be so ignorant of the concept of "developmentally-appropriate curriculum." You see, among the objectives of this particular lesson, it says "the learner will be able to define the word... philanthropy.

Here are a few photos to put into perspective just who these learners of the definition of "philanthropy" might be:
- https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSXDloe...
- https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTUi74p...
- https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTaN4uL...

I look forward to that post!

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

I'm not an environmentalist

In 1978 I was on the cover of the New Orleans Times Piccayune, Sunday Magazine, Dixie Roto 17 April. They titled me, "The Conservationist's Dreamgirl". I didn't drive a car until I was 30. Anyways, I always considered the clean up the beach, park, campus, as a conservation project.. not environment. I thought about getting into conservation when I was attending University Louisiana, but they were not teaching conservation, they had begun teacing Environmental Science.. I found out in one class it was not for me. I wanted to clean up the messes we have made in all the years of war.. thought way back them that converting the military from tossing from to cleaning up the mess they make.. but it seems environmentalists have different ideas.. so I was never really compatible to many of the groups.. though I continued to adopt campgrounds, section of hwy to clean up, and sometimes, now help others who are organizing.

This area is heavily under the influence of UN. A lot of old hippies fell for the rage against the corporations.. so now all we have is government going a green as they can.. check out this place, Real Goods, since 1973.. notice on the right side of the picture.. see all those solar panels? The electric company pays Real Goods to exist because when they built, they signed a contract with the electric company, that the company would buy electricy the panels produced.. many people satrted going solar to get in on the deal.. http://shop.realgoods.com/

I wonder.. how many cocoa trees do I need to grow to sustain my chocolate habit?

You, me, John Lennon, Patti Smith, Einstein, Elvis

Costello... for one reason or another, many people didn't drive until late in life or at all. :) (A few are mentioned here. http://www.shoppingdetox.com/2012/05/jour-129-famous-people-...)

Whether called conservation or environmentalism, I think it's great that you've been involved in helping to clean up your area. I imagine, Granger, that it wasn't just on Earth Day, either. Actually, though, I'm sorry that EARTH DAY *replaced* ARBOR DAY. There was/is room for both. Earth Day is associated with black plastic garbage bags and rubber gloves and garbage, cleaning up the mistakes of the past. Arbor Day was all about developing an appreciation for - and fostering the planting of - trees, something "positive" and looking to the future.

On Arbor Day back in the 60's at my elementary school, students would go outside to watch the custodians plant a sapling on the school grounds. We'd stand around them and sing "Trees."

TREES
by Joyce Kilmer

I think that I shall never see
A poem as lovely as a tree.

A tree whose hungry mouth is prest
Against the earth's sweet flowing breast;

A tree that looks at God all day,
And lifts her leafy arms to pray;

A tree that may in Summer wear
A nest of robins in her hair;

Upon whose bosom snow has lain;
Who intimately lives with rain.

Poems are made by fools like me,
But only God can make a tree.

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(Many people recorded the song. Here's just one, by The Platters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XR7UuwKOTk)

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Last Arbor Day

I bought a French Prune Tree. Most of the Nurseys have Arbor Day deals, "$10.00 off bare root trees and other deals. I believe it's sponsored by the Arbor Day Foundation http://www.arborday.org/shopping/memberships/memberships.cfm

E. E. Cummings (1894 - 1962)

When God Lets My Body Be

when god lets my body be

from each brave eye shall sprout a tree
fruit that dangles therefrom

the purpled world will dance upon
between my lips which did sing

a rose shall beget the spring
that maidens whom passion wastes

will lay between their little breasts
my strong fingers beneath the snow

into strenuous birds shall go
my love walking in the grass

their wings will touch with her face
and all the while shall my heart be
with the bulge and nuzzle of the sea

I love The Arbor Day Foundation

Glad it's still celebrated at least commercially if no more in schools. Hope the tree is doing well. :)

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

When I was stationed..

in S. Korea in the 70's, the whole country would shut down on 'Shik Mo Gil' (Tree planting day) so virtually everyone could plant trees. They did this on their own and didn't need the UN to tell them how to do it.
http://www.homestaykorea.com/?document_srl=25488
and (unrelated LOL);
http://www.heritagedaily.com/2012/12/lair-of-king-tongmyongs...
Sorry, couldn't help myself!

That's so nice. If we only

treated Arbor Day like that here in America. Well, since the left remains crazy about the idea of multi-culturalism (in spite of its failure both here and in Europe), if they're not interested to celebrate the (140-year-old) American tradition of Arbor Day, perhaps they'd be interested to honor the Korean holiday of Shik Mo Gil!

More unicorns?! But, unrelated, you say?
- This Day in History - April 10
http://www.mnn.com/home-blog/mnn-earth-days/blogs/april-10
- Arbor Day Books for Children
http://www.apples4theteacher.com/holidays/arbor-day/kids-boo...

Btw, WalterKavanaugh, on an unrelated topic (the Republican Party's disdain for liberty folks and tea party types), I have reason to believe you might want to check out this post I *just* came across: http://www.dailypaul.com/266055/staying-in-the-republican-pa... :)

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Dang it!

He beat me to it. I guess I'll just jump on my Segway and ride to the next segue.
http://drawception.com/pub/panels/2012/5-31/KLnH5k3xnp-14.png

That was a

nice pun there. (I don't know what this says about me, but I had to first look up Segway.) Okay, so as to that other post... Republican Party win in 2016? Like it says, I believe *that* like I believe these:
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ1brcY...
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSycmcx...
What a laugh!
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTgLIP9...
As to the party... I left. I have friends who stayed, but I can't see myself going back unless there's valid reason to. P.S. Something like Romney/Ryan's handing out free submarine sandwiches won't do it!
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT4AyeQ...
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRm8huB...
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQarizi...
(Hey, that's what those segwaying unicorns looked like to me!)

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Will this help?

lol Too much.

See, that's what I love about the Daily Paul. A diverse community, we're able to share a wide range of knowledge & opinions reflecting our unique professional expertise and life experiences. More than just political news and current events, you can learn about many issues pertaining to the liberty movement or that might just be of general interest, such as regards the Constitution, the founders, free-market economics, the history of the Federal Reserve, the history of the FDA (also so-called alternative health practices), the UN's Agenda 21, ICLEI, and public-private partnerships, the difference between a horse with a party hat and a unicorn, questions re the 911 Commission Report, issues re the USDA, GMO's, and food freedom, and fascinating videos and articles on world history, American history, science, technology, math... too much to mention. Your reply was a case in point. Thank you. I'll not be making that mistake again!

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

I love Google Images

because I can find a visual response within seconds of a warped thought.
http://www.spaceunicorn.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/unico...

Speaking of warped thoughts,

"Warp and weft threads have two different purposes. Warp threads are a thin and strong foundation. They're traditionally un-dyed wool or linen. In medieval tapestries, weft threads were usually vat-dyed wool yarn. On the finest tapestries wool was sometimes supplemented by more expensive silk or fine metallic (gold and silver) threads. It's important to realize that weft yarn provides all the color to the tapestry!...

The most famous series of tapestries in an American museum is "The Hunt of The Unicorn" at The Cloisters (part of the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York). These seven tapestries depict the sequence of the hunt, ending with the caught unicorn tied up pathetically in a too-small corral... http://www.metmuseum.org/Collections/search-the-collections/...

Probably the most artistically important tapestries in Europe are a series of six called "The Lady and the Unicorn". Each tapestry in this series is said to represent a different sense: taste, hearing, sight, smell, touch, and love. One very interesting thing about these tapestries is that they were discovered bundled-up, hidden, and extensively damaged by rats..." https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQah1xS...

Source: http://www.storyboardtoys.com/gallery/medieval-tapestry-less...

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

I'm not really a Unicorn freak but

https://www.google.com/search?num=10&hl=en&safe=off&site=img...
They are cool.
Today I really feel too somber to make my normal jokes.

Thanks for posting this

I'm happy to hear that Westchester County dropped out. A few weeks ago, when I first learned of Agenda 21 (from a post on the Daily Paul, of course), I checked out the ICLEI website and was relieved that my county, Dutchess, was not listed, nor were any towns/cities in it. After reading this, I googled "Governor Cuomo ICLEI" and found out that 3 towns in Dutchess County have signed the "Climate Smart Communities" pledge -- which is just another name for ICLEI.

I have a question for you about something you wrote

You wrote; 'we do need large tracts of *contiguous* forested land'.
Yet there are more forests in America now than before the Europeans came here! When the Europeans were first starting to come over in the 1600s, it was noted that the forests were like parks - as the Europeans of that day knew them. The natives would burn out the brush in spring and chop down trees to keep spaces clear and prevent the forests from being thickly overgrown. Once the Europeans pushed the natives futher west this practice stopped and the forests were thick with thin trees and terribley overrun with scrub. The enviros Ive come in contact with always take humans out of the enviromental equation when we are here to manage the forests and not leave it up to Gaia as to how they should look and grow. The natives understood forest management and these practices should be restored.
Also, what about in fire prone areas? Shouldn't there be wide breaks in between to prevent an enormous wildfires from happening? It's very difficult to protect towns that are surrounded by fire prone flora. This issue seems to escape those who call for more forested areas. Or do we just get rid of those towns? Shut them up and move them? People have a right to live where they choose and protect their communities how they see fit. All this government interference does no one good. Plus, most envoros I met are exceedingly greedy. Give then a tract of land to leave to Gaia and they'll want a hundred more that encroach on established towns.
Otherwise, you've written a very good post. Admittedly, I have a 'thing' about increasing the wildfire risk.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Re Agenda 21/ICLEI

Thank you for your interest in the topic. I'm not an expert here, but I'll try to answer your questions. Actually, it doesn't appear to me that we disagree on much other than the quantity of trees in the 1600's vs. today. I can't find a source that says there's been an increase. The Appalachian Hardwood Manufacturers, Inc. website has a brief primer on U.S. forests, with a page on "Quantity." (http://www.appalachianwood.org/forestry/quantity.htm) They say that America was once half covered with forest, now a third. Wikipedia's "Deforestation in U.S." says the same.

It's my understanding that upon arrival in America, we plundered forests. But there were then conservation and planting efforts as well as the adoption of so-called sustainable farming practices. As a result, it is true that we now have more forestland vs. a century ago. And I think that's a good thing given the importance of forests re air quality, water tables and water quality, and wildlife, and I'll add, beautification, along with the wood they also provide and, for many, recreation.

However, it's not only the quantity of trees to be taken into account when evaluating the situation, but also the *quality* of forests. The forests that colonists were met with were "old growth" trees. American trees of all types included those that used to be huge. Large, strong trees can better sustain disasters such as hurricanes and fires, as well as better fend off disease. There are also implications to wildlife. In this article, which pertains to Maryland, the section "Colonial Times to the Present" portrays a picture of the 1600's such as you described: http://www.dnr.state.md.us/forests/aghistory.asp Unfortunately, some tree species hit with disease have already died out, such as the chestnut; others are faring rather poorly. See "America's Trees are Dying" - http://www.jayhanson.us/page47.htm

I was aware that native American Indians used fire re forest management. If I recall correctly, I think Tom Wessels (Reading The Forested Landscape) also described that park-like look via pruning and clearing of understory brush. Fresh air helps all living things. :) But to your point, yes, it diminished wildfire risk! Whether or not you're from the Northeast, I really think you'd enjoy the book. It's amazing how resilient trees are, or rather, how resilient they can be when there are healthy forests. Wessels will go into a forest and, from the bark or some other signs, identify *what* a particular tree had survived and *when*. Trees are telling! (Like a detective, he's able to walk into a forest and tell a lot about the history of a place.) I'm aware there is some controversy, but I don't have any problem with controlled burning. (Nor fire lanes.) It appears that controlled burns do remain one of our forest management practices. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_burn

My point about having large tracts of *contiguous* forestland did not pertain to an increase in forests, per se, but *configuration*. Wildlife doesn't adhere to the arbitrary geopolitical boundaries of a town, county, or state! And certain species require large areas in which they can roam. So it is beneficial when areas of forested acreage can be connected. Planning can take this into account. No one said to eliminate towns--- well, maybe the UN has said it! (Did you see that map of the U.S. in the UN's Agenda 21?!) But I don't advocate that. Nor do I advocate forcing anyone off his property; I'm against eminent domain. But where land is available, yes, it could be bought by local governments to be planted and preserved. I don't have the book handy, so I forget how it was accomplished in New England. But it wasn't by some overseeing government body's mandate, but rather voluntary cooperation.

What is happening in New York is the creation by Governor Cuomo of these United Nations Agenda 21/ICLEI-inspired appointed regional environmental boards. What I was trying to say, in general, was that there were other ways to deal with environmental issues: first (if government was to be involved), within the framework of the representative government we already have (the more local the better); second, voluntary cooperation; and third, free-market, business solutions. P.S. Free-market means just that. It does not mean public-private partnerships, as per my reply to a comment below.

I agree with you that some environmentalists do take humans out of the equation, and that's wrong. Yet, in the past, I've been chagrined to see certain tv personalities (like Sean Hannity) mock issues re endangered species, when they don't have an understanding of how plants, animals, and humans are interrelated. Furthermore, anomalies in certain "bellwether" species, such as gross anomalies seen now in frogs, what are left of them (not that they are only specie in which such things can be observed) need to be seen for what it is: the specie's disappearance or malformations should serve as a warning that nature is out of balance. Unless we heed the warning, sooner or later it will be the lives and sustenance of human beings endangered. Maintaining the balance is really the key here, with the health and well being of human beings our top priority.

Again, thanks for your comment.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Behind the Green Mask, baby!

Great post! Thank you. I'll take the ball and run with it.

Yes, that's what is so unfortunate about this stuff. Environmentalism IS important. We DO need to do more to protect our natural environment, of which we are a part. I totally agree with your points. Free market is key! (Heck, if we hadn't had our technological innovation and development [in the free market] per efficient and clean means of transportation completely sabotaged / suppressed by big oil over the last century... who knows how well-balanced humanity and nature would be?)

The rights of the individual are paramount, as those rights = good for the whole / collective, perhaps ironically (Which is precisely what these stupid commie sh*ts fail to understand.... but they are control freaks anyway and probably just want to get off on totalitarianism.)

But ICLEI is not only a front for eventual fascist socialism but also for corporate greed; corporate developer profiteering; corporate and government land grabs; deliberate destruction of the American family farm and of food independence (or independence, period); and is meant to serve the bankster elite agenda: that clandestine desire to install global government; erase national and citizen sovereignty; kill off a large portion of the population; herd us into small living quarters; force sterilization; etc.

Arrogant sociopaths at the helm of this, as you know! (LOL! What's new?!)

What would the Founders do?

Agenda 21 - ICLEI vis a vis corporations

Thank you so much for your comment, especially: "But ICLEI is not only a front for eventual fascist socialism but also for corporate greed; corporate developer profiteering; corporate and government land grabs; deliberate destruction of the American family farm and of food independence..."

You better believe it. The land grabs and destruction of family farms are a major concern to me. And I didn't mention it (where to begin, where to end on this subject), but a BIG issue is PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, or PPP's. Like chlorine & ammonia or drugs & alcohol, public-private partnerships are a toxic mix! An integral part of Agenda 21/ICLEI, they thrive because of the AMBIGUITY. They enjoy certain *rights* of a private entity, but not *responsibilities* (to name just one, these quasi-gov't entities get to keep their records private, unable to be accessed via "sunshine" laws).

For anyone unfamiliar, a short tutorial on PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsLD7W-l_FM&feature=youtu.be

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Exactly!

For those lefties who raged against the corporations, this is the ultimate hypocrisy.

The UN has formed NGOs which join with corporations and their foundations to impose these laws onto the local governments using regional planning boards. Certain 'green' companies get all the plum government contracts to then build the railways, roundabouts, bike paths, compact housing, blah blah blah other stuff we don't need or want.

In NH our tea party has a working group that is traveling the state challenging these Delphi'd meetings and letting the public know what is going on. Half the time you will see a handful of people at these so-called public meetings, and the rest are the enablers, and facilitators.

In NH, the Carsey Institute (y'all know who Marcy Carsey was right?) has joined in with the UNH and they are 'stakeholders' who push this crap... they also train facilitators to attend meetings and lead people into thinking they came up with the ideas they already had in their plans.

We had a few try to have private meetings but we exposed them and now that's not happening as much anymore.

We appreciate anyone who is attempting to educated the masses on this.

In NH it will be imperative to attend town meetings in the spring as this is where they 'vote' on planning issue...

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
Ron Paul 2008 Consultant
GOP Woman of the Year 2009
Founder NH Tea Party Coalition (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FAKE 2009 GROUP)
Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers