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24 irrefutable facts about 9/11

THE HARD FACTS ABOUT 9/11 - Published on Dec 11, 2012


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Better to be called a Truther

At least we're not Liars.



This list applies more to believers than truthers.


I'm curious...

What/who do you believe a "Truther" is? go213mph thread's title doesn't have that term in it, nor does the YouTube video.

Feel free to reuse any resources/ideas that I post on the DailyPaul on other networking sites.

What title do you wish?

I used to avoid the term... until I made the mistake of referring to 'you guys' - I was bashed for that. Anyway, I've take so much abuse at the hands of those that 'own The Truth', I've given up civil discourse. In fact, I've been pushed so far, all I feel is contempt for the lot of you.

So, what term would you like? "Those in the Truth Movement"? "Owners of Truth"? Really, I've asked before, but never receive sincere answers. I never considered 'Truther' to be derogatory. (But I do know some do.)

Anyway, I don't know why you asked. I think "A Truther" is someone that believes 9/11 was a false flag attack.... Some think Bush, some think Massad. Hell, a couple 'Owners of Truth' have suggested I was involved.

Some Truthers think that what happened happened ( but at Dick Cheney's orders)... some think the planes where holographs and that the rest was faked. Some think the planes where remote controlled... and that the people flying them (with the remotes) where in building #7.

Some think that high-energy beams where used to 'dustify' the buildings.

You name it, you all own it.

Me? I think what happened really happened (just like Ron Paul does)... the problem was that our government used it to grant incredible power the state. Yes - I have extreme problems with that... but false flag? I don't buy it.

Or, it could be...

Someone who just has questions. If I were only allowed to ask one question and get an answer to it, my question would be:

The airspace over Washington DC is suppose to be the most secure airspace, IN THE WORLD. How then does a commercial airliner cruise into the most secure airspace IN THE WORLD, make a large loop, hit the Pentagon, and there's no response?

I'd start there...

Your question has no scientific aspect

I can't prove or disprove your suspicion there. The government could have let it happen (I personally think they are just incompetent).

I only argue against the bad science in the theories.

You need to replace your

You need to replace your juror's hat with an investigators hat. If every lead required the science you require, how far would an investigation go? How quickly would an investigator be fired for flippantly dismissing, and not following up on that.

Also, do you apply the same standard to the gov' story or the blowback story? Exactly what science have they provided that meets the same standards you demand of the truthers? For now, the question is simply, when presented with evidence from both sides, which is more probable - a passport found in the rubble and an OBL confession tape oooorrr multiple eye witness accounts of hearing explosives, 1700 A&E attesting to the impossibility of jet fuel burning hot enough to take down 2...ahem...3 steel-framed skyscrapers. The choice is yours. But i did notice that the mathematical analysis you cite above makes notta mention of wtc7.

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Why no videos if nothing to hide?

If the government was just incompetent, but everything occurred as they said it did, they would have released the videos of the "plane" going into the Pentagon. No secrets here, correct? Hundreds of witnesses apparently saw it, light posts go down, cars wrecked, yet others report this completely differently than what the 9/11 commission reports. Still, no videos ever released to clear up this mess.

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But you buy false physics?

"but false flag? I don't buy it."

But somehow you seem to be perfectly at ease purchasing faulty physics. What does this say about you?

To denigrate those who seek truth is to promote liars.

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I have argued the physics of it

First - you MUST tell me what faulty physics I am using. I'd LOVE to debate it with you. You won't though. You can't. Physics is on my side.

You guys tend not to use physics... very rare in the Truther Universe... and when they do, it is misapplied.

Here is a full mathematical analysis of the freefall stuff.

Truthers seem to rely more on 'popping noises', 'flashes of light', videos made by unscientific scientists/architects and engineers..., statements like 'buildings don't fall like that' and dozens of other illogical and foolish evidence.

So - yeah... I used to debate against this stuff... I've only gotten abuse in return. You don't want debate.

I've got a few titles in mind

I've got a few titles in mind but I will keep them to myself since beginning to list them will result in large doses of profanity. LOL

I accidently found myself in the middle of one of these trutherfests on another post. Boy oh boy do they come out in droves to pounce on a non-believer. Like I wrote on that thread, they are like a bunch of zombies trying to suck our brains out. It's best just to avoid their nests.

I love the "dustify" part - that was great!

WillinMiami - 2 posts in 5+ years.

Nuff said.

What a dorkfish

Because I mostly READ posts on this site and rarely ever comment, I'm somehow a subversive plant? Is that what you're suggesting?

Click the link below for a picture that was taken in 2007 at a private fund raiser in Ft. Lauderdale (right before the Values Voters debate). I paid something like $250 to get into that fundraiser and then did the same thing to get into a fundraiser just before the Presidency IV debate in Orlando later that year.


And your conclusion is that I'm somehow a fake? What a dorkfish...

Here's a newsflash: I'm pretty darn busy running my company. I don't usually have much time to sit in my mother's basement writing conspiracy theory posts. I originally created an account on this site to follow Ron Paul and his supporters and, for the past 4 or 5 years, have been visiting the site daily (no pun intended) just to read through the latest Ron Paul related stuff. As my first post on this topic stated, I am sick of all of you zombies ruining a good site and making it just another dork hangout. I suspect I'll stop visiting this site completely pretty soon since it's original concept/purpose seems to be going away to be replaced with basement dwellers like yourself.

Yawn -_-

Give it a rest...



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Ask the historians....

Historians will, someday, note the official government (Bush/Cheney/and now Obama) account of the events surrounding 9-11, as the most global and complete and absolute mass false-flag operation and cover-up...there ever was...in the history of this planet.

Historians will, also, note as to how fast people actually awoke from their brainwashing, and were able to, as responsible adults, set upon the nearly impossible course and task...to bring the real perpetrators, cover-up bureaucrats, and especially conspirators...to justice.

It took me 11 years to awake from my slumber.

Excuse me...but where was I, when all this went down? Really!!!

Scratching my head on that one.

Wow. I consider myself a reasonably intelligent and inquisitive person. Yet, I cast my vote in 2004, again, for a president who should, at that point, have been tried for war crimes.

(NOTE: Just like me voting for Bush the second time, those who voted for Obama (not the first, but the second time) last month, must accept the fact that they, too, are participating in war crimes by propping up a president of the "Land of the Free"...who is murdering innocent people at will...as we speak! In other words, another president war criminal!)


How did all of this happen??


Mind control and brainwashing techniques have been experimented with since the 1930s and you can rest assured that the CIA program called MKULTRA did not end in the 70s but continues this day, more advanced than ever.

I am sure these posts of mine will somehow tag the FBI, the CIA, the DIA, and especially the totalitarians over at the NSA....but no matter....they need to understand THIS:

To all of them, I say:

____ you!! You will never ever EVER be able to dissolve Natural Law or Natural Rights.

Can't happen.

That is a physical and metaphysical impossibility.

As for me, the blinders are off now...and the antennae are up.

EYES....WIDE....OPEN....never to shut again.

For justice...and liberty...and peace....and TRUTH....I remain, respectfully yours,

~Christopher M
Norfolk, VA PS take 10 minutes to watch the "24 Hard Facts about 9-11" video below:


Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Congratulations on being...

Congratulations on being "born again" so to speak.

I am VERY curious as to what it was that brought you to reality. Please share the moment of epiphany you experienced so that we may determine if we can use it to help awaken others.



sharkhearted's picture

Interesting question

It was a gradual one...not necessarily a sudden one....but that the government...is not necessarily your 'friend' that could be trusted...but actually your mortal ENEMY.

I first had my run in with the governnment when they were trying to prosecute me about 10 years ago, in relation to an amazing safe drug being used in electronic music events called MDMA.

Although I was a neocon, I quickly became convinced that John Ashcroft, was EVIL. And I joined the National Drug Policy Alliance.

Having to deal with US attorneys and what not...quickly opened my eyes to the tyranny that we taxpayers pay for.

It took me a while to warm up to the fact that the whole system was evil and corrupt....and that I could love to the death my COUNTRY....while at the same time despising my government.

But that is where I am now.

May the truth win out. 9-11 truth included!

Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

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proud to stand...

beside you, sharkhearted!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

sharkhearted's picture

The feeling is mutual, my friend.

All the best,

Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Hear! Hear!

Proud to be with you.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

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You too, my friend.


Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Not irrefutable facts....

The "nanothermite" fact that the video starts with is far from irrefutable. If you look at dust, soot, and paint chips with an electron microscope, you will see all kinds of strange stuff. If the paint is red, it will likely have iron in it from pigment. If the paint has burned, you will likely find spheres under the microscope. There were scientists years ago who claimed to find "nanofossils" in a meteorite that proved life on mars and it was international news. Later, they found out that they just misinterpreted natural minerals under the electron microscope.

Molten steel? That hasn't been proven either. The firefighters saw molten metal, but that doesn't mean it was steel. I was in a town that had burned in a forest fire once. There was a stream of molten metal flowing down a driveway. It was from the aluminum wheels on a car that was burning. Aluminum melts at much lower temperature than steel. Red sparks observed on the building could come from live electrical lines. I've seen a downed power line putting out sparks like you wouldn't believe. Seeing red sparks doesn't prove steel metling from nanothermite.

There are a lot of inconsistancies about the official 9/11 story, but this video has jumbled together some questionable assertions and claimed them as irrefutable facts.

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-C. S. Lewis

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"...all kinds of strange stuff" indeed...passports & visas

"Four of the hijackers' passports have survived in whole or in part. Two were recovered from the crash site of United Airlines flight 93 in Pennsylvania. These are the passports of Ziad Jarrah and Saeed al Ghamdi. One belonged to a hijacker on American Airlines flight 11. This is the passport of Satam al Suqami. A passerby picked it up and gave it to a NYPD detective shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed. A fourth passport was recovered from luggage that did not make it from a Portland flight to Boston on to the connecting flight which was American Airlines flight 11. This is the passport of Abdul Aziz al Omari."

Capt. Jim Ingledue, shift safety officer of the Virginia Beach Fire Dept, said Monday he found amidst the rubble at the Pentagon, two days after 9/11, the perfectly clean and unblemished California ID card of Suzanne Calley, 42, one of the alleged victims killed aboard Flight 77.

"I remember thinking it was highly unusual and strange to find a perfectly intact ID card amidst all that devastation," said Capt. Ingledue, a Pentagon first responder who arrived two days after 9/11 and spent a total of seven days in search and rescue.

In a telephone conversation from Virginia Beach, Capt. Ingledue added the find was "so strange" he kept it in his pocket for an hour instead of immediately turning the evidence over to FBI agents like he was instructed.

I dont even know where to start...

So I won't...You are with out!

The chips were determined not to be paint

Also, the energy release from the chips spiked higher than KNOWN nano-thermite. (5:51)


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Uh huh...and molten aluminum is not incandescent....it is silver

Molten aluminum does not glow incandescent like molten iron or steel.


And your "red sparks seen from a building" is a bunch of nonsense. You can clearly....CLEARLY see liquid metal pouring out of the NE corner perimiter column of the south tower, just seconds before its collapse.

Any admission to the contrary...would automatically tag you as a government disinformation "cognitive infiltration" agent.

Seriously....why are you here? To protect the governments official story? Or to offer your own grass roots alternative analysis?

One or the other...not both.

Don't worry...I am watching you...like a hawk.

Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

You are watching me?

All of my posts here are public. Go ahead and read all of them if you have the time. I am a Ron Paul supporter. If you want to believe I am some kind of government agent, go ahead. If I were, I'd be paid better.

All I was saying is that the paper from Prof. Jones is crap. I have read it. The journal it was published in is crap. The professor is an expert in fusion energy and knows nothing about chemical analysis. If one thing on your list of "irrefutable " facts is questionable, then everything else is called into question.

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

-C. S. Lewis


because you 'say' you're a Ron Paul supporter does not buy you any credibility...

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

I have a PhD in Chemical Engineering

My background does give me some credibility to evaluate some of the assertions made by Prof. Jones. The paper does not prove the existence of nanothermite, nor does it prove the existence of molten metal. The data in the paper do not support the conclusions drawn by Prof. Jones. The journal itself is a very poor one, and Prof. Jones does not have the technical expertise to evaluate the data. The study would not have been published in any serious peer reviewed journal.

If you go back and read my old posts in your vetting of me as a government agent, you will see that I was supportive of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth. The NIST WTC7 study should be published, the video tapes at the Pentagon should be released, debris should have been saved for proper forensic study, etc. There is a lot of secrecy surrounding 9/11 that is strange to say the least. However, I am a scientist and an engineer. I want to see hard data. I understand that the absence of data results in people drawing their own conclusions, but you should at least realize that is what you are doing.

Of course, anyone can log in here and claim to be whatever, so you won't believe me. You already have your mind made up anyway, so proceed to downvote my post into invisibility.

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

-C. S. Lewis