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Homosexuality’s Cause Isn’t Genetics...

...but the Answer Does Lie in the Womb

As long as natural selection has been an accepted scientific theory, homosexuality has been a riddle for scientists.

By Makini Brice | Dec 11, 2012 12:44 PM EST

As long as natural selection has been an accepted scientific theory, homosexuality has been a riddle for scientists. If a person is attracted to people of the same gender, he or she cannot have biological children with their chosen partner. For most of history, before in vitro fertilization, that meant that homosexuality could not be carried out genetically. In addition, because homosexuality makes it more difficult to have biological children, researchers could not understand how it was possible that the trait would survive across genetics. However, scientists believe that they may have cracked the code, and the answer does lie slightly in genetics.

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From my perspective,

a stable percentage (about 3%) is genetic predisposition. The rest is mostly cultural (being hip, being ugly, too many manish women who can claim you raped them, etc) with some percentage being a mental problem (it is a fact that certain mental diseases are accompanied by homosexual drive.)

Do your own study and you

Do your own study and you will find out that most never bonded with their same sex parent. They then live to seek out the love of a same sex person to fill that void.

I have actually noticed this

I have actually noticed this myself. All the gay people I know grew up without a father in their lives. Not that it matters, people should be free to do as they wish. Gay marriage is a great way to bring up the Libertarian principle of getting the gov out of our relationships though.

I do believe there is an agenda propagated by our media and entertainment industry that if you dont fit the hyper-masculine archetype then your are 'gay'. This causes males to both constantly question their sexuality resulting in undue homophobia as well as strive for the violent hyper-masculine personality to reaffirm they are not gay. Those manipulating b@stards are pretty clever...

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

The study has not yet been published.

This teaser article gives no real information about the study. Will have to wait until the study comes out to evaluate the merits.

Ann in Florida

Well it is genetic.

Well it is genetic. Everything is genetic in part. Evolution doesn't work directly, or with purpose.

Part of the reason homosexuality is as prevalent as it is, is due to social suppression. Preferred behavior is suppressed and people have children who might otherwise not. Most of the world rabidly suppresses homosexuality, so these people end up having families and pass on the trait.

So to the culture warriors of the world do understand, homosexuality is as prevalent today because you intolerant jerks have gone to such extents to suppress it.

Does it matter?

I think the argument of born-gay versus turn-gay is a distraction. Unless you're really truly interested in the biology or genetics, which most people don't seem to be, this topic seems to only come up in the political sphere in order to justify different interventionist laws. People want to justify legislation either against gay people or in forcing someone's religion or therapy on another person. I know DP'ers aren't that way, and am sure that was not the intention of the original post here. Just thought I'd share my normal reaction when I hear Dems and Repubs arguing over it. I like to ask them "who cares?" and usually the reason turns out to be that they just wanted support to craft some sort of legislation of their own choosing.

God made them that way

Just read the first chapter of Romans. It is pretty cut and dry.

Homophobics

are just as bad as racists, if not worse. At least racists recognize that people with black skin didn't choose to have black skin.

How old were you when you chose to become attracted to the opposite sex, and how hard would it be for you to choose same sex?

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

Another study... that puts people in groups.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all citizens as long as they respect the rights of others.

From Liberty Defined:

1. Rights belong to individuals, not groups; they derive from our nature and can neither be granted nor taken away by government.

2. All peaceful, voluntary economic and social associations are permitted; consent is the basis of the social and economic order.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

yep, as long as they are of enough and consent...

free people are free to have sex with whomever they want.

like all behavior, homosexuality is a combination of. ..

...genes, environment, and will (people tend to underestimate will).

Anyway, each gay person has a unique combo of these three things.

If genetically dominantly gay, they are gay.

If they were abused as children but genetically straight, they can act gay but, with counseling, become straight.

Think of sexual preference like right/left hand dominance. Thousands (millions?) of lefties were environmentally made to write with their right hands (religion, of course).

And then there's will...yes some people, for whatever reason, will their genetically and environmentally straight selves to be gay...and vice-versa of course.

Will is the gremlin in behavior science cuz you can't quantify it...thus they pretend it doesn't exist. But will is the game changer in life...just look at Ron Paul's will and its affect.

Good, so now I can blame my

Good.. So now I can blame my mother.

I kid, I kid.. but All I do KNOW is one is born gay.

I knew I was gay when I was around 3 to 5 years old?

The little crushes I was getting were not on girls..

For whatever reason.

I was born in 1979 of October and I can remember crushing on some guys who were on TV shows that must have aired in the 1983 and beyond time frame. Of course then the aids epidemic hit and that did wonders for my self-esteem.

Okay, enough of my depressing childhood.

Just like I also KNOW I'm straight.

I never understood those who believe environmental factors cause homosexuality and thus such individuals can be "corrected", if you will excuse the term, under different conditioning. To accept that theory one MUST also accept that they themselves could go the other way given the right circumstances.

I know in my heart of hearts what I'm attracted to and for me that happens to be the opposite sex for as long as I can remember - it's an ingrained part of me. Thus I always pegged those espousing the learned behavior theory as struggling with their own sexual identity, perhaps because their God tells them it's wrong, even though they made them that way.

If men are good, you don't need government; if men are evil or ambivalent, you don't dare have one.

Really?

What other articles has Makini Brice written? Does he push for vaccines and other NWO agendi?

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It is in genetics and scientists have learned it depends on the exact timing after fertilization that makes one fem gay or masc gay.
fem straight or masc straight. And even being gay or straight all together.
They have it down to the TIMING of the genes when they meet.
a little longer justation- one is masc gay.. a little sooner one is fem gay.
same way it does to Heterosexuals.
Some women are tom boys, some straight men are feminine men. This is all by design of how long it takes to turn on those genes.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

Well you are half right

"Homosexuality’s Cause Isn’t Genetics," True

and half wrong:

"but the answer does lie in the womb." False

Congenital defects have been found in the hypothalamus of gays

That is not found in their normal twin.

Livestock managers solve this problem with prenatal nutrition.

Humans can do the same thing.

Rare Earths Forbidden Cures. 1994 Dr Joel Wallach DVM, ND and Ma Lan MD.

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Here's a big piece of the puzzle

The natural genetic tendencies toward homosexuality (which I'm guessing cover a broad spectrum, from "no doubt" to "maybe") are enhanced (and possibly even brought forth from scratch) on purpose, in order to further a eugenics agenda:
http://www.drcurtisduncan.com/2012/08/the-conspiracy-to-femi...

Short article, not convincing

What other preferences have they discovered in the womb? Can they figure out whether or not I will prefer salty to sweet? How far are they going to carry this?

Until they can test fetuses and predict with a high level of accuracy which babies will be gay, I will remain skeptical.

A debate from that past...

While I tend to side with idea that homosexuality for males is found in utero, Ron Paul folks should be dealing with the actual issue of our day.

Down Syndrome is being eliminated through eugenics via testing and abortion with doctors; gay babies are next--even ones that might only be a little gay--it's already happening.

Is this a genocide?

Longtime Internet Poster

Yes. Downs Syndrome because not a genetic disease.

It is a failure to provide raw materials the developing fetus needs to meet genetic potential.

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The reality is...

The reality is that gay men often times try to suppress their desires and conform to society's norms including marring and impregnating a female. Just because a man is gay does not mean that he is incapable of having sexual intercourse with a female and impregnating her.

Mark

Reverse argument

If society embraces gayness, straight males could be adapting to these "norms" and giving a false representation of how prevalent homosexuality is in humans....Lots of high school-age and even younger males, who haven't sorted out their urges yet, are acting pretty funny these days, and they're coincidentally getting a lot of pro-gay messages from the pop media.

Any attempt to boil this down to some simple process or trait is probably BS. Humans think themselves into all kinds of behaviors that have nothing to do with "nature's plan." No reason being gay has to have any causes more mysterious than what compels someone to be a conman, a biker or a cop.

Right

Exactly right.

Exactly

I totally agree.

As long as all are consenting and old enough, free people can...

fuck whoever they want.

If homosexuality is a sin, that's between them and god.

Okay but

Should women be able to contract with doctors for testing and abort potentially gay children?

Longtime Internet Poster

That falls under the abortion debate in general.

People abort for gobs of reasons; homophobia is one of them.

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Amen to that

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“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

My friend used to be gay (USED TO BE)

She said she had an experience with God and this spiritual ball of fire hit her and she felt like she was in heaven but still in her home and everything she used to be as a person left her. She said before she was hit by the fire ball from God she felt as if she was in prison in her own mind and body. Then she had prayed and prayed in Jesus name and this is what happened. She says after several weeks of praying the fireball hit her and changed her. She had this power from heaven engulf her for hours and lingered for two weeks. She didn't feel gay or homo anymore and didn't care for the things she used to do. She got married to opposite sex and lives a happy life. She did say that evil spirits left her and that was the cause of her being gay. Now she lives a Christian life for many years.