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Rand's national favorability rating with Republican voters is +31, compared to -21 for Ron in 2011




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And... so?

Not sure if this is supposed to be a pro-Rand or pro-Ron post because it's definitely comparing the two.

In that case I side with Ron, regardless what the herd says. And until Michael comes out and says this site is no longer the Daily [Ron] Paul, but the Daily [Rand] Paul I will continue to stick around and support Ron Paul.

Yikes!

Wow, I'm honestly suprised by how low Rand's number are compared to the other people on the list, considering his attempts at branding.

And while I understand people want to be optimistic, it's not very realistic to use the -21% as a comparison, since that was taken in the build up to the primaries, when everyone had "unfavorable" opinions towards all candidates except the one or two candidates they themselves supported. For an example in the old poll, Mitt Romney had -9% approval, and in the new poll Huckabee has like +58%. If you think Huckabee, in the middle of the battle in late 2011 would have had a friggin +58% or that Ryan would have +59%, then you don't understand how the polls work. Even if one of them WERE that insanely popular (and would therefore be heading towards a truly massive landslide victory), then the other candidate WOULDN'T get the high "approval" rating, because people don't want to raise the stats of the competitor in the heat of the campaign when the polling people call.

"Wow, I'm honestly suprised

"Wow, I'm honestly suprised by how low Rand's number are compared to the other people on the list, considering his attempts at branding."

The 22% of people who had an unfavorable opinion of Rand were probably just confused and thought the pollster said "Ron Paul."

Mind gymnastics

You're so eager to defend Rand in every aspect that anything negative, regardless of its validity, you spin in a way that seems positive.

Idol worshipper.

That's really ironic, because

That's really ironic, because my score of favorability is: Ron Paul +31. Rand Paul -21.

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

I'm genuinely curious as to why

everybody's talking about Rand at the moment. It feels like it was just a couple of weeks ago that Ron hinted at a 2016 run, yet a large portion of threads have been made as of late which completely ignore Ron and already treat Rand like a savior.

Naturally I don't bash anyone who thinks that Ron was joking about 2016, but I can't help but feel that something of a psyop is going on, to try and shut out Ron in 2016.

Ron Paul 2016

Ron Paul

I would switch back from Rand to Ron should he run again. I'd do it no questions asked. That said, Rand is the best shot we have if he doesn't. Rand with Ron Pauls endorsement will be a powerful contender for POTUS.. Think about that! We need to start focusing on winning elections before people start dropping out of this movement. Attention spans are short..Look at how many have already left this forum for example..We need somebody that will take us forward. I don't see anybody that can do that on the level that Ron and Rand can..

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
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I hate to say this, but too

I hate to say this, but too many Americans no longer respect and admire their elders. I personally would have no reservations about Ron running again, but I think many Americans would because they're stupid.

"He's too old." America is guilty of Ageism. We are a youth driven culture, and politics are not excluded....unfortunately. It's sad, but it is our own reality. When babyboomers in their mid 60's say Ron Paul is, "too old," you know the gig is over.

When people in their 50's start saying the Rolling Stones should call it a day, well...hate to say it, but I do not think Americans will ever elect a presidential candidate over the age of 70 ever again.

Youth is King in America, and Rand Paul can tame it.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

One shouldn't let another person's ignorance chain them down.

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Ron Paul 2016

Top down mentality?

Top down mentality?

You're trying to sway us

Using the opinions of the well-groomed sheep?

If anything this is a bad indication. Main-stream republicans are a cancer.

"There are people here that

"There are people here that would say its a bad thing that the mainstream likes Rand. If we follow that logic we will never see anybody from our camp in office."

Posted by "unblinded."

Idiotic thinking

I'm sorry, but if the candidate that the mainstream Republicans like doesn't have strict principles for liberty, sound money, civil rights, and non-interventionist foreign policy then I could give a damn whether or not we ever "see anybody from our camp in office."

I have strong convictions and I'm not going to loosen them in order to compromise.

Maybe enough people will complain about your massive amount of Rand-circlejerk threads that you'll get a temporary ban and I won't have to see drek like this 5 times a day on the DP.

There are people here that

There are people here that would say its a bad thing that the mainstream likes Rand. If we follow that logic we will never see anybody from our camp in office.

A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.

Rand Paul at the 2012 RNC -

Rand Paul at the 2012 RNC - "You did build that!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM6UFzQqVY8

Yes, he did have to kiss Romney's ring in order to get such an opportunity...but I think it was well worth it.

Rand's, "You DID build that," speech still sticks out in my mind and I think will be remembered by many conservative republicans in 2016.

Rand Paul said it. Nobody else did.

"You did build that."

That could very well be his motto in 2016.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

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My mainstream GOP parents love Rand Paul.

He's on Hannity, so he must be OK, as far as they're concerned.

People like my folks are the target of all of Rand Paul's strategy, and it's working like a charm. They will be glad to vote for him in 2016.

"Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid." - Ronald Reagan

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Likewise

most of the people i know who are staunch repubs show a fav position towards Rand.

"He's on Hannity, so he must

"He's on Hannity, so he must be OK, as far as they're concerned."

Yep, which is why all of the people who were complaining about Rand going on Hannity's show to endorse Romney simply don't understand Rand's strategy.

Did Rand send you a memo letting you in on his

strategy?

You people don't see any danger in making assumption about someone who, if he were anyone else, would be pegged as a neocon.

Lol brilliant. I can't wait for the day that this blows up in your face.. the sad thing is.. this is my liberty too and you bitches are being VERY irresponsible with yours which effects mine at this level.

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How can you "peg someone as a

How can you "peg someone as a neocon" who opposed the Iraq War, was the only U.S Senator who voted against a resolution calling for war with Iran, and was one of only six Senators to vote against a no fly zone in Syria?

You keep bringing that up like it means something

Talk is cheap.. He would have opposed the war with Iraq.. Was that war before he was a senator? I think so.

Yes maybe he called for a resolution against a war with Iran but he has no problem causing hardships on the people otherwise no?

Alexander (R-TN)
DeMint (R-SC)
Durbin (D-IL)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Lee (R-UT)
Paul (R-KY)

So are all of these people Liberty candidates too now?

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I would say that Demint and

I would say that Demint and Lee are both liberty candidates.

Wait a minute.. They should all be since they all opposed

the same thing, no?

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And the main reason why is

And the main reason why is because of Rand Paul's foreign policy positions. His father's political achilles heel was his foreign policy. "I like Ron Paul, but I question his foreign policy."

How many times did we hear that line? It was the ONE thing that held Ron Paul back from being president in my objective opinion. Too many people called Ron an, "isolationist," because of his strict constitutional foreign policy positions that not enough people could comprehend or understand.

Ron Paul got painted into an isolationist corner. I don't think that can happen to Rand.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Obviously that was the case

and yet in 2012 Paul had gained vast support over what he had in 2008; his support swelled so much that the GOP has likely cheated primaries several times just to keep him from winning the national spotlight as a man who is a serious contender, i.e. to stop him from officially winning a state.

I would think that these past years have shown that education can gain a person vastly superior increases in support over changing the message to sound better to the less aware.

Ron Paul 2016

You're absolutely right about

You're absolutely right about that. That's why Rand has basically supported a foreign policy of less intervention overseas, but he's tried to make himself look more "mainstream" by saying that we should "reduce our military presence overseas, not bring all of our troops home immediately." And, those things that make Republican voters like Rand better than Ron are the same things that make many Ron Paul supporters here hate Rand.

He has compromised

Just as Ron Paul said he would compromise with government entitlements.. while he opposed welfare, he was not willing to just drop people off the dole. And the war/military/MIC/support supporting tens of millions of lives... we can't just "stop it now". These folks are addicted and no way ready to go cold turkey.

Wise compromise is a good principle to have.

That's because he looks like

That's because he looks like a neocon.

He's playing the game!

I'll vote for a congressional statesman over a congressional gamer anytime.

There's only one thing that matters: THE CONSTITUTION.

I think Rand Paul wants to

I think Rand Paul wants to get back to the Constitution, just like his father. The only difference is the political path he is taking. It's a different path, but it still leads to the same home.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

I have to disagree.

I have to repectfully disagree. "Preserve, protect, and defend" in the oath does not say "pretend to preserve, protect, and defend."

Besides, the "different path" Rand seems to be taking involves acts against the Constitution. It involves not speaking up for the Constitution and playing the game.

My hope is that Rand will say that he "played the game, but it didn't work," and that now he will vote as a strict Constitutionalist!

Dream on huh? :)