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24 irrefutable facts about 9/11

THE HARD FACTS ABOUT 9/11 - Published on Dec 11, 2012

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sharkhearted's picture

Posted a new forum about this excellent and DAMNING documentary

....about the Pentagon 9-11 event....complete with LOTS of eyewitness testimony....here:

The people that produced this are PATRIOTS and should win an award for blowing the official government account of what happened that day in Arlington, VA, wide open.

Here is the link:

http://www.dailypaul.com/266510/national-security-alert-the-...

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

fireant's picture

I'm still waiting for you guys to produce some structural

evidence of controlled demolition. Every bit of it clearly and overwhelmingly shows structural failure.
I'm still waiting for a detailed analysis of exactly where demolition charges were placed in the buildings to make them fall as we saw. Surely, prior to making claims with such overarching ramifications, you have done this bit of work? Show us how it was done if you are so sure.
I'm still waiting for an answer of how it is possible for a building to move sideways after having it's underpinnings cut away.

Undo what Wilson did

The structural evidence of controlled demolition is

that there was no structure left. You are asking for a detailed analysis of exactly where the charges were placed from people who are not demolition experts. Why don't you explain to me how fire could have caused a simultaneous failure of an entire structural steel floor resulting in a collapse that produced little to zero structural resistance? A link to that answer will be fine.
And why are you talking about sideways movement when the bldg. collapsed into its footprint?

Talk about overarching ramifications...

You suggest further below that the huge explosions heard in wtc7 that I pointed out to you in the wtc7 explosion video further below could've been caused by airplane parts falling down the elevator shaft.

Those must've been some pretty unique airplane parts to have leaped from the rubble of the twin towers clear up to the top of wtc7, smashing down invisibly thru the penthouse and without a trace.

Sounnds akin to Kennedy's magic bullet.

fireant - CIA disinformation

fireant - CIA disinformation stooge.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

sharkhearted's picture

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~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

When Did You Quit Believing In Santa Claus?

That's the Subject line of an email I wrote and sent out to my email list back in 2009. This was inspired by the 44 story Chinese skyscraper fire in February of that year that I described (below) as having "thoroughly burned into a crinkling cinder. However IT DID NOT COLLAPSE."

I use a stripped down version of this email to answer 9/11 questions on Yahoo Answers (also under Bloatedtoad). The only change here from my original was the addition of the 15 minute Architects & Engineers piece (at the end below). I wanted to share this with you here because this will give you a working knowledge of the basics of the 9/11 story that you can convey easily to others, especially those who are unaware.

Get me in front of a computer with almost anyone and I will flip them from a government 9/11 fairytale believer to a 9/11 truth believer, and that's just using the links below in my Santa Claus email. If time is short (most of the time it is) the most important links are the Kenny Johanemann video (1 minute) and the Larry Silverstein "pull it" video (56 seconds) and your explanation of what these two videos mean. Then if you can get the person to watch the Aaron Russo interview that will tie it all together. The fourth most important link here is the BBC advance report (which proves that a story had already been scripted in the media in advance). Those three or four alone with your guiding insights as they watch is usually enough to cause cognitive dissonance. If you get them to go through all the links I present here it will devastate their world view of what really happened and they will be in a daze for a week or more as they sort out their world view. I know. I've been doing this for three years now. It's time to stop this nonsense that guys with box cutters who are directed by some guy with a turban in a cave in Afghanistan can shut down the greatest country in the world. This will break it open if it reaches enough people. OK, here's the body of my email. Feel free to copy and share:

BEGIN TEXT:

As kids we believed in Santa Claus. Our parents were the gatekeepers of information and, though benign, our environment during that formative time was a controlled one. We were taught to believe in Santa Claus. Initially we accepted all the information that we received at face value. However, as time progressed, we gained bits and pieces of information that led to a cognitive dissonance which, in turn, led us to question our image of Santa Claus. These “bits and pieces” led to questions such as “How could Santa Claus fit through my chimney” or “How does Santa Claus leave gifts in millions of homes during a single night”? Armed with all these bits and pieces of information, we began to get a different picture that caused all the previous illogic that we had learned to come crashing down. This finally led to an epiphany that Santa Claus really isn’t anything like what we had first thought!

There are other things in life that we have always taken for granted as “fact” that later prove to be only an illusion as well. It’s only a matter of getting more information. As in the case of the Santa Claus myth, it is only a matter of time as new evidence unfolds that we are forced to rethink our view on what the truth is.

I want to try an experiment here:

Please watch this first video linked here. It’s only one minute. You’ve read this far into my letter so please take just one small minute and watch this first video. You’re going to be impressed. This is a local news video of a witness named Kenny Johannemann testifying to explosions that happened in the basement of one of the WTC towers. While he is testifying you still see both of the twin towers burning behind him in the background. This was live footage and it's only ONE minute long. Go ahead and watch this here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEuzU3LMgCA
(YouTube Key Words: Johannemann suicide)

Those explosions were from charges that were set up to weaken the structure preparatory to pulling the tower. You say, “wait, this doesn’t fit anything I know, maybe there is some other explanation for those explosions in the basement.” True. This is just one piece of evidence, but it’s a piece of evidence that raises a lot of questions. You didn’t see this on TV either. Does that prick your interest?

The government has promoted a “theory” that maybe the fuel from the jet trickled down the elevator shafts into the basement and subsequently exploded. Could this be? Let’s continue and look at other evidence. Barry Jennings was another witness that got stuck in Building Seven during 9/11. Remember, Building Seven was NEVER hit by a jet. In Barry's case an explosion blew out a stair well below him leaving him hanging and stranded for hours until the fire department got him out. Both the twin towers went down during the time he was stranded. Building Seven, a tall building in it’s own right (47 stories tall), came down at around 5:20 (later that day). Fortunately, he was saved. Watch his account here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbbZE7c3a8Q
(YouTube Key Words: Barry Jennings dead age – more hits when “dead age” excluded)

Again, the explosions he talked about were from charges that were set up to weaken the structure preparatory to pulling down this building. You say, “Hold On! Building Seven housed the FBI and the CIA offices, so who would have access to set up explosives in there? There has got to be another explanation.” True. This is just one piece of evidence which raises more questions. Again, you didn't see Barry’s testimony on TV.

William Rodriguez, head janitor at the towers, was meeting with some people in basement level #1 (the highest of several basement levels) when an explosion from below pushed everyone upwards, causing ceiling tiles to fall and walls to crack. Just as William started to express to others what he thought that explosion might be, an airplane hit and shook the building from above. His story begins at 9:31 here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWXTk5aNAAs
(Google Video Key Words: William Rodriguez Alex Jones)

Now, let’s look for other different kinds of evidence. Steve Jones, a physicist, obtained WTC dust samples from the collapsed WTC towers from people who lived nearby. He analyzed it and found that the dust contained residues of explosives. Steve Jones first became famous when he became known as the “voice of reason” during the Pons / Fleischman "Cold Fusion" debacle of 1989, if you remember that. For a Nuclear Physicist, like Steve Jones, analyzing dust samples for explosive residues is a relatively simple task. It may be similar to asking a PhD mathematician to do arithmetic. He reported his detailed findings here in Boston:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1957490867030316250&...
(Google Video Key Words: Steve Jones Boston)

In this lecture, you recall, he offered other scientists to take parts of his samples in order to analyze the "red chips" that he had recently discovered. That was December 2007. These specks have now, in fact, been confirmed to be unexploded “nanostructured super-thermite” particles. That confirmation is not just a smoking gun IT IS THE GUN. See the article here:

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Scientists_find_active_superth...

The actual paper in its entirety can be found here in PDF form. Be sure to click the “download” link here:

http://www.bentham.org/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.htm?T...

If you get into the actual paper, you learn that the explosives may actually have been sprayed into position like paint or insulation!

Steve Jones’ findings may not fit the stories that you have heard in the news but it does lend support to what Johannemann, Jennings and Rodriguez testified that they saw. You say, “The news media isn’t going to shoot itself in the foot by making something up.” So how do we rectify all the contradictions that we were told in the news? Could Steve Jones and these witnesses be glory-seeking kooks trying to make a name for themselves?

Then take a look at this:

Here is a BBC report announcing the collapse of the Solomon Building (the official name for Building Seven). There is only one problem. The reporter standing at the scene and announcing this didn't realize that, in fact, you could still see Building Seven still standing off to the right. It actually collapsed within about 20 minutes after that live report. Watch it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlL6ewlW6oc
(YouTube Key Words: BBC Solomon slips – you get more hits by excluding “slips”)

How did the BBC know in advance that Building Seven would collapse? The fact that it was announced in advance is strong support that the flow of information on this tragedy was being controlled (but in a more sinister way than how information about Santa Claus was controlled in your life).

Were the people at the BBC the only people privy to this information? Probably not. Larry Silverstein was the leaseholder of Building Seven. In a 2002 PBS documentary he talked about how he discussed the Building Seven situation with the fire department and how the decision was made by that department to "pull" it. Well, there is one problem with his testimony that you may want to consider. It takes about a week to rig a building with explosives before you pull it. So are buildings constructed with built-in explosives just in case they need to be blown up in a hurry? Building Seven went down that same day. Whoops! Watch Larry's testimony from the PBS documentary here in this short clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3E-26oVIIs
(YouTube Key words: PBS Silverstein)

Incidentally, luckily for Larry, he insured his property in the nick of time just six months before September 11th! It was a sweet deal. So who orchestrated this terrorist event anyway? They had to get past the FBI and CIA and prepare at least three buildings for demolition as well as direct the activities of men with box cutters (if they even existed). It’s clear from the evidence presented here so far that at least some of the media was in on this. What else could explain the BBC blunder? They had to control the information to those of us who might not like the idea that a few thousand people had to be killed in order to fulfill some kind of agenda. What’s in it for these people that were “in the know?”

Aaron Russo was a famous movie producer who became best friends with one of the Rockefeller family members (Remember “The Rose” and "Trading Places" starring Eddie Murphy?). This is the same Rockefeller family that is a large shareholder of the Federal Reserve Bank -- a private company that loans money to our government and contributes to our huge national debt. You see the name “Federal Reserve” at the top the dollar bill. Yes, we're talking about THAT Bank! Anyway, the upshot of this friendship was that in the year 2000 (11 months before 9/11) Aaron Russo learned from his Rockefeller buddy that there was going to be an "event". He was told that out of this event the U.S. would go into Afghanistan and look for Bin Laden in Caves and then the U.S. would go into Iraq. His fascinating testimony about this "event" starts at 26:45 here in this interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAaPjqdbgQ
(Google Video Key Words: Aaron Russo Reflections Warnings)

One more thing. In February 2009 a 44 story Chinese skyscraper caught fire and thoroughly burned into a crinkling cinder. However IT DID NOT COLLAPSE. By comparison WTC Building Seven had a few small fires and was never hit by a plane. It DID COLLAPSE. See that article here:

http://www.infowars.com/fire-consumes-wtc-7-size-skyscraper-...
(Google Key Words: China 44 fire consumes)

Now see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw
(YouTube Key Words: architects engineers 911 truth)

Amazingly, all this evidence is only the tip of the iceberg. Each of these are separate independent pieces of evidence from unconnected sources. When taken together they paint a clear picture. You are a juror in a court of law. What would be your verdict? Remember, the word “conspiracy” is not in the dictionary to describe a fiction.

To forward this as a clean readable e-mail (without the accumulation of all the “>” symbols) just highlight all the text and COPY IT FIRST. Then paste it into your new e-mail before sending it on. It works like a charm!

NOTE: I included key words below each link because it’s common for a video to disappear. Usually multiple versions exist and the key words will assist in finding another copy.

-Bloatedtoad

sharkhearted's picture

Cabdriver near Pentagon on 9-11 admits "It was planned."

This is a fascinating interview and presentation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvyQ0vVwjqc

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Ah, yes.

I remember someone posting that here a few years ago, but I'd forgotten much of it except the latter portion. So thanks for posting it here.

Someone had tried to argue that he was just a confused old man. He sure didn't seem too confused when he thought the recorder was off. He is also a pretty strong old man (even with the aid of another) to have lifted that big pole out of his car...without even scratching the hood.

Nice find

a video I put together regarding the pentagon strike:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=a2kAt...!

more vids here:

http://libertypoet.com/911mix/index.html

keep up the good work

sharkhearted's picture

Thanks for your efforts on this video.

Interesting info.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

In support of truthers

Even if the truther debunkers were somehow proven right, it would be winning the battle but not the war and that is where the debunkers are typically pejoratively short-sighted. I can only surmise that those of us truthers who have researched 9/11 and come to our own conclusions did so painstakenly having subsequently endured the nightmarish realization (for me a multi-week sick to my stomach depression) that we cannot look to our government to protect us. In their quest to debunk truthers, the debunkers overlook that the awakening comes with a fierce hunger for the truth. Squelching that hunger via technical data will fail when there is no effort made to address the overarching issue of ulterior motives, historical precedent (false flags), and deleterious effects on society ergo the Patriot Act, NDAA, and costly and unnecessary wars with egregious police state trashing of Constitutional rights. If those of you who decry truthers for being closed to the truth are not willing to acknowledge the greater truth, ie that the government is failing its citizenry and doing so purposefully, then no amount of degrees or credentials after your name arguing in favor of the 9/11 official commission report establishes your superior intellect or moral high ground. Evidence was destroyed, too many questions remain unanswered, and the question of justice being adequately served is an open wound. Truthers are accomplishing something debunkers could never do by helping to awake a public comatose to all the brainwashing and lies we have been told. While it is by far the more discomforting and distressing position vs. accepting the government’s version of the truth, it is a more noble effort than doing nothing.

“Never let it be said that we did nothing, that no one cared”
–Ron Paul
"People wish to be settled, but only as far as they are unsettled is there any hope for them."-- Ralph Waldo Emerson

I fought against the truth at first.

I was trained as an operating engineer in high rises.
I am not so sure that I ever recovered from learning the truth.
I try to help when and where I can. but I find that todays Americans are simply too obtuse.

sadly, I have learned that it is NOT those who oppose me who are my enemy, at least they have an opinion. it is those who are sitting on the fence who will not pay attention.

thank you for paying attention and being here.
peace.

As truth seekers we can

Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number,
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you—
Ye are many—they are few.' -Percy Bysshe Shelley

Thank you for caring and joining me in this discussion.

fireant's picture

It is vitally important to know how it was done.

It's not a matter of "winning" or "de-bunking". This isn't a game.
You didn't mention names, but I do not accept the "de-bunking" label. That is not what I am about.
The implications of there being controlled demolition, missiles, remote controlled planes, or any of the other theories are utterly astounding. It would mean thousands of agency employees have knowingly falsified documents, radar tracks, radio communications, flight recorder data, hundreds of photos. It just goes on and on the amount of falsification required for these theories to be true.
The reason it's so important is because most Americans understand that their neighbors, friends, and relatives are not going to participate in such treason. It is impossible for so much documented evidence to have been falsified.
We will never ever be able to spread our messages of Constitution and Liberty while promoting preposterous theories regarding 911. And it detracts not one iota from your message of the larger issues of rogue elements within.
It is incorrect to pigeonhole the issue into "truthers" and "de-bunkers". You eliminate those of us who simply want the truth. I look, and report fact. An overwhelming abundance of evidence confirms the planes were hi-jacked, flown into the buildings, and resulted in all the destruction. If there was inside involvement, it will be found elsewhere.

Undo what Wilson did

high rises don't work that way.

there are very few people who are allowed unlimited access, I know, I was and still am one of them. me and the elevator guy.
have you ever wondered how people can breath in a building where no one can open a window?
have you ever wondered why there is steam coming off of the roof even in the coldest weather?
probably not.
peace.

fireant's picture

High rises don't work what way?

What are you talking about?

Undo what Wilson did

you are slow or obtuse.

The implications of there being controlled demolition, missiles, remote controlled planes, or any of the other theories are utterly astounding. It would mean thousands of agency employees have knowingly falsified documents, radar tracks, radio communications, flight recorder data, hundreds of photos. It just goes on and on the amount of falsification required for these theories to be true.

fireant's picture

What does that have to do with "how high rises work"?

You are not making any sense.

Undo what Wilson did

you are the one who wrote it.

why are you asking me?

fireant's picture

You make no sense whatsoever.

I'll ask again. What does it have to do with how high rises work. There is no correlation to what I wrote.
"The implications of there being controlled demolition, missiles, remote controlled planes, or any of the other theories are utterly astounding. It would mean thousands of agency employees have knowingly falsified documents, radar tracks, radio communications, flight recorder data, hundreds of photos. It just goes on and on the amount of falsification required for these theories to be true."
Where is the reference to high rises?

Undo what Wilson did

"The implications of there being controlled demolition"

my area of expertise is limited.
what do you want to know about who had access to what and where?
they are called mechanical rooms dweeb. they are off limits to most everyone.
they are on each floor and are especially off limits to people like you.

fireant's picture

I understand now.

You have a poor grasp of the English language.
I wrote,
"The implications of there being controlled demolition, missiles, remote controlled planes, or any of the other theories are utterly astounding. It would mean thousands of agency employees have knowingly falsified documents, radar tracks, radio communications, flight recorder data, hundreds of photos. It just goes on and on the amount of falsification required for these theories to be true."
"Implications" in that context is well defined as the amount of evidence which would have to be falsified, yet you somehow equate it with access to the building? I was clearly not referring in any way with "how" the deed was done.
And you can use dismissive phrases such as "people like you" all you wish. It does not change the fact all structural evidence clearly shows structural failure.

Undo what Wilson did

you are SO smart! and yes! you are right!

"It does not change the fact all structural evidence clearly shows structural failure."
brilliant! high five!

fireant's picture

Bones don't lie.

No getting around it.

Undo what Wilson did

Jefferson's picture

Which

"bones" are you referring to?
The less than 1/2 inch bone fragments found on rooftops surrounding the WTC complex? You don't think that's actually caused by gravitational collapse do you?
https://www.google.com/webhp?source=search_app#hl=en&sugexp=...

sharkhearted's picture

Typical fireant charades.

He (it) takes a fragment of your truth stated...and then twists it.

Ignore him/her/it.

Not worth your time to try and debate nonsense with paid government disinfo agents.

The truth will come out eventually.

IT IS INEVITABLE.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

fireant's picture

That's right folks. Ignore facts. Stay on the plantation

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Undo what Wilson did

sharkhearted's picture

Ahh...better a slave on the plantation....

...who can still think for himself....than with a lunatic in the asylum....ANY DAY.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

You just don't get it

The possibility this was a carefully planned operation with rogue secret agency involvement (MOSSAD, CIA, MAYBE ISI) would have limited their exposure. This rogue element has existed for a long time; nothing new here. The meme propaganda from the moment the planes hit the towers speaks volumes there was an objective. The growing list of witness deaths just adds to the suspicion. You can choose to remain closed to the prospect this was a covert operation, but you cannot so easily rationalize away the eagerness with which evidence was destroyed and shipped out of sight, there was inside trading on put options (still unclaimed), there were Israeli agents caught celebrating with evidence of explosives in their vans (who Zionist Michael Cherthoff let go free). We’re not dealing with ordinary people here with a conscience or scruples about murdering people. It’s a different mindset many people can’t seem to get their arms around. You say “most Americans understand their neighbors, friends, and relatives are not going to participate in such treason.” This indicates to me you just don’t get it, ie these were not people loyal to America at all. Different playbook Americans will never grasp unless they educate themselves on false flags such as USS Liberty. Sorry, but I don’t believe 19 hi-jackers who barely knew how to fly airplanes were able to execute the high speed plane maneuvers that transpired. I do have a science background BTW, UC Berkeley biological sciences, and I am interested in seeing the truth revealed which, of course, should never be construed as a “game” as you put it. Projecting that kind of pejorative MO on my post is an insult to the victims and all of their survivors.