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24 irrefutable facts about 9/11

THE HARD FACTS ABOUT 9/11 - Published on Dec 11, 2012


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fireant's picture

#3 is patently false.

7WTC did not "totally collapse in 6.5 seconds. Video evidence clearly shows the penthouses and core collapsing well prior to the beginning point of that measurement. It was primarily the perimeter walls collapsing in that time frame. When the shell collapse initiated, the building rotated counter clockwise, clearly shown by it's shift to the east, which indicates lower support was not severed, rather, lower support buckled, or folded. If lower support were severed, initial movement would have been straight down and at free fall acceleration.

Undo what Wilson did

Thanks for the link.

Quite an eye opener. Especially the interview with Lloyd the cab driver who basically stated it was a planned event when he thought he was no longer being recorded.

Good, but I get further focusing on 9-12.

They twitch, they spin, but the crimes of 9-12 are undeniable.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:

I'm sorry, I have to jump into this in support of the believers

of the official story. I admit it, I wish I had your faith and trust, it's admiral. I looked away for some time, unwilling to even consider this event was covered up or orchestrated. It's not easy to realize what happened. I would love to have some facts that would refute the architects for 9/11 truth and the numerous anomalies around this event.

sharkhearted's picture

Answer: OPEN...YOUR...EYES

The evidence is all right there...and available to all.

Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

I am a member of....

I am a member of Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth.

Are there any other members here?

Keep in mind that I was thoroughly vetted by A&E for 911 Truth prior to being accepted. My education was verified by the admissions dept of the group prior to me being admitted. The group did not want any uneducated phonies in its ranks, only professional university educated people with backgrounds in math, physics, chemistry, strength of materials, statics, dynamics and metallurgy. These credentials assign orders of magnitude more weight to our assessment of what occurred on 911 than the average person. We are all qualified to be expert witnesses regarding why structures fail. Over 1700 of us agree that the official government conspiracy story cannot be true and we want to set the record straight.

So are any of you also members of A&E for 911 Truth?


Very glad to have you here

I see you've been here over 4 years. I would be interested to read a debate between you and user "fireant" who is skeptical of the "truth movement". (That's not to say that fireant doesn't believe what he writes, btw).

Thank You


Rothbard: "Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."

sharkhearted's picture

I am a member....

But not an AIA architect or PE Engineer....but one, who like the rest of us, is bound to the rules of physics and the scientific method.

Only a child can miss this. Seriously



That is a physical...and metaphysical IMPOSSIBILITY.

The TRUTH will eventually win out. It is like water or air...and you can't stop it!

Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

And Thank You, Too, Chris


Rothbard: "Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."

Thank you.



I'm so tired of lies--

in everything, not just government--

happening everywhere, all the time--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

When it comes to 9-11, are

When it comes to 9-11, is the truth movement wrong for asking questions? Or is the truth movement wrong for not accepting what the government said happened? I think the truth movement should accept that not everyone believes what they believe. Those who accept what happened for what it is just agree to disagree, you are fighting to a stalemate anyway. With many differing opinions about what took place on 9-11, I believe a new investigation should be conducted to put to rest any and all questions. The real problem from a new investigation would be, who would do the investigating? I would consider myself a truther, have changed some peoples minds some not, but I never push and push and push.

Great Job

Keep it in the open. I still can't believe anyone who had seen the "collapse" of the towers could not say to themselves ; do buildings just pulverize and fall to the ground like that? That was surprising to many. ALL GOVERNMENTS are capable of false flags. I don't care if there is disagreement within the 9/11 Truth Movement. All want a new investigation. All evidence possible on both sides needs to be heard.
As for those who oppose your efforts, they are swimming in a river in Egypt.


If there is a conspiracy here

If there is a conspiracy here involved in posting this crap, it is conspiracy to discredit the liberty movement as a bunch of kooks.

ecorob's picture

ahhh, looks like you are in a corner, atkinson...

maybe you might oughta rethink yourself...could you be wrong or is EVERYBODY else wrong?


but the government said, but the tv said, but glenda beck said

what do the facts say, my friend?
quit hiding the facts for the benefit of your "old" belief system that said everything was "ok"

everything is NOT ok and you should wake up and smell the folgers!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Been there done that. Whenever

Been there done that. Whenever I present "facts," the truthers respond that they were faked by the brilliant government conspiracy. For this reason, arguing with truthers, like arguing with birthers, is a total waste of time because no fact will suffice for them.

TwelveOhOne's picture

You too can make problems go away!

Just add the suffix "-ers" to any noun and the people it describes are then the subject of ridicule!

Of course, your debating skills will be laughed at in front of and behind your back, but at least you can feel a sense of satisfaction internally. While your government continues to take away your freedoms, until you have no voice to speak out with. For shame.

I love you. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you.
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Debating skills? How can you

Debating skills? How can you "debate" someone who dismisses every fact that contradicts the "inside job" theory as "just another falsehood created by the grand conspiracy?" It is like nailing jello to the wall.

It may be offensive to some of you

but the subject has affected all of our freedoms since 9/11. That why it is here. I think we can all agree to that. Well, spreading the message of liberty is what this site is about; that is a great thing. However, individuals who have researched this issue should not be treated as outcasts. In this world seeking the truth, any truth, is a full time job. Some of you group all "Truthers" as nut jobs. Think of what Dr. Paul says about treating all as individuals.
If you don't approve of the subject matter as allowable to discuss, you might, either don't participate or learn why it is that the more you learn about 9/11 the more it stinks.


Dr. Paul thinks trutherism is

Dr. Paul thinks trutherism is nonsense. If I one more truther trying to falsely claim that the good doctor agrees with their hogwash, I'm going to hurl. Haven't you guys done enough to discredit our movement without mispresenting Dr. Paul?

Thank you!

I've gotten REALLY sick of coming to this site because of all of these jerks. It seems like the "truthers" are completely taking over this site. They are like a pack of hyenas and seem to be multiplying like rabbits. Don't DARE try to debate the "911 truth" with these goons. They will dog-pile on you and try to drown out your voice.

ecorob's picture

the truthers, my friend, are taking over the understanding...

the WORLDWIDE understanding of what REALLY happened on 911

this paradigm shift that you are witnessing is not a "taking over" of this site, it is, however, an evolution in TRUTH throughout this country...NOT, just here!

you guys that are holding onto the lies of the past (you are few in number)...you need to let go of your anger and realize that you have been lied to (and NOT by us)...we AREN'T lying to you.

Do you think there is a "mass conspiracy" by truthers to lie about what really happened on 911 and "you" must convince everybody of this ludicrous fabrication?

we are called "truthers" for a reason!
because it IS the truth...

very soon, when you guys "wake up" you are going to be VERY mad...just like the rest of us...because you fought so hard to hold on to the lie

the truth shall make you free

Americans were killed/sacrificed on 9/11. They were killed by henry kissinger, dick cheney, donald rumsfeld, and the rest of their "crew".

We will have our justice. You are in the way. Wake your tired, dead arses up, already!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

sharkhearted's picture


Well said, my friend. I could not agree more.

And I am an ex-neocon, to boot.


Turns out....they are wrong...and illusions can only take one so far.

In the end...in a RATIONAL universe....the TRUTH always prevails.


Because it is the TRUTH. Plain and simple.

Arguments? Objections? Disagreements?

I did not think so.

Res ipsa loquitur.

Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

I tried debating them but it

I tried debating them but it is useless. Every time you get them on a mistake, they'll say "that it was all part of the coverup" and you are back to square one. If the truthers were right, everything Paul said about governing ineptitude is dead wrong. Under the truther theory, government is the most efficient and far-seeing institution ever invented!


That is exactly the point I made in another thread.

LOL - look at the dog-pile on the down-votes. These people HATE those that disagree.

I believe

Frank De Martini lost his life that day simply because he never entertained the idea that either one of those buildings would collapse. He was heading up to rescue people after the airplane hit.

Some more you forgot:

25. Truthers have no logic skills
26. Truthers confuse techno-babble with science
27. Truthers will believe any crap that supports their theories
28. Truthers make the Freedom Movement look bad
29. Truthers think Ron Paul believes their theories
30. Truthers abuse anyone that doesn't believe their theories
31. Truthers have simple minds
32. Truthers absolutely refuse any facts that contradict their theories
33. Truthers believe they know the truth because it is in their name
34. Truthers suck
35. I'm sick of Truthers

* Source: me