Epic Battle In King County (WA) GOP Ends In Epic Fail - For Us.
Submitted by pawnstorm12 on Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:35Results from the Saturday Dec 8th GOP Organizational Meeting in King County, WASHINGTON are as follows:
EVERY liberty-minded candidate got shut out.
Just like the King County GOP wanted.
God how they hate the Ron Paul people.
Even the coin they used to determine the outcome of a dead-even tie (for State Committeeman) must have been an establishment republican coin, because Matt Dubin (a great Ron Paul supporter and our last hope), lost that too.
Many subtle, little, blink-and-you'll-miss-them tricks were played there.
For example, TEN (10) PCOs were denied entry because they didn't (or couldn't) pay the $20.00 "DONATION" as they called it.
Nice!
Way to "grow and unite" the party King County GOP.
You probably lost 10 PCO's who may have gone home and cut up their republican affiliation cards.
Guess they'll get us out of the party one way or another.
And - how fair was that to the constituents of their precincts who voted for them and expected representation?
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(Stealing honest peoples resources like the thief you are)
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bigmikedude sure was right about you.
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Death cult
Submitted by legalizeliberty on Sun, 11/04/2012 - 19:55. Permalink
Do you want this Liberty Movement turn into a death cult?
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Tom Knock off. Take a break.
Submitted by bigmikedude on Sun, 11/04/2012 - 19:59. Permalink
Last warning.
I'm in a very short mood tonight and you have caused me a shitload of grief that I don't particularly care to deal with tonight.
Stop, get pleasant and respectful of other people's beliefs or you're out of here.
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I should take a break because I am an activist attacked here?
Submitted by legalizeliberty on Sun, 11/04/2012 - 20:09. Permalink
WOW?
Can you explain Mike?
What is it exactly?
I provide information here.
Nothing I posted here in the last few weeks was moved to unpublished!
And yet you have the guts to tell me to have a vacation???
Perhaps you deserve a vacation!
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What do you think you are?
Submitted by bigmikedude on Sun, 11/04/2012 - 20:27. Permalink
Some hero of the world? Horse higher than everyone else's?
You flame people here, call them names, while at the same time hypocritically chastising them for doing the same thing you do constantly, then the next second posting some BS poem of peace. WTF? Dude? One minute the great fighter for liberty, the next minute some nasty, condescending, holier than thou king, spitting hate and vulgar venom at people .
I'm not asking. I'm telling you, to knock off.
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Mike are you blind?
Submitted by legalizeliberty on Sun, 11/04/2012 - 20:32. Permalink
I never ever start flame wars and have NEVER attacked DP member first!
When I get attacked I at times respond..as any human would.
You want me to get abused here on the website you moderate?
Without responding?
What kind of freaking moderating is that?
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Shall I go find all of your
Submitted by bigmikedude on Sun, 11/04/2012 - 20:36. Permalink
unpublished nasty comments? I hate to make a liar out of you in public and wont produce them here, so I can email you the examples if you like.
I'm not playing your damn game tonight. Is that clear enough?
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ban me and all who exchange opinions here
Submitted by legalizeliberty on Sun, 11/04/2012 - 20:59. Permalink
Stalin would approve.
A week ago I posted a post here calling for people DP members to obey MN posting guidelines!!!!
Did you bother to post a comment there?
NO.
Post link for your enjoyment:
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It is the key
Submitted by legalizeliberty on Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:56. Permalink
The mainstream media will report the numbers.
And it will showcase how FRINGE WE ARE IF WE DO NOT UNITE FOR GARY!!!
Anyways I got anough abuse here to quit.
I am out.
Daily Paul is not my home anymore.
It seems like a prison with prison guards shouting at me telling me how I should be.
Bigmikedude jefferson photoshopwis all are slaves here and they tell me what to do while I try to free them from their misery...
f** it.
I go back to making money so I can help myself.
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That's exactly what I am getting at.
Submitted by bigmikedude on Sun, 11/04/2012 - 21:06. Permalink
Your hypocrisy is beyond sickening and causing havoc around here.
You do exactly as you just said you did, and post, telling everyone to mind their P's and Q's like some High Horse Do-Gooder-Ghandi-Saint one second, and then three minutes later you're calling someone a Nazi, or spewing hateful remarks at people, or claiming some crazy shit that you've infiltrated the Illuminati.
Stop while you're ahead.
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feel good "vote"
Submitted by legalizeliberty on Sun, 11/04/2012 - 19:16. Permalink
Makes the enemy showcase how divided and small the Liberty Movement is.
For the day you will feel warm and fuzzy inside.
Guess what.
Ron Paul himself is going to vote for Gary Johnson in his Texas voting booth!
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Tom,
Submitted by bigmikedude on Sun, 11/04/2012 - 19:31. Permalink
Lay off.
You're the idiot dividing the movement with your mind changing crap and attention seeking posts. One day you are Ron Paul, balls to the wall, the next day some new found heroic worship of Gary Johnson, flaming people here with your antics for fun, or something to do on the internet. YOU CAN'T EVEN VOTE IN THIS COUNTRY.
Stop it already. Stop the attention seeking. It's becoming highly annoying. You've been asked. Did you forget that already?
Look at what you have caused me in the Mod Box.
I took down a post calling you out. I did the same for you that I do for anyone else, and here you are, clueless of that, still pushing people's buttons and validating the Mod Box complaints about you.
I can't stand up for you, like I do everyone else when you continue to poke people around here in the eye with this meaningless nonsensical crap.
Lay off.
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Submitted by legalizeliberty on Sun, 11/04/2012 - 20:02. Permalink
Someone (in his place) has to tell the truth to you folks.
Can you explain how you want to grow the Liberty Movement?
I saw ZERO from you and other GJ haters.
You are just floating.
Non-activists!
That you are!
November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
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Why several of your hate filled comments were removed
this morning by mods?
Are you about to be banned?
Good grief -- about time!
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4 links were removed. Links nothing typed by me meaning there was no comments by me. Nice try. Isn't that internet wayback machine just dandy?
November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul
For example, TEN (10) PCOs
For example, TEN (10) PCOs were denied entry because they didn't (or couldn't) pay the $20.00 "DONATION" as they called it.
Hmm. That breaks tax laws I bet.
And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.
Let's call a spade a spade! Ron Paul PCO's failed to show and...
...the Ron Paul leadership failed to impress upon the 200 or so Ron Paul PCO's who did not show up that they could have, and should have, taken every position up for vote in a county larger than 13 states!
Here are the numbers:
Total ~1150 total PCO's
~350 of which are RP PCO's!! That leaves 800 Neocon PCO's.
The total PCO count on the floor was ~447 showing up to vote! If RP PCO's numbered 350 one can readily see why the establishment was running scared prior to the re-organization meeting. Indicators revealed that they likely were expecting to loose!
At the meeting Saturday, the key race for Chair was suddenly contested at the last moment by an additional 'RP' candidate, who had an epiphany the night before that he should run. This possibly blindsided the preparations of the main RP candidate Doug Parris of Reagan Wing fame. Add to this the fact that the speech given by the newcomer to the race tended to place both the Neocon establishment candidate as well as the RP candidate, in a less than favorable light. The result was that the RP candidate looked more radical and the new 'RP' candidate more moderate!
But, the real story of failure was the no-show of Ron Paul 'once-faithful'!
The vote totals tell the sad story...
Neocon and recidivist corrupt rule breaking establishment candidate, Lori Sotello, received 260 votes... only 260 out of her presumed base of 800+! Many of her base were also no shows... no surprise.
The newcomer took 114 votes...
Doug Parris 71 votes.
The total of 185 votes for the two RP candidates does not defeat the Neocon with her 260 votes however.
BUT THE SAD AND ANGRY TRUTH was that between 185 and 200 RP PCO's failed to show up!!!
If most of them had shown up to the fight, and planned on just voting NO to tyranny like Dr. Paul has been doing, alone, for 30 years, they would not only have gained the big prize of King County Chair, but likely every other position of the MANY elected officers and state committee positions in the several legislative districts of that huge county! This could have impacted the future activities of many other counties in Washington!
There was talk of defeatists among the ranks who discouraged attempts to push the troops to show up, saying it was dishonest to tell the troops 'they can win', since the establishment presumably had such a large advantage in numbers!
You have educated patriots on Ron Paul, issues, and the process to some degree, but apparently not the sacrifice and commitment in the face of daunting odds... always expecting miracles though voting alone! That needs help!
The establishment was a far larger 'no show', as they usually are! But where the RP patriots were once known for 'you don't know unless you show' mentality, and far exceeded the percentages of the establishment when showing up in the past, this time the Ron Paul patriots were 'NO SHOWS'!
That is unconscionable! It is unlike our 'President Paul' who showed up more times alone to vote no, than all congressmen in history!
'You will know only when you show!'
Now it is time you went out into the highways and byways and talked to the people who are sitting depressed behind their closed house doors... take the issues to them. Light a brushfire for freedom my friends!
Make a humble Constitutional free America rise far above party, and all of America will join your party, name it what you will!
where are you getting your numbers?
I'm asking in all sincerity. I did my own tabulation of the PCO results from the King County elections website and found 180 PCOs total and 42 non-establishment-endorsed PCOs. Why are my numbers so much smaller than yours?
http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2674448
I like facts so please let me know where one gets the right info.
I must submit...
I was at this meeting, and also at the meeting in Snohomish the previous week, and we did not have the numbers.
Yeah, the GOP is corrupt, they suck, and deserve to go the way of the Whigs.
But to be honest, our numbers were lacking.
The sad part is that in BOTH meetings, we were not "hopelessly outnumbered". That's the sad part. In Snohomish if we had just a few ore people, we could have had a vote for an honest an open count instead of KCGOP minions counting ballots in some "secret room" somewhere.
Looking at the vote counts in King County, the Sotelo faction did not have as much a majority as you could expect. In fact their majority was slim enough to scare them.
So, while we have to wrestle with the fact that the Obamanoids are a cult of sorts, I am seeing evidence that the Ron Paul movement is a bit cultish too, since his retirement and the presidential run being in our past has certainly kept his supporters from showing up.
I was there, because I have been supporting Ron Paul's IDEALS since 1999. The people who were with me are the die-hards - people who have stood up for liberty before MOST of the RP "fans" even knew who he was. Back in 2007 we were making "Ron Paul 2008" bumper stickers out of paper and taping them into the back windows of our cars, or writing with wax "Who is Ron Paul" on those windows (also "Google Ron Paul").
So there is no doubt the GOP is corrupt, but the RP "fans" sat this one out too. So much for liberty. I can understand how is seems there is no "political solution" and I feel that way too, but total warfare is fought on every front, and this was one front from which our soldiers deserted.
WE WERE NOT HOPELESSLY OUTNUMBERED
Our people pussed out and failed to show up.
Had they shown up we would have won.
JSBach - Are you here in Washington State?
Were you there last Saturday at that fiasco?
I'm in the 11th Legislative district - 9th Congressional.
If they had let those 10 PCOs in the door we would have won at least ONE position for a liberty candidate.
But they know all the tricks.
I guess you just have to play their game, but I'm tired of doing that.
I'm close to washing my hands of any political party.
"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul
Grounds for legal action!
To prevent access of your PCO's to the organization meeting would be interfering with state law!
The law requires the PCO to meet, choose chair and committee persons, and in so doing, organize the party once again. This is not regulated by any party since the party ceases to exist in it's structure and it's officers, on December 1st!
On December 1st the PCO is the new party! No one else has ANY authority in law! Only the PCO's can meet and perform what the law requires of them.
For anyone to impose sanctions, fines, duties, taxes, or any other restriction, under any color of law or private control, would be an obstruction of the law. It is defrauding the individual PCO of his money, and it is defrauding the people of the state of Washington by virtue of any particular person(s) impeding the process the law requires!
A writ of mandamus, declaratory relief, or injunction, depending upon the facts and need, could be used to declare the outcome void and force a new meeting of PCO's.
You have proof of violation, and you have proof of damage!
First: At least ten (10) PCO's were blocked entry by the attempted fraud of extorting money from them! That is a true statement of fact.
Second: One election involved the State Committeeman from King County, which ended up a tie, your candidate losing by a coin toss. That is also a true statement of fact.
It would have been better if the PCO's who were defrauded and the PCO's who were impeded, should each have called 911 at the time of the crime! Nevertheless, it is a violation of state law and demands redress in court, then remedies appropriate to the proper fulfillment of law.
A 'retake' on the re-organization meeting would likely hurt the establishment in their greater number of no shows, and help liberty in a greater number of shows... but only if liberty has learned her lesson the first time around last weekend!
Unless you can achieve 100% show up, you are spitting in the wind to pursue it further!
Ron Paul would have been a 100% show!
He was never a no-show!
Tell your PCO's this! Then get to work on throwing out the results!
You will lose in court.
The exec board is the board of directors of a corporation.
The members are shareholders.
Courts will view it as a shareholder fight as they have done so over and over and over and over and over and over.
Stop it.
The solution is SHOW UP OR LOSE.
Our people either didn't show up or were unprepared in advance, SO WE LOST.
Learn the lesson or continue losing.
I agree - a call to 911 would have been appropriate.
AND I reiterate - A great liberty candidate (Matt Dubin), LOST by a COIN TOSS. I believe he would have won by 10 votes if thise PCOs had been allowed in.
Now you could say, "just pay the fee, play their game and fight from within."
But I fully understand these 10 PCO's principled stand and I even gave a speech supporting them later in the meeting.
Perhaps a lawsuit is in order making that meeting null and void.
Then a new KC-GOP organization meeting should take place - minus the $20.00 "donation."
"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul
Sue their asses if you can.
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I don't respond to emails or pm's.
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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.
This is the stupidest advice I've ever seen.
Apparently you have never been involved in a civil suit.
The LIKELY OUTCOME if you lose is that you will have to pay your legal costs and fees AND your opponents legal costs and fees and POSSIBLY ALSO liability from a countersuit.
Furthermore, these are PERSONAL LIABILITIES.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? (No, you do not.)
It means they can take your house, your car and garnish your wages and it is only dischargeable via bankruptcy.
So rather than spout off, get productive. Productive means SHOWING UP EARLY AND WITHOUT FAIL AND NOT QUITTING.
That's how you win. Not by suing.
Pipe down sally.
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I don't respond to emails or pm's.
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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.
As your State Committeewoman candidate I do not agree
But as I am exhausted will have to take this topic up tomorrow.
They are scared to death of us.
Who are you blonduxo?
Which district were you running for?
I'm in the 9th and I faked a run so I could speak my mind for 2 minutes.
I'm sure the GOP officials weren't too thrilled with that.
Oh well, they played their games and I played mine.
"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul
If you do not know who I am then I cannot help you
Read the title of the post to which you were replying.
You're telling me we lost
You're telling me we lost because our guys refused to pay $20 bucks?
Come on, that's kinda weak. 20 bucks is like paying cover to get into a lame danceclub in the city. What's the big deal with paying the 20 bucks.
I think that's our people's bad. They let a measly 20 bucks get in the way? I have a hard time believing that : /
You don't do their budgets.
And it is not just twenty bucks, it is traveling and hotels and eating out and funding a campaign - it is twenty MORE bucks, and people DO run out of money.
Ron Paul supports a new 9-11 investigation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH9nOWnp5G0
SO PLAN IN ADVANCE
And ask us here to donate.
I would have.
You are making excuses for LAZY and UNPREPARED people.
You don't know what you are talking about.
In 2008, everyone who caught on to the PCP strategy was encouraged to get a seat, and get themselves delegates to national, to not worry about money there would be chip-ins. So we did. Then RP dropped out, and the chip ins did not get donations, they got ridiculed. If they had come up with the 20 bucks it would have been something else. You DON'T GET IT - they will NOT allow RP supporters to take over their little club. How many times do you have to be hit over the head by these people? Someone compared it to a battered wife syndrome, and I think they are on to something.
Ron Paul supports a new 9-11 investigation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH9nOWnp5G0
Well organized counties WON.
And I PERSONALLY donated several times to people in counties in states outside my own to help them attend.
I don't believe that it was
I don't believe that it was $20 MORE bucks... there's got to be more to this story than that! They must have not invited Ron Paulers to the meeting; or refused entry to the meeting...or something else.
After spending money on gas, hotels, campaign donations,...you're telling me a $20 cover charge blew out the flames of the rEVOLution?
hmmm, : /
I'm telling you I have been BROKE.
I live on a budget. When the money is gone, it is gone. I do not have parents to borrow from, I do not have a big credit line to fall back on. When I am out, I am out. Tell me, had you and I been there, and I had turned to you and said "I don't have it." Would you have offered to give me the money, or would you LOAN me the money? Because I cannot afford to borrow money, it screws up my budget. Yes, even twenty dollars.
Ron Paul supports a new 9-11 investigation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH9nOWnp5G0
If we were standing there
If we were standing there outside in the cold and we wanted in...I would have spotted you $20. But that's not important.
I'm sorry about your financial situation. It's a tough position to be in; I'm sorry.
Here's how I see it (as a "Ron Paul" republican and PCO)...
1. On the King County GOP website (before this meeting) they referred to it as "DONATION" which you could either pay online ($15.00) or $20.00 cash at the door.
2. At a GOP district meeting earlier that week it was pointed out (by a Ron Paul supporter running for chairman) that Precinct Committee Officers (PCO's) absolutely did NOT have to pay to be allowed to participate in the upcoming organizational meeting (because they represent republican voters in their precincts WHO VOTED FOR THEM).
3. Ten PCO's didn't (or couldn't) pay the $20.00 at the door and thus were refused entrance.
4. During the reporting of the credentials the chairman brought it to a vote as to whether to allow those PCO's in.
5. After much debate, the vote failed (along establishment GOP lines verses Liberty-members).
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BOTTOM LINE - Everyone assumed (correctly or not) that those 10 PCOs were most likely Ron Paul republicans who stood their ground against the party about the "donation" as the GOP called it.
SO: WE wanted them in and the establishment did NOT.
Since we were outnumbered, we lost the vote, and they were not allowed in.
This DIRECTLY resulted in at least a couple of our good liberty-candidates LOSING to establishment republican candidates.
In fact, as I pointed out above, we got wiped out and gained NO GROUND.
Very disappointing and disheartening.
"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul
So you're rather stand on the principle of $20 and LOSE?!?!?!?
Makes sense.
N O T.
Dumb*sses.
This is a TERRIBLE reason to lose. Cough up the money, win THEN CHANGE THE RULES.
Seriously, whoever told you you didn't have to pay was a moron. NEVER let a few dollars prevent you from a win EVER.
If you don't have the money then PLAN FOR THAT IN ADVANCE AND ASK FOR IT.
I would have gladly donated $20.
yea...it's killing me.
yea...it's killing me. Breaks my heart!
Hearing our fellow warriors were defeated by a piece of paper with a pic of my favorite president. Grrrrrrrr.
Plus $10.00 parking...
It was not about the money.
It was about politics - plain and simple.
"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul