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I don't support the troops


That's right, I said it. I don't support the troops! But wait, why stop there?

Not only do I not support the troops,
I don't support the teachers
I don't support the police
I don't support the firefighters
I don't support the labor unions, public or private

Or any other group / mob mentality.

What I do support are the individuals rights to life, liberty, property and the pursuit thereof as well as those individuals that defend my rights to life, liberty, property and the pursuit thereof.

We as a society must reject collective group think at all levels. Our society places so much emphasis on the institutions and not the individuals. Next time I see a sticker or a slogan emploring me to support one of these institutions I'm going to scream. It is crammed down our throats 24-7 and its time we asked why!

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I also think we should address individuals in these groups...

and urge them to protect their families against the present domestic clear and present danger which is tyranny and lawlessness at all levels of government.

nope, not alone..

..but definitely in the minority. indoctrinations a bitch.

Dangers - War? What War?

I dont support the troops

I dont support the troops either. I support a lot of them probably but lots of them are oppressing and murdering innocent people, for which i cant support

I suppport the troops...

...I don't support the wars.

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Have to admit,when I read the heading of your post,I was a bit insulted.But after reading your post,you are 110% correct.Our society does cram group collectivism down your throat.I never really thought about it until now,but will start spreading the word & see if we can get more people to wake up.

See, I just feel bad for them...

Because they (not all, but many) have been duped into believing that they're protecting our freedoms... much like most of America.

If we were actually in a war with a maniacal dictator who was trying to conquer and inslave us, then hell yes, I'd support the troops, if I wasn't (voluntarily) one myself!

Sorry, but you do.

Whether you like it or not (& I DON'T), if you engage in any way in the u.S. economy, part of your property is being soaked up by the Fe'ral Govt. Anybody ever admonishes me to "Support the troooops," and I refer to my paystub, which shows an annoying huge chunk of "support" being extracted against my wishes.

full disclosure, former "troop" myself, discharged USAF@SSgt in 1981.

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the government does, if they

the government does, if they steal my money from me, well thats no longer my money i got it stolen its the governments now, if they decide to use their newly stolen money on wars then thats them supporting it not us. You cant have something stolen from you then given to somebody else and have people claim its the victim who supports and not the theif. The victim didnt give anything away.

Dexter do you follow Nigel Farage

of UKIP in the UK. He's the president of UKIP in the European Union. Good guy, like a British Ron Paul..With the exception he want's everyone to maintain their democracies in Europe..
Down with "Mob Rule"

Just one last kick in the nuts, then a final deathblow

I have heard of him but never followed him

I'll youtube him...thanks

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I would say that UK Independence supports national sovereignty,

Most of all. Though they do strongly object to the fact that the peoples of Europe have had referendums denied and in cases ignored by the EU.

I'd say its more that they think that if such decisions are made it shouldn't be left to a largely un-elected elite. That have banker puppets written all over them...

I think their the best popular party the UK has to offer. In polls they've over taken the Liberal-Democrats the previous third party. who are currently the second party of a coalition government, the lib-dem leader is deputy prime minister. I'd vote for them although I really dislike their stance on increasing military spending but they want out of afghanistan and have spoke out against warmongering against Libya Iran and Syria. Their leader would like to decriminalise all drugs though it's not a policy.

While I'm not a truther or an avid Alex Jones listener he's been on his show a few times, which highlights his difference to most UK politicians. Said some interesting things on there too. That he believes that deep down his struggle with the globalists, and international collectivists is part of the struggle of good Vs evil which made me wonder if he knows more than he can say.

farage is the only limey i'm

farage is the only limey i'm a fan of right now.

I've always loved...

...that shirt of the Grim Reaper, who says, "I support EVERYONE'S troops!"

Whenever Someone Asks Me For A Donation

To support the troops. I say..."I support the troops by supporting the Champion of the Constitution, Dr. Ron Paul.

He says we should mind our own business overseas and bring our troops home to be with their families where they belong."

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All government is simply a criminal terrorist protection racket. You cannot protect people by robbing them at gunpoint and killing them if they don't pay. Privatize everything!

"Show me the government that does not infringe upon anyone's rights, and I will no longer call myself an anarchist." ~Jacob Halbrooks

I suppose then

I suppose then you don't support the Constitution? Remember the opening line of our Constitution? "We The PEOPLE..."

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. You are right to question, to not blindly follow. But not all 'group' think is inherently bad. It's more complex than that.

"Be a listener only, keep within yourself, and endeavor to establish with yourself the habit of silence, especially on politics." -Thomas Jefferson


While we all agree that it would be a good first step to get back to some kind of limitations on government supposedly imposed by the Constitution, some points should be taken into consideration:

1. We the PEOPLE did not write nor ratify the constitution. It was an elitist document from beginning to end.

2. The Bill of Rights is a collection of *amendments* to the Constitution. They are not any part of its primary purpose. Its purpose was to legitimize the use of force and coercion for the collection of revenue for the use of the central government, i.e., tyranny---fundamentally the same tyranny that many (most?) of those committed to liberty had just fought and died to throw off.

3. The Constitution is not among our founding documents. The Declaration of Independence is.

4. The Constitution is not "the baby." As pointed out by Lysander Spooner:

"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist."

On the other hand, I agree that groups of people thinking (and acting) cooperatively might not always be bad. We just don't have any good examples. It is (apparently) complicated. My suggestion is that for it to be good the following aspects must be present, prominent, and practiced:

(a) Group action must be voluntary. (Voluntarism has not been a result of the Constitution. Whether it was intended is a matter of debate.)
(b) Group action must be in the context of self-government. (Self-government is a large topic on its own, but definitely antithetical to the Constitution at some level.)
(c) Group action must be based on "correct" principles in the sense of natural law. (Natural law is another topic worth looking into.)

Pick up "Hologram of Liberty" by Kenneth Royce. The Constitution is really and should be viewed as a hologram of liberty.

We the people

Are individuals and are recognized as such in the constitution under the bill of rights.

There are no rights granted to troops, teachers, firefighters , policemen or unions. Only individual rights for those within that occupation.

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Oh, and I am SO happy RTW passed in Michigan. THAT is a win for the individual.

"Be a listener only, keep within yourself, and endeavor to establish with yourself the habit of silence, especially on politics." -Thomas Jefferson


I agree! However, my point was that 'group think' got us our constitution. 'Group think' got us a document meant to protect the rights we inherently have. We as a group, ratified the document. A group is what? A collection of individuals. Why then does a collection of individuals not have rights, but one person does? We don't lose our inherent rights simply because we are in a group.

"Be a listener only, keep within yourself, and endeavor to establish with yourself the habit of silence, especially on politics." -Thomas Jefferson

Only an individual is granted rights

The constitution does not recognize group rights. That's what makes it so special. I have a responsibility to you and my country to quell this movement of group think. Yes, as individuals we can come to consensus and have a common belief. But if we lose that sense of self as so many have as they identify themselves as a " brotherhood, union, etc... They lose the whole point of what they struggle for in the first place.

The same applies to the states as part of a union. The USA is comprised of individual states and we should never forget the beauty of this decentralization of the group and recognize where the power really lies. Take that down to the individuals of the communities that live in those states.

It's about the individual not the collective.

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The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

I agree

with all that you said here.

"Be a listener only, keep within yourself, and endeavor to establish with yourself the habit of silence, especially on politics." -Thomas Jefferson

Yeah, I'm gathering Dex is

Yeah, I'm gathering Dex is not anti group, just anti Group rights , the group entitlement attitude. Obviously any good that stems from collective action is a positive. Like what could be more important than my half-off Thai food Groupon. This is collectivism at its finest ;-)

Appreciate the discussion

And your thoughts

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I support the ones that shout out RON PAUL

or come over and shake my hand when they see me wearing one of the 5 ron paul t-shirts I wear nearly every day!

And the ones that will actually take the time to listen to me when I try and help them understand what took me WAY TOO LONG to understand.

And the ones that go awol.

and the ones that refuse to kill women, children, or men who are not trying to kill them.

and the ones that have come back from protecting the poppies and are now trying to figure out how to take down the criminals in DC.

But you will never hear me say "I support the troops" anymore than you will see me holding up a US flag (unless its upside down in distress) I hope to be able to support the troops who provide national DEFENSE for this country one day before I die but we have a long road ahead.

For all the flag-waving troop

For all the flag-waving troop supporters...What is it you support the troops doing?

looking forward to the youtube

of you bravely fighting off the firefighters as your house burns.

You don't support murder and

You don't support murder and occupation? Are you sure you're feeling okay today?

I met you upon returning from Viet Nam both times

I met you upon returning from Viet Nam both times. I didn't choose to go. I was ordered to go. All wars and crimes begin at the top and only have the appearance of being our doing.

I do not support the agenda initiated at the top but I certainly do support the troops and I will take them in, feed them and provide a place to stay for a while if necessary. I remember aiming at my brothers on the other side who also didn't ask for their assignment.

I remember you and how you ignorantly rejected me for having to do something I didn't ask to do. When I enlisted the draft was still active.

Never the less, once I was discharged I made the same decision Mr Rogers made (who was a Seal and had killed 24) to never again raise my hand to do harm to another human being. I don't have you to thank for that decision, it is my grace to you.